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Santanfara
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 Posted - 09 Aug 2008 : 18:59:49
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kobo, the reason i made the claim that we cannot look at christianity with an islamic lense, is purely base of intellectual discuss. 1. the christians don't believe in our scripture, so any arguement you forwarded from your religous stand point will be unacceptable to them.
2. the christain bible itself has the answers to all you are arguing about.
3. jesus was ask what is the first of the commandment, and he answered, "our lord God is one God, this must be believe with all one's heart. and that there should never be made any liken images of God" this statements are in the bible.
the oneness of God is emphasis by the old testament and some verses of the new testatment. if christain add jesus and the holy ghost to the God-head, the bible refutes it all.
also, christainity took root after the ascention of jesus. the church wasn't started by jesus.
most of what we are calling christianity is not known to jesus's himself and his desciples.
just like some muslims are inventing their own methods of communicating with God thus avoiding the prophetic methods. the christmas was not known by jesus neither his desciples. the current methods of christain prayer were all after jesus left. jesus use to bow down in prayer, but do we see christains doing that? no. so the bible itself refute many present day dietification of christ.
as a muslim, we can use the quran to tell our christian brothers that, God has clarify all the false teachings attributed to jesus, but that will only be a compliment. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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kayjatta
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Posted - 09 Aug 2008 : 19:32:10
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Thanks santafara for those insightful commentaries.
Kobo your case is hereby dismissed for lack of sufficient evidence to prosecute Christianity. Therefore, let us go back to what the Quran taught us, "you onto your religion and I onto mine". In this way peace can be maintained in the world... |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 11 Aug 2008 : 15:11:31
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Originally posted by kayjatta
Thanks santafara for those insightful commentaries.
Kobo your case is hereby dismissed for lack of sufficient evidence to prosecute Christianity. Therefore, let us go back to what the Quran taught us, "you onto your religion and I onto mine". In this way peace can be maintained in the world...
Who is here to prosecute christianity? Aren't we examining facts about the claims of Jesus (P.B.U.H) to be God? These claims are at the hearth of orthodox christianity and 'Rock' of catholism? However other faiths; some christians and Jehovah witness have diferent perception on these claims? Therefore; anyone who has something to share should participate in the discussion 
What is wrong with you Kayjatta? Review all your statements and assess many in-consistencies to authenticate these claims of Jesus (P.B.U.H) to be God? You have made your position clear but do you think you can form opinions for others? You appear to be more of hypocrite than an intellectual? In your own words as examples;
i) "Jesus is presented to us by himself and others to have raised the dead, cure the sick, and forgive our sins. These and other claims and representaions of Jesus are what depicts him as God, unlike Muhammad or any other prophet." If you are more a muslim than christian as quoted below; you should have been taught to understand that Muhamad (P.B.U.H) was a HUMBLE SLAVE OF GOD & "Ya baani Adam! Prophet Muhamad (P.B.U.H) also taught us to belief in all the prophets including Abraham, Moses, Jesus and millions of righteous persons!"
ii) "Islam and the Quran serves a different purpose and interest than that of Christianity and the Bible."i) Tell me what purpose and interest Islam and Quran serves other than that of Christianity and the Bible? ii) Who owns world as paradise in earth? Is it Christians, muslims, Judaism, other religions or denominations rather than for mankind("Ya baani Adam!)? For your information; EQUAL RIGHTS & JUSTICE STARTS IN DISCOUNTING THE HUMAN RACE UNDER ONE UNIT OF IDENTITY "YA BAANI ADAM!" learn from Quran and through Prophet Muhamad (P.B.U.H) more later!What are the revelations that can help with global peace? Why do we need spritual masters and prayers? Refer last sermons of Prophet Muhamad (P.B.U.H) under;
a. http://www.iiu.edu.my/deed/articles/thelastsermon.html
b. More from bantaba topic The Last sermon of Prophet Muhammad under http://www.gambia.dk/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2477
iii) "My purpose here is not to justify and authenticate Christianity or undermine Islam, I am more of a Muslim than a Christian, although I also tend to belief that man indeed descended from the great apes..."Thats a weak argument, cheap bargaining and frivolous patronage...?
iv)"Therefore, let us go back to what the Quran taught us, "you onto your religion and I onto mine". In this way peace can be maintained in the world..."Yes there is no persecution in religion! However most relevant chapters (amongst others to follow later) for this topic are:-
a. Chapter 112 - "Al-Ikhlas"http://www.quranexplorer.com/quran/
b. Chapter 1 - "Al-Fatiha" http://www.quranexplorer.com/quran/
Meme earlier posted; "Had a look at that website but can't see that Jesus claimed to be God anywhere - did I overlook that paragraph, Kobo? Please place the individual link if possible ... thanks!"
