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Sister Omega
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 Posted - 05 Jan 2010 : 00:53:42
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Lurker you conveniently missed out that the eight year old boy was in a psychriatric childrens hospital after witnessing the massacre of his entire family right in front of his very eyes. He was also visibly wounded with a slash across his right check which was badly stitched together. Ross Kemp reason for visiting this hospital was to find out what hope lay in store for the residents of Gaza as they now live in the rumble of the merciless bombardment from Israel bombings last year. These children are the casuality of war over three generations since the inception of the 1967 war.
The little girl spoke out after her peer had spoken just as Ross kemp's camera crew were about to finish filming. She stated that she saw her mother,s head break into pieces in front of her eyes and then her father's brain exploded through his head at the same time.Just imagine any child witnessing such horror and then we magnify in conflict zones all over the world. Then when we start having empathy with others whether they be Muslim , Jews, Christians, Africans, Europeans,Americans ,Asians and Austrialisians.
We know that when we all as human when we're cut we bleed when we're shot we bleed. When any of our families are hurt we hurt. Then why is humankind still justifying divide and rule, power and greed? Wars in this world are down to greed hidden under the guise of religion? Fuelled by fear to control people's mind through religious indoctrination as a manipulation control technique under the power of the machine or tel-a-lie-vision screen.
We have a Global Recession yet we are embroiled in wars we can't afford, why? We can't afford them economically, environmentally or ethically. So why are we at war? Whose war on terror is it anyway? Where's the cheap oil? When and how will exit this war ? Does the ordinary person really know why are we fighting all these wars across the world?
When we would be better focused on fighting war on poverty, illiteracy, health problems etc. Isn't war merely a distraction to keep the majority of the world in fear to be used as a weapon to control freedom of movement take away civil liberties and to keep Politicians in the seat of power long after their sell by date.
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turk
USA
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Posted - 05 Jan 2010 : 08:31:01
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Lurker. You are biased. And you take side. I am biased too. It was just years ago, when your government take side and established the Jewish land from the scratch. They did that because ‘promise land’ and ‘chosen people’ belief in Christianity. I did not see you objecting that at all. They allow Jewish immigrants from Europe and Russian to Palestine. Your government allowed Palestinians to be forced out to Jordon, Syria, Egypt as refugee. It is a choice. Just like your government, you take side.
Sister Omega exposed your unfairness. Well done.
You are very unfair is that you insult all Muslims that you see us a psychos and robots and we are describe like a freak and zombies. That is so unfair. My daughter is not going to be suicide bomber. She is Muslim. I believe the same Quran as that suicide bomber believes. So is Mansa, or kobo or Dalton 90 % of Gambians, 100 % of Bosnians, 80 % of Albanians and 99 % of Turks. We are not freaks. We are not psycho it is because of our religious. Stop insulting us. That is enough.
My daughter is not under occupation by other soldiers that look different, talk different and has AK 47 pointing her father. Her father is employed. She is getting proper health care, education. She is taking dance courses, swim daily, going day care, she has relatives. Life is more beautiful to her than dead. She is lucky. I was never taken by Israeli soldiers in the middle of the night from my bed for questioning. I do not have to show my ID to someone one who can kill me and never get trial. I have a house and land; noone told me that an Israeli settler will take over my land. I have a government so I can complain if I see wrong. I can even sue my own government. Call police if I feel unsafe. My daughter did not lose her relatives in collateral damage. Last time Israel has attack on Palestine and over 1000 died. Because of Hamas rockets that kill less than 10.
So do not give us Palestine example. That is a wrong choice. Find something else. You should have found some other example. There are fanatics who blow up themselves, but stop associating Islam religion as a single reason for anything wrong. There are school shooting in USA by youth. Why are they doing in it? Because, they are religious zombies too? Or when that American blow up Oklahama Government Building? He did it in the name of Religion? What about IRA. They are freak too.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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lurker
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Posted - 05 Jan 2010 : 08:31:59
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actually, i was NOT referring to that poor child, who has indeed witnessed unspeakable horrors, i was , in fact, referring to the other hundreds of tiny children running around with fake or real guns ppretending to kill their enemy. They are indoctrinated, no doubt, for all the reasons and more that you cover. i agree with you in general on your other points.
this programme served exactly to illustrate the theme here, which is that religion is used to foster violence, as well as all the socio-economic issues you raise.
people fight for all sorts of reasons, politicians are corrupt and money-driven. wars are fought for crap reasons,people die for nothing.
all i am saying is that it is even worse when these people then use their guile and intellect and positions in their communities to go and use religion as a tool to encourage their own to die and to justify slaughter with promises of heaven, paradise and other such stuff. the real leaders should use the correct version of the texts to promote dialogue and peace. there is no hope otherwise.
religion, as many good muslims here keep telling us, is supposed to foster love and peace.
none of them(the religions) do as they say on the tin.
