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Dalton1
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 Posted - 09 Jan 2008 : 13:27:47
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Bro Madis,
Mee jabata yanah heh Kaw amm-Suntou.
achuuuu waye! Meee hebatah Debboh den.
awaaaa nyallen jamm.
Uncle Suntou,
Move on now. Madis might be weakening your defensive article for their regained momentum lately.......hahaaaaaaa. He should address the two sides.
On a note, Moe's father taught me Enghlish communication in my 1st year at the University of the Gambia. What a jovial man at that. He might be aging now. Moe, don't you forget to reach my greetings to him.
ajarama,
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"There is no god but Allah (SWT); and Muhammad (SAW)is His last messenger." shahadah. Fear & Worship Allah (SWT) Alone! (:
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
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Posted - 09 Jan 2008 : 15:19:33
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Dalton AAWAARIKAM JA-LEH-NDEH. SO KAWMA SUNTOU ROKKA NEE MAA DEBBO, MEEN MA MEE ROKKEH. YODD NDO NO BETTEH
I am glad to know that after all you and Moe have re-discovered each other. This is Gambia. Suntou mis-understood me. But i know he's not a bad man, maybe he is over-incensed by Jammeh power.
Suntou dnt blackmail your nephew in supporting you, becos he needs a wife?
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Moe
USA
2326 Posts |
Posted - 10 Jan 2008 : 06:47:56
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Am really proud of you Mr baldeh for i have been anticipating and waiting for a reply. Think of me as your long lost cousin for i mean no harm to no one. I'm glad you decided to give me the reason that you stated above. You sound like a brilliant man yet you have to understand what you are fighting for before you can go to war with any one.
From my deductions of you, It's pretty obvious that you are a democrat and democracy has to prevail likewise Dalton , Santafara and almost everyone on this forum.
My question to everyone now is this, if we all believe in democracy and it is our chosen form of governance why are you trying to be dictators?. The same thing Jammeh is being accused of is something that is so Gambian. Do you really understand what democracy entails?. Our constitution clearly states that anyone charged with a crime is "Innnocent until proven guilty". Why are you jumping into conclusion thus far everything is just speculative. People have been charged and freed simply because of flimsy evidence or lack of it yet everyone knows they might be the possible perpetrators of the crime . Rule of law never changes and if anyone of ya'll wanna be good and productive citizens ,The first stage is to recognize the problem and fix it.
Everyone is crying about the student killings so far i have not seen a single lawsuit against the government like you rightly stated. Don't mince your words when you already know what the process entails. If you don't like the way jammeh is ruling gambia. You Know exactly what your rights are, Start a party or support a party and try to vote him out. jammeh overthrew the Government of the day so did a lot of african leaders and they are today regarded as heroes.
The fact is 70 percent of the population decided that he was their man and voted him in in the aftermath. In any democratic setting Majority rules. Hate jammeh love Jammeh 70 percent out of 100% said he is the MAN. Santa if i were Jammeh , not only will i suggest for a law to be passed that anyone 18 and over eligible to vote has to vote or else face Jail time. Sitting at home complaining is exactly what the problem is.
IF change is what you want ,trust me every Gambian has a right to demand change, yet don't break the law whilst in the process of achieving whatever you fanatsize.
There is a legitimate reason why WAA JUWARA made sure he cleansed his name out of dirty politics and made it clear, letting everyone know not to call Jammeh a dictator since he is far from that. An Aggresive politician yes that he is i totally agree to that .
My problem is why follow a trend that is bound to set you up for failure for thats exactly what is going on in cyberspace. People have decided to break the very laws they claim are being broken.
If you guys are really serious about being productive members of society join a party and if you feel you wanna open a newspaper go right ahead but just don't call a blog a newspaper . They are two seperate things.
One is usually politically motivate and the other is supposed to be informative not speculative
I hope everything ya'll champion means something to you if not ya'll got a tendency of being worse than Jammeh..................Peace
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I am Jebel Musa better yet rock of Gibraltar,either or,still a stronghold and a Pillar commanding direction
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Moe
USA
2326 Posts |
Posted - 10 Jan 2008 : 06:54:10
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Madiba, Over the years ,personally i have been misled into believing otherwise, "yet seeing is believing". Jammeh is not what he is potrayed to be and like an ex president in the united states once said "When in a foreign country and you have nothing good to say about your country don't say anthing" .
Image is everything...........................peace bro quote:
Originally posted by MADIBA
Santa you still didnt get it i guess? i am not playing the ref here. You are wrong if you think am being bias by not talking to MOe. I read harsh words frm ur postings. Anyway you free to go on the rampage if thats what makes you happy. What i know for sure is that not everybody could be in love with Jammeh also not everybody could be against him. I know that there are alot of un-answered issues such as murders, deaths, disapearances etc which has happened in Jammeh's time, and as its head of gov't he should have been seen to be doing something abt them. However as i hold not evidence as to innocence or guilt i prefer to wait for the truth to come to light. As you a stauanch muslim i believe, making sweeping statements could be dangerous.