Meme !There are lots of allegations that; its in the Bible Meme and hope you benefit from threads on this discussion? However the pages 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 & 9 from website are what you need on those claims! References under;
i) http://y-jesus.com/jesuscomplex_4.php
ii) http://y-jesus.com/jesuscomplex_5.php
iii) http://y-jesus.com/jesuscomplex_6.php
iv) http://y-jesus.com/jesuscomplex_8.php
v) http://y-jesus.com/jesuscomplex_9.php
More on this topic later; therefore stay tune to dissect claims on those website further
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MeMe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 11 Aug 2008 : 16:40:07
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| Thanks for the pointers, Kobo. I was intrigued as this is the first time I've ever heard such claims .... am no fervent bible reader though so perhaps it's my lack of knowledge that made the statement seem so shocking (for want of a beter word!). |
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mansasulu
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Posted - 12 Aug 2008 : 17:17:17
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Masa Allah, I am just listening to the Quran and this verse came through in Surah Nisaa, Verse 170:
"O people of the Scripture! Do not exceed the limits in your religion, nor say of Allâh aught but the truth. The Messiah (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), was (no more than) a Messenger of Allâh and His Word, ("Be!" - and he was) which He bestowed on Maryam (Mary) and a spirit (Rûh)[] created by Him; so believe in Allâh and His Messengers. Say not: "Three (trinity)!" Cease! (it is) better for you. For Allâh is (the only) One Ilâh (God), glory be to Him (Far Exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belongs all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And Allâh is All¬Sufficient as a Disposer of affairs." |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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mbay
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Posted - 12 Aug 2008 : 20:42:14
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In His wisdom, Alla Subhanu wa-taala the Knowing,the Aware,
decreed that all his prophets and messengers that He sent most be choosen from among their own fellowermen, They had to be of high purity, spirituality as well as incorporeality that would qualify them to communion with their lord and received His revelation. they all have that spirituality.It is not judicious or advisable that all men should be imbued with the same.
A Mackerels comes to all of them just in different forms, some are seen fiscally. Remember the emergence of she camel of Prophet Saleh from cracks of rock of mountain, The Jonas and the whale as well as the Lots?,The list is long.
Jesus said"No sign...(Matthew 12:39-40).
In the case of Issa(Jusus/Massiah) PBUH.Let start first from his name,which most of our christian breether doesn't even know or accept.Christ is a title in Hebrew meaning"Anointed"or in Greek as Christos from where we get the word Christ. Priest and kings were anointed when being consecrated to their office.The holy bible confers this title even on the heathen king name Cypus.we are reminded in the gospel of st. luck that when 8 days were accomplished for the circumcising of the the child, his name was called jusus, which was name of angel before he was conceived in the womb(Luke 2:21)the name that was given to Mary (R.A)her yet unborn son was JUSUS and not CHRIST. It was only after his baptism at the hand of john.The Jews refused. They wanted a proof,here we remember also in the Thessalonians (5:21) Proof.
Isa Has given many sign in the bible for not claims Him As God.(mistranslations)
didn't He said"I am a flash and burn"a God we both agrees should not be a flash and burn.And about his death. Example of Jonah, was he alive by the time of the casting?. Any christian child that attended Sunday school will replay "Alive!" and by then swallows?the answer will be the same.
But He prayed(Jonah 2:1). surly dead man don't cry and dont pry!
but what block my head more is the question in the(john 20:15)
" woman, why weepest you?,and "She supposing him a Gardner.
Do the Jews/Christians and the Muslims massage dead bodies after 3days?. No Because within 3hrs rigor mortis sets in.
Who Moved the stone of Jusus grave?.Before Mary of Magdala reached at tomb the stone was already rolled and the winding sheet founded unwounded.why sh went there and could she alone carry a decomposing corpse?
Neither shall they die anymore(Luke20:36)
We said.
1)Sin is not inherited.
2) the trinity is fabrication.
3)God is not beget.
4)Christ neither killed nor crucified.
theologians .like frank Morison has still problems a man with a millions of copies but never came to the conclusions.