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mbay
Germany
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Posted - 05 Jan 2010 : 10:09:02
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lurker
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Posted - 05 Jan 2010 : 14:49:27
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turk, you never read anything properly and you always chime back with the same old stuff. your head is in the sand so there is no point taking this issue with you. any criticism or commentary that you do not fancy and you spout out the same old stuff. you should read these postings more carefully. Siter omega did not find my unfairness, she thought i was talking about one girl, which i was not and explained. you did not see the programme i bet, so stop jumping on bandwagons. you hate criticism of islam. that is your perogative. you take any subject involving this religion and turn it into some kind of crusade by the brits or the israelis etc.
pointless debating with you. how many others have said the same thing on this bantaba.
you simply cannot be objective. waste of time. i am outta here with you. have a good day in your blinkered world. |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 05 Jan 2010 : 21:45:11
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| Lurker. Looking forward to see your next posts about Islam. But for once, say something nice. If you don't have anything nice to say, do not say it (2010, new year resolution for you). |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 05 Jan 2010 : 21:51:00
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Et Tu Turk 
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Originally posted by turk
Lurker. Looking forward to see your next posts about Islam. But for once, say something nice. If you don't have anything nice to say, do not say it (2010, new year resolution for you).
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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lurker
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Posted - 05 Jan 2010 : 21:55:36
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turk, are you only capable of dealing with things that are nice?
thought you had more balls.
thats my point.
you cannot handle criticism without trying to blame everything and anyone else.
just for once, look inwards and not outwards, and address the issues raised, no matter how distasteful you may find them.
they exist.
you cannot hide from them or dilute them by spreading the net.
seek and ye shall find.
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 05 Jan 2010 : 23:05:19
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If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all. You do not realize your negativity on Islam became your habit and obsession.
I am really tired of you are not getting it. I am handling your critism properly. Don't you see your unfair perspective on the reason for fanatism. It became a daily habit for some to provide critism on Islam. You do not realize how many posts you have here to blame Islam. You do not realize how simplistic approach you have chosen when it comes to provide critism on Islam. Blame everything for fanatism on brainwashed people! You are the one actually who disregard everthing from international politics to social and economic factors, racial profiling Muslims face and obsessed associating religion with everhting negative. I have to repeat myself, try to demonstrate to you that, for example, for Palestine problem, I am trying to demonstrate to you that this is more than Islamic fanatism for Palestinian kids. It has political background, historical events and socio-economic factors for Palestine people to became fanatic. To you, they are fanatic because they are brainwashed with the ideology.
Let me summarize. You are associating Islamic doctrine is the reason for fanatism; my theory is the problem is not simple. It has many dynamics from your own government's historical mistakes to social and economic factors for fanatism. You are making inacurate statements about issues.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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tamsier
United Kingdom
557 Posts |
Posted - 06 Jan 2010 : 06:52:36
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Before I respond to Mansasulu I would like to comment on the fact that, after my previous post, I came back to this thread the day after in order to respond to him. However, the thread appeared to be removed and I could not access it. All the other threads were working fine it was just this thread that appeared to be removed. There is [was] nothing wrong with my computer and I can access the internet just fine. This went on for few days and everytime I visited Bantaba this thread was unaccessable. When I revisited Bantaba today, I noticed that the thread was back on. What is strange is that, after my previous posting, other people appeared to have had no problems posting right after me judging by the dates of their postings. I am not accusing Admin of anything just stating my experience. I appreciate the fact that, this could be explained by 'technological problems', however I still find this very strange especially when people could respond to this thread but I couldn't.
Mansasulu,
Again these are my words: 'I have heard with my ears muslim friends of mine condone or tried to justify Islamic terrorism. I have even seen this here on Bantaba by certain people e.g. Mansasulu not to forget the animals that organise demonstrations.'