I am not a ref but all the same i will stay out of your firing line. Lest your bullets kill me. By the way Santa i am not Saidy. LIVE AND LET LIVE IS A VIRTUE.
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I am Jebel Musa better yet rock of Gibraltar,either or,still a stronghold and a Pillar commanding direction
The GPU wants Me Hunted Down for what I don't know ..... |
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Santanfara
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Posted - 10 Jan 2008 : 10:41:11
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moe,if you have not been affected by jammeh's madness ,what other selfish comments or arguement would you have? we have heard that rubbish before. fall for him head over heals ,it doesn't change the fact that ,he imprison people for no justifiable reason, gambian get killed for no credible reasons, people disappears and the state kept on telling lies ,you said no one has any evidence. give us a break. can you then tell us who killed the person's of basiru barrow,dot faal,fafa nyang,and co and also when will justice take of the broad day light murder of the student demostration? if your son/brother hard died would you make that stupid comment you just made? no one hate yahya because he is a president.presidents come and go and yahya will go as well. but if he doesn't respect the people he is rulling ,you want us to be silent just because 100% voted for him, men which planet are you living on? the country you are living in ,who take responsility for matters of state? yahya is always hiding behind others.he blame every dic, tom and harry for for unsolve crimes. why do yo think that is the case? go make bad comments about yahya and see what his callous men will do to you? and yet gambians get killed nothing come out of that ,you can't see that open and clear facts. no one is a dictator or have a monopoly of media. yahya have his own state house popaganda machinery. if must know ,he also have the grts to utilise ,so don't tell us about dictatorship. you know nothing about yahya.congrajulate madiba all you wish,we don't care.
who are you preaching about democracy? which means did yahya use to take power? democracy? the sham elections and imcompetent electoral commmission with blind folded voters ,you tell us about democracy.please. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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Moe
USA
2326 Posts |
Posted - 10 Jan 2008 : 12:20:47
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| Your problem Santa claus is that you are totally angry with yourself. It's people like you that are being jailed on a daily basis simply because they are either oblivious to the law or just stupid. The rule of law prevails and you are just too ignorant for me to waste my precious time. Believe me when i tell you the days of misinformation are dead and gone.......................................Evidence is what we demand |
I am Jebel Musa better yet rock of Gibraltar,either or,still a stronghold and a Pillar commanding direction
The GPU wants Me Hunted Down for what I don't know ..... |
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Santanfara
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Posted - 10 Jan 2008 : 13:35:40
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| are you insinuating that koro wasn't killed? are you trying to tell us that dot faal and others have not been killed whilst in uniform? are you telling us that the commission that look into the massagar of the students was fair? are you telling us the malhandling of the deyda's case was according to your rule of law? no wonder jammeh feel relax. if experts like you can advice him to carry on messing with people and you will do your best to talk about the law. if it is the law you are now talking about,why the arrest of rambo for over one year without trail and then release after some ngo's went out there way to track him down in sarenghai? is that your rule of law? why the continous detention of kanyiba kanyi without trial is that your version of rule of law? what about he detention of ebrima manneh .moe. tell jammeh about the rule of law ,he is the one breaking every law he swore to defend. you cannot clear jammeh of all his crimes .continue to try. he may one day appoint you his press officer. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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Moe
USA
2326 Posts |
Posted - 10 Jan 2008 : 19:47:46
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| Now i personally think you are retarded or something. It's damn obvious that you really don't know a goddamn thing. Murders are TORTS and they can always go punished even after 50 years. If you feel that you have evidence sue Jammeh or the Gambia government they are not above the laws. What happened to all their family members, No where to be found. If a crime is committed against my family member i will exhaust every avenue possible................................Peace |
I am Jebel Musa better yet rock of Gibraltar,either or,still a stronghold and a Pillar commanding direction
The GPU wants Me Hunted Down for what I don't know ..... |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 11 Jan 2008 : 07:07:40
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Moe, with all due respect, murders are not exactly torts. Murders are criminal offenses with a vested state interest while torts are civil offenses. A murder may involve a civil cause of action, but it is generally a criminal offense. That is why there is no statutes of limitations for murder in many places. Many torts do have statutes of limitations.