Quran said"Haa antum burhaankam innakumtum tudkounaa"
Proof if you are true. Q2:111.
walau man ahalu lil-kitab lakhina khairu lahum minhum lil-mumnuna Waaktarhum li fasikhuna 3:110. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 13 Aug 2008 : 17:02:38
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Originally posted by kayjatta
i) The interesting thing I am trying to make here is that the claim of Jesus' representation or alleged representation of God (in human flesh) on earth has been made during his own life time and he did not dispute or correct it. Unlike Muhammad, who maintained that only God can forgive; Jesus is presented to us by himself and others to have raised the dead, cure the sick, and forgive our sins. These and other claims and representaions of Jesus are what depicts him as God, unlike Muhammad or any other prophet.
ii) Islam and the Quran serves a different purpose and interest than that of Christianity and the Bible. The two religions are competitors in the market place of faith. Whenever we try to judge others based on our own subjective knowledge and faith, we fall into the trap of egocentricism (the inability to see the other's perspective).
My purpose here is not to justify and authenticate Christianity or undermine Islam, I am more of a Muslim than a Christian, although I also tend to belief that man indeed descended from the great apes...
My oservations and comments on statements above are as follows:
i) Does claims and representations of Jesus (p.b.u.h) make depicts him as God?
ii) Does the testimonies on miracles of Jesus (p.b.u.h) gave him the will and authority to claim to be God?
iii) What purpose or interest (i.e Pillars of Faith) does Islam and quran teachings serve to human race (Oh children of Adam! or "Yaa bani Adam")?
iv) What purpose or interest (i.e. Pillars of Faith) does Christianity and Bible teachings serve to human race (Oh children of Adam or "Yaa bani Adam")?
v) Any significant contrasts on teachings of Islam from quran and that of teachings of christianity from Bible?
vi) Can anyone produce or refer us to proper sources of original scriptures of Bible and Torah?
v) Are Dead sea scrolls original scriptures? Refer links under;
a. Dead sea scrolls http://y-jesus.com/ancient_stone_1.php
b. The Gnostic Gospels http://y-jesus.com/gnostic_gospels.php
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inez
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Posted - 15 Aug 2008 : 13:41:03
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Originally posted by MeMe
Thanks for the pointers, Kobo. I was intrigued as this is the first time I've ever heard such claims .... am no fervent bible reader though so perhaps it's my lack of knowledge that made the statement seem so shocking (for want of a beter word!).
 good to hear I´m not the only one surprised about this...I been living in christian country all my life and never heard discussion about this before or any claims like these before...but then I really don´t have time to dig in these issues either even though I been studying religion sciense...don´treally understand why this is a problem. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 18 Aug 2008 : 16:42:06
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I would advise those studying religion science and/or Theologian, that discussion on what appears to be a complex or jig-saw puzzle topic:- "JESUS COMPLEX: Is Jesus God?" would be highly beneficial to them to refer to the holy Quran. All stages of development and civilization of mankind ("Yaa Bani Adam"!) are relevant and we need to refer on all sources of knowledge and wisdom
With the help of others, I intend to share my knowledge through authoritative references from the holy Quran what monotheism (as revealed to Prophet Abraham, Moses & Jesus (p.b.u.t) means to us. There are valid common sense meanings and interpetations of complex miracles of Jesus (p.b.u.h). Therefore the jig-saw puzzles of jesus (p.b.u.h) appears to be more complex to understand without references from the quran that came to us through Prophet Muhammad (p.b.u.h). I would also capitalize on this opportunity to un-cover purity of Islam; to share its fundamentals with others and thread on certain contrasts with other faiths !
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 18 Aug 2008 : 17:32:07
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Originally posted by mansasulu
Masa Allah, I am just listening to the Quran and this verse came through in Surah Nisaa, Verse 170:
"O people of the Scripture! Do not exceed the limits in your religion, nor say of Allâh aught but the truth. The Messiah (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), was (no more than) a Messenger of Allâh and His Word, ("Be!" - and he was) which He bestowed on Maryam (Mary) and a spirit (Rûh)[] created by Him; so believe in Allâh and His Messengers. Say not: "Three (trinity)!" Cease! (it is) better for you. For Allâh is (the only) One Ilâh (God), glory be to Him (Far Exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belongs all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And Allâh is All¬Sufficient as a Disposer of affairs."