Snippits and links provided
THE LEGACY OF ISLAM IN AFRICA [BY ME]
Snippets from Mansasulu:
1.‘..believe Tamsier is bitter about that fact that Islam displaced paganism in many parts of Africa. If I became muslim on the backs of recalcitrant and misguided ancestors who never wanted to accept the oneness of Allah, that is a very small price paid indeed. I am not gonna cry over the enslavement of a people who never wanted to be slaves of the creator. You can label slavery a heinious crime all you want, but refusing to acknowledge Allah as the Omnipotent and Omniscient is a greater crime.’
2.‘I have no relations whatsoever to anyone who denies the existence of Allah. Alhamdullillah Allah has made me and kept me a muslim and that I am grateful for. May Allah have mercy on my true brothers and sisters who braved the desert heat, scorching, and sweltering sun to make sure Islam got to the likes of me. Too bad for you, it was at the price of paganism.
Dude if you refuse to be a slave to the creator, you will be enslaved by your fellow creatures and that is the lowest position for a human being.’
3.‘Heck I even pride my belief in Islam more than my nationality. If I were giving an option of saving you (a pagan) or a muslim brother from as far as Vanuatu or the most remote place on earth from a sinking ship, I will pick them over you. Not only that, and in the words of James Carville I will "throw the son of a **** [S-O-B]an anvil" to drown while bringing a fellow muslim to safety.’
http://www.gambia.dk/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=8299&whichpage=3
MINARETS ARE VERY DANGEROUS [POSTED BY THE MAMLUK]
TO QUOTE KAY: ‘Thanks Momodou, I truly appreciate your response. My understanding also is that Minarets are purely architectural symbols, the use of which were not existing during Prophet Muhammad's own time.
When I used to attend Friday prayers here in the U.S., we didn't depend on a call to prayer from any minaret or rooftop, we depended on our watches, and even adzan which happens shortly before prayers was very low keyed and purely customary.
I think-this is just my opinion-adzan is customary practice which arguably has outlived its usefulness in the modern cities of Switzerland, France, Germany, Denmark, U.S. or U.K.
The activist and expansonary role of adzan in the early days of Islam is untenable in today's world of personal freedoms and religious co-existence. I think constructing impsoing minarets in heart of Western cities and pounding the air and the ear drums of freedom-conscious citizens five times a day with intimidating call for prayer could be understandably intolerable to many...’
MANSASULU’S RESPONSE: ‘To start off, I agree with Kay's understanding that minarets are clearly architectural symbols. What this whole minaret ban brought to the fore front is ISLAM. This in itself should be seen as a victory for the religion. It opens up an avenue to discuss substance rather than just the symbolism of islam. I for once did not know that only 4 out of 150 masajids in Switzerland had Minarets and none are used in making the adhan. Alhamdullillah there are 150 masajids in Switzerland. I think we will be better served by figuring out how to make more people attend those masajids instead of getting bent out of shape because we cant have minarets on them. Its substance over symbolism for me. The fact that we are having this debate alone is victory for the religion of Allah.’
KAY’S RESPONSE: ‘Thanks Mansasulu for your response. However, you have appeared to also confirmed the activist, expansionist,ambition for conquest (victory) by the Islamic agenda in Europe/West I was talking about...’
MANSASULU’S RESPONSE: ‘To quote Sarah Palin..."Doggone it, Darn Right, You Betcha."!’
http://www.gambia.dk/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=8469&whichpage=2
MORE FROM YOU ENDORSING AN ISLAMIC TERRORIST SECT
http://www.gambia.dk/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7917&whichpage=1
http://www.gambia.dk/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7917&whichpage=1
Some quotes :
Mansasulu: ‘Yes some people really become wierd when they come in contact with such a movement "Marakash," but Marakash that I know truely embodies a movement to revive islam in Gambia.’
Mansasulu: ‘Tabliqh Jamaat is not a sect. It is a movement. I think it is important we get that point across. Santa I believe the book you are talking about is Fazail-e-Amal (Virtuous Deeds). Very simple and easy to read book. I love that book.’
The following from Prince in respond to Santanfara who also originally defended this sect:
Prince: ‘Santa, are these people members of the sect you are talking about?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8196740.stm
At least five Pakistanis have been killed in a dawn attack at a mosque on the border of Somalia's semi-autonomous Puntland region, witnesses say.
Armed men in masks entered a mosque in Galkayo and ordered six Pakistanis and one Somali outside, they said.
The gunmen then opened fire, killing five men and seriously injuring two.
Those targeted are said to be Muslim preachers. Puntland has been tense recently, but the reason for the latest attack is unclear.