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Santanfara
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Posted - 11 Jan 2008 : 07:28:26
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quote:
Originally posted by Moe
Now i personally think you are retarded or something. It's damn obvious that you really don't know a goddamn thing. Murders are TORTS and they can always go punished even after 50 years. If you feel that you have evidence sue Jammeh or the Gambia government they are not above the laws. What happened to all their family members, No where to be found. If a crime is committed against my family member i will exhaust every avenue possible................................Peace
good answer mr lawyer...................................peace.murders are torts.yeah. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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Moe
USA
2326 Posts |
Posted - 11 Jan 2008 : 07:39:24
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Nah bro you got me messed up .I ain't the best lawyer in town so don't think about hiring me. anyways this much i know The equivalent of tort in civil law jurisdictions is delict. The law of tort can be categorised as part of the law of obligations, but, unlike voluntarily assumed obligations (such as those of contract, or trust), the duties imposed by the law of tort apply to all those subject to the relevant jurisdiction. To behave 'tortiously' is to harm another's body, property, or legal rights, or, possibly, to breach a duty owed under statute. tort is a civil wrong for which the law provides a remedy, trust me i know yet murder under the circumstances i think could fall under that category since it was not plain murder but a wrongful death suit , There was no intention.Anyway may be this might helphttp://myphlip.pearsoncmg.com/blawcases/students/hypoth_cases_stu/legal_class_oj_hyp.cfm. Am suprised that after everything i had to say you would knit and pick .....................................Peacequote:
Originally posted by kayjatta
Moe, with all due respect, murders are not exactly torts. Murders are criminal offenses with a vested state interest while torts are civil offenses. A murder may involve a civil cause of action, but it is generally a criminal offense. That is why there is no statutes of limitations for murder in many places. Many torts do have statutes of limitations.
Thanks.
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I am Jebel Musa better yet rock of Gibraltar,either or,still a stronghold and a Pillar commanding direction
The GPU wants Me Hunted Down for what I don't know ..... |
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Moe
USA
2326 Posts |
Posted - 11 Jan 2008 : 07:40:37
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Eat a ding a ling Fatoumatta.......................Peacequote:
Originally posted by Santanfara
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Originally posted by Moe
Now i personally think you are retarded or something. It's damn obvious that you really don't know a goddamn thing. Murders are TORTS and they can always go punished even after 50 years. If you feel that you have evidence sue Jammeh or the Gambia government they are not above the laws. What happened to all their family members, No where to be found. If a crime is committed against my family member i will exhaust every avenue possible................................Peace
good answer mr lawyer...................................peace.murders are torts.yeah.
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I am Jebel Musa better yet rock of Gibraltar,either or,still a stronghold and a Pillar commanding direction
The GPU wants Me Hunted Down for what I don't know ..... |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 11 Jan 2008 : 09:03:33
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Mr. Moe, let me say this again: a murder is not a tort. A murder is a criminal law question while a tort is a civil law question. The two are completely different.The burden of prove in a murder case is "beyond all reasonable doubt" while the burden of prove in most tort cases is "the preponderance of the evidence". This means that it is easier to prove a civil case (tort) than a criminal case.
Now I have to say that a criminal murder case like the O.J. Simpson case you referenced above has been acquitted (O.J. is set free), in such situations the victim's qualified relatives can sue for a lesser offense of "wrongful death" which is not a criminal action but a civil action. You will recall that the girl who sued Kobe Bryant also did not prevail with the criminal suit of rape, but she eventually filed a civil action. Civil suits, if successful are awarded monetary damages instead of jail time as in most criminal cases.
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Santanfara
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Posted - 11 Jan 2008 : 15:06:02
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| kay,we understood you.moe is part of the jammeh acadame of experts.relax. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
www.suntoumana.blogspot.com |
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Moe
USA
2326 Posts |
Posted - 11 Jan 2008 : 15:51:44
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I think either you are just playing stupid or whatever you problem is its not gonna work for me .The fact is the student killings don't fall under the category of murder. Its actually gonna be a wrongful death suit or negligence . Don't play stupid Kay Take your lectures and lecture your villagers you are BARKING AT THE WRONG TREE. ....................................Peacequote:
Originally posted by kayjatta
Mr. Moe, let me say this again: a murder is not a tort. A murder is a criminal law question while a tort is a civil law question. The two are completely different.The burden of prove in a murder case is "beyond all reasonable doubt" while the burden of prove in most tort cases is "the preponderance of the evidence". This means that it is easier to prove a civil case (tort) than a criminal case.
Now I have to say that a criminal murder case like the O.J. Simpson case you referenced above has been acquitted (O.J. is set free), in such situations the victim's qualified relatives can sue for a lesser offense of "wrongful death" which is not a criminal action but a civil action. You will recall that the girl who sued Kobe Bryant also did not prevail with the criminal suit of rape, but she eventually filed a civil action. Civil suits, if successful are awarded monetary damages instead of jail time as in most criminal cases.
I hope I am being clear here...
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I am Jebel Musa better yet rock of Gibraltar,either or,still a stronghold and a Pillar commanding direction
The GPU wants Me Hunted Down for what I don't know ..... |
Edited by - Moe on 11 Jan 2008 16:02:13 |
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