Better layout of above verse from bantaba topic; Quran Made Easy! under http://www.quranexplorer.com/quran/
Further references on verses and translations from holy quran (from above) about Jesus (p.b.u.h) to cover folowing:-
.Jesus, 4:163, 9:30, 9:31, 10:68, 19:30-34, 21:91, 23:50, 33:7, 61:6, 61:14
.bears witness on Resurrection Day, 4:159
.Christians asked not to deify, 4:171
.creation of, 3:45-49, 19:22
.disciples, 3:52, 61:14
.divergent views about, 43:65
.followers above others on Resurrection day, 3:55
.healing of blind and lepers, raising the dead, 5:110
.his holy inspiration, 2:87, 2:252, 5:110
.his nature is as Adam's, 3:59
.is the means to know Judgement Day (alternate translation), 43:61
.Jews boast of killing, 4:157
.not Allah, 5:17, 5:72, 5:116
.only a messenger, 4:171, 4:172, 5:75, 19:30
.only seemed slain and crucified, 4:157
.resurrected, 4:158
.resurrection foretold, 3:55, 19:33
.truth about him will be realized when people die, 4:159
Relevant bantaba topic; Ascension and "Al-Mi'raj" http://www.gambia.dk/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=6468 |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 19 Aug 2008 : 17:19:06
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To understand more about mankind's stages of development, history and civilization; these sacred writings (in terms of different faiths, religion and spiritual worlds); explore with courtesy of free encyclopedia Writings, Sacred http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/Writings%2c+Sacred
Am still scrutinising original sacred writings of Bible to verify certain claims on Jesus (p.b.u.h)? I really need some help please?
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 22 Aug 2008 : 17:03:00
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Before I came back to the controversial issues and mis-conceptions on claims of Jesus to be God, I would like to cover briefly about The holy Bible.
The following researched extracts are what I have gathered about the Bible. Please clarify any errors or mis-statements on them; and substantiaite from proper sources, factual reasoning and better understanding of The Bible?
Its Composition
The Bible is a collection of 66 separate boks and letters, written over a period of some 1,500 years culminating approximately 100 years after Christ's death and resurrection. It is divided into the Old Testament (the first 39 boks) and the New Testament (the last 27 books).
The Bible has stood the test of time, the greatest test of all literature. It was completed nearly 2,000 years ago, yet is now read more than any other book and by people of widely varying cultures.
Its Writers
There are many different writers, who lived and wrote in different countries. They came from different walks of life and different social positions. One wrote history, another biography, another wrote on theology, another poetry, another prophecy. Some wrote on philosophy, and some stories of adventure, travel and romance.
Most of them had no contact with each other and no means of knowing that when their writings were all put together as one book it would be complete, all parts agreeing in doctrine, teaching and prophecy.
Its Author
Christians believe the Bible to be Word of God because the Lord Jesus Christ believed it to be so.
He constantly referred to the Old Testament in His teachings. In every case His words show that He believed in its historic accuracy and Divine Authority. Here are three (of many) passages which show His attitude to the Old Testament, called by the Jews "The Law and The Prophets".
1. Matthew 5:17-19. Here Jesus underlines the Authority of The Law.
2. Luke 24:27. Here He underlines the Message of The Prophets.
3. John 5.39,40. Here He speakes of them as pointing to Himself as the source of eternal life.
Its Translation
The Bible, or portions of it, has now been translated into over 2,000 lanquages and dialects. There have been many different translations from the time of Wycliffe in the fourteen century onwards. The one which has been used for the longest period of time is known as the Authorised version. This translation was the work of 47 Biblical Scolars commissioned by King James I and was completed in 1611.
There are more recent translations and paraphrases available in modern English.
Its Contents
The Bible is the story of God's revelation of Himself to man. It is not primarily a book of history, but its stories of God's dealings with individuals and with nations are as pertinent to the modern world as they have been to every age since they were written.
It is not primarily a book of science, but it is not at variance with any proven scientific fact. Some of its statements show a knowledge of the world of science which the writer could not have had apart from Divine revelation.
It is not prinmarily a book of philosophy. Nowhere does it argue for the existence of God. Yet the God it reveals has been known in a personal way by many of the greatest minds who have ever lived as well as by many millions of ordinary people. It speaks to every man from the simplest to the most sophisticated at his own level of understanding.
Throughout the Old Testament the theme of the Redemption of Mankind is developed and God unfolds His Covenant with men and nations. In the New Testament all that has been foreshadowed in the old Testament comes to vibrant and starting reality.
Its Power and Effect
The great majority of Bible readers have religious motivation. They believe that the Bible contains the 'words of life', and that to study it is a means to deepening their understanding of the ways of God. They turn to Bible to inform them about how God desires human beings to live, and about what God has done for the human race.
They expect to be challenged and helped by what they read, and to gain clearer guidance for living as religious believers.