The Pakistanis are thought to be missionaries from an Islamic branch called Tabliq who arrived in Galkayo on Tuesday.’
Santanfara: ‘Prince, it seems they belong to the movement or group.’
Sab: ‘I thought these links might be of interest to some:
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2009%5C08%5C12%5Cstory_12-8-2009_pg20_5
http://www.armed-groups.org/6/section.aspx/ViewGroup?id=27
sab.’
Now either you didn’t know anything about this evil sect but only pretending you do - hence the reason you defended their activities or you actually know who they are.If you didn't why pretend and lie, if you did, why lie that and give the impression that their actions are honourable? Even Santanfara conceded when Prince posted a link detailing the evil activities of these people. Notice that after Sab posted the links, the usual suspects that spread Islamic propaganda on this site avoided the thread.
This is just a taste of your treachery. I haven’t even revisited the entire religious and politics archives. Your dangerous ideology knows no bounds. As I said before, there are actually people like these in our midst who value Islam more than the land of their forefathers and would fight to death to defend it even if it means killing their own people or family. Anyone who thought I was exaggerating, here is the proof. Notice that I did not take offence to your drowning remark. Do you know why I did not respond to that remark in a negative way or take offence? Because I know how the mind of the dangerous Muslim terrorists works. Why would you bother to save me - you who wish for my death when you would do the same to your own family who have similar views or religion to mine? If you would do the same to your own blood family, why wouldn’t you do it to me? Your treacherous remark about your own ancestors doesn’t surprise. You have expressed similar views before. This is the reason why this dangerous cult called Islam must be eradicated from the land of my forefathers [not yours because by your own admission you place Islam above the land of your forefathers] and Africa as a whole. You and people who think like you are not children of Africa. You are the enemy within - a danger to the land. Then again I am not surprised, because your god demands submission at whatever cost. How many people have to die, suffer pillaging, enslavement, etc before your god is satisfied?
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Tamsier
Serere heritage. Serere religion. Serere to the end.
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Momodou
Denmark
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Posted - 06 Jan 2010 : 08:45:05
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quote:
Originally posted by tamsier
Before I respond to Mansasulu I would like to comment on the fact that, after my previous post, I came back to this thread the day after in order to respond to him. However, the thread appeared to be removed and I could not access it. All the other threads were working fine it was just this thread that appeared to be removed. There is [was] nothing wrong with my computer and I can access the internet just fine. This went on for few days and everytime I visited Bantaba this thread was unaccessable. When I revisited Bantaba today, I noticed that the thread was back on. What is strange is that, after my previous posting, other people appeared to have had no problems posting right after me judging by the dates of their postings. I am not accusing Admin of anything just stating my experience. I appreciate the fact that, this could be explained by 'technological problems', however I still find this very strange especially when people could respond to this thread but I couldn't.
Tamsier, the thread was never removed as you can see, there was nothing wrong with your computer either. You would have seen it if you had logged in.
We had contemplated removing it because it was turning into the same extrimist and intolerant exchanges as we have seen in some other threads before which had later been locked........ |
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concort
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Posted - 06 Jan 2010 : 14:23:20
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Good point, Momodou. As you all know, many of us have consistently been calling for some restraint when talking about others cultural and religious beliefs. That said, some have made it their sole agenda insulting Islam and all muslims. Just because you prefer to belief in something other than the Oneness of Allah and not to submit to Islam, should by no means give you the license to insult over one billion good muslims. It's been said here many times that Islam is a peaceful religion and way of life.
The father of Umar Farouk went to the U.S embassy in Nigeria to warn them about what his son was up to. He's a muslim, however, does that make him a bad muslim by turning against his son whose intention was to harm innocent peoiple including muslims?
I am by no means calling for censorship...we can discuss the issues without resorting to name calling. Had the topic of this thread been worded differently, something good could have come out of it rather than exposing posters intollerance and hatefulness towards others and their preferred religious belief. |
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mansasulu
997 Posts |
Posted - 06 Jan 2010 : 19:23:14
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Tamsier you accused me of condoning or tried to justify Islamic terrorism...your words and not mine. After scouring the Bantaba achives this is all you can come up with? How do those statements which I once again fully stand by condone or tried to justify Islamic terrorism ? Dude you are truely pathetic. I told you to stop being bitter. This thread was on all along. I have been able to access it the whole time since you disappeared on your 'research' odyssey. I am glad I didn't hold my breath. Let me make one thing clear. I have no problems with you expressing your view because I believe we are all entitled to our views. However, what I wont stand by and watch you attempting to make a mockery of the religion of Allah. I intend this to be by my last posting on this issue and I am moving on. WASALAM!