Anyone who seeks a clearer perspective on a text that they hold in reverence as religiously inspiring. Jews, Catholics, Protestants and Orthodox christians have different expectations of the Bible:-
- Objects of God
- Religious systems it represents
- Judaism (Old Testament) & Christianity (New Testament)
- Classic texts that they regard as central to their life
The Bible as a Literature
Nowadays; however, a great deal of serious scholarly work is being done on literary aspects of the Bible (written with the needs of literary, rather than a religious readershipin mind).
Its Power and Effect
As one the most valuable thing this world affords. Here is wisdom from the Bible. The Bible has the power not only to inform - but to reform and transform lives. The Bible deals with every experience in the life of man. It gives advice and help, instruction and warning, comfort and hope, correction and direction, predictions and promises. Through its influence countless people have been given a new strength, an unerring purpose and a sure hope of life.
The NEW TESTAMENT is the foundation document of the Christian faith. In vivid terms it presents the message of Jesus Christ and conveys the impact of His life and teachings upon those who first witnessed them.
The Most Famous Verse In The Bibe
There is a verse in the Bible which has been translated into more than 2,000 lanquages. It tells of a God who loved us with an everlasting love. The verse is John 3:16. Translated in English as; "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life!"
What the Bible Says about these; selected:-
Itself (i.e. The Bible) - "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work." 2 Timothy 3:16.17
God - "The Lord, the Lord, the compassionate and gracious God, slow to anger, abounding in love and faithfulness, maintaining love to thousands, and forgiving wickedness, rebellion and sin." Exodus 34:6.7
"The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance." 2 Peter 3.9
Man - "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them." Genesis 1:27
Sin - "There is no difference, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God..." Romans 3:22,23
Death - "... man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment..." Hebrews9:27
Enemies - "Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who ill-treat you." Luke 6:27,28
The Commandments - The Ten Commandments were originally given by God to Moses on Mount Sinai, as recorded in Exodus Chapter 20. Jesus Christ referred to them and summarised them as follows:
"'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' This is the firts greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbour as yourself.'" Mattew 22:37-39
On another occasion he told an enquirer:
2'Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, honour your father and mother,' and 'love your neighbour as yourself.'" Matthew19:18,19
Wisdom - "... for wisdom is more precious than rubies, and nothing you desire can compare with her." Proverbs 8:11
"If any of you lacks wisdom, he should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to him." James 1:5
From the Bible on Jesus Christ?
Christ-His birth - "She (Mary) will give to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus, because he will save his people from their sins." Matthew1:21
"But the angel said to them, 'Do not be afraid. I bring you good news of great joy that will be for all the people. Today in the town of David a Saviour has been born to you; he is Christ the Lord.'"
Christ-His person - Jesus said, "I have come down from Heaven...I and the Father are one...Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father...I came from the Father...now I am leaving the world and going back to the Father... I will come back and take hn6:38,10:30,14:9,16:28,14:3
Christ-His purpose - "...I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full." John10:10
"For Christ died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God." 1Peter3:18
Christ-His resurrection - "But Christ has indeed been raised from dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. For since death came through a mn, the resurerrection of the dead comes also through a man."
Crist-His return - "At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will morn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory." Mattew24:30
"For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first." 1Thessalonians4:16
The Holy Spirit - Jesus said, "I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counsellor to be with you for ever - the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you will know him, for he lives with you and will be in you. I will not leave you as ophans; I will come to you." John14:16-18
Salvation - "...if you confess with your mouth, 'Jesus is Lord,' and belive in your heart that God raised him from dead, you will be saved." Romans10.9
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mansasulu
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Posted - 22 Aug 2008 : 19:44:29
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| very informative indeed, Kobo |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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mbay
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Posted - 22 Aug 2008 : 21:21:33
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posted by Kobo
Its Writers
There are many different writers, who lived and wrote in different countries. They came from different walks of life and different social positions. One wrote history, another biography, another wrote on theology, another poetry, another prophecy. Some wrote on philosophy, and some stories of adventure, travel and romance.
Most of them had no contact with each other and no means of knowing that when their writings were all put together as one book it would be complete, all parts agreeing in doctrine, teaching and prophecy.
Exactly! but still when true comes to them, they simply refused.
Real blind man can see too, if he is willing to. But day will come when some will not wish to see his own flash and blood,relative, and neither a friends. In this day there will be only you and Him and nor remade! No steps backward but just forward.( Aoudju Billahi, min-kuli Muslimina wal Muslimat min haaja li yum)
Kobo may Allahu subhanu wa Ta-ala rewards you for this your "Crystal-clear" information's.Amen
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