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Originally posted by tamsier
Before I respond to Mansasulu I would like to comment on the fact that, after my previous post, I came back to this thread the day after in order to respond to him.......................
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"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
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tamsier
United Kingdom
557 Posts |
Posted - 06 Jan 2010 : 22:57:32
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Momodou,
Thanks for you explanation that had I logged in I would have been able to see the thread. Perhaps I should have logged in. However, I was still able to see all the other threads even though I didn’t log in. Further, certain people on this site had demonstrated more extremist and intolerance views and their remarks were never censored. I am sure there are lots of people who visit this site who are yet to register – hence the use of the word ‘censored’. Thanks though for your explanation.
Concord,
I am not surprised by your remarks. I would expect nothing less. You see me as a danger – one of those ‘un-politically correct’ people who would expose Islam for what it is - and I see you as a danger, as one of those people whose sole aim is to advocate Islamic propaganda. We seat on opposite site of the fence and in rear cases exchange polite glances at each other [metaphorically speaking] yet we despise each other. This is the reason in certain cases when I post threads about Islam, you open a new thread to counter attack. This is also one of the reasons we rarely contribute to each other’s threads. You also seem to be very selective about the people you want to use restraint when contributing or posting topics. As long as people are using extremist views in favour of Islam/advocating Islam at whatever cost, you are fine with that but people like me who expose it and counter attack, you want our remarks restraint. Yes! You are calling for censorship as long as it is not in favour of Islam.
Mansasulu,
1.If I became muslim on the backs of recalcitrant and misguided ancestors who never wanted to accept the oneness of Allah, that is a very small price paid indeed. I am not gonna cry over the enslavement of a people who never wanted to be slaves of the creator. You can label slavery a heinious crime all you want, but refusing to acknowledge Allah as the Omnipotent and Omniscient is a greater crime.’
‘I have no relations whatsoever to anyone who denies the existence of Allah. Alhamdullillah Allah has made me and kept me a muslim and that I am grateful for. May Allah have mercy on my true brothers and sisters who braved the desert heat, scorching, and sweltering sun to make sure Islam got to the likes of me.’
Your ancestors where terrorised and enslaved because they refused to submit to islam. Since they refused to submit to islam and accept the oneness of Allah, their enslavement is fine. Isn’t enslaving people a form of terrorism? You even qualified that with the next paragraph when you refer to your true muslim brothers and sisters who braved the desert heath to bring islam to you. In order words, to come and conquer, to implant the Islamic religion which you inherited from those conquered.
2.‘If I were giving an option of saving you (a pagan) or a muslim brother from as far as Vanuatu or the most remote place on earth from a sinking ship, I will pick them over you. Not only that, and in the words of James Carville I will "throw the son of a **** [S-O-B]an anvil" to drown while bringing a fellow muslim to safety.’
Although in the surface, you seem to be directing your death wishes to me, look closely and you will see that you weren’t just talking about me but all pagans hence your emphasis on the word pagan as opposed to muslims. Here you vouch for the death of all pagans. Isn’t that condoning act of terrorism?
3. KAY’S RESPONSE: ‘Thanks Mansasulu for your response. However, you have appeared to also confirmed the activist, expansionist, ambition for conquest (victory) by the Islamic agenda in Europe/West I was talking about...’
MANSASULU’S RESPONSE: ‘To quote Sarah Palin..."Doggone it, Darn Right, You Betcha."!’
You are condoning here Islamic conquest. How did Islamic expansion occurred? Wasn’t it through conquest by blood? In almost every case, people have to die in order to conquer and achieve victory. When people leave the land of their forefather’s to come and conquer people who have done nothing to them, isn’t this a form of terrorism? Aren’t you condoning terrorism? Why not ask the families/survivors of the July 7th bombing in London and the 9/11 bombing in the USA and see what their answers will be.
4. You appeared to be very knowledgeable about the terrorist sect cited above. What is astonishing is that, you describe their activities in an honourable light. Why did you do this when this sect is nothing but another branch of Islamic terrorists as evident in the news bulletin other have provided? Isn’t this condoning an Islamic terrorist organisation?
You describe me a pathetic, you are the pathetic one who condones terrorism and support Islamic terrorist organisations as evident above. Of course you will run off as usual, because you well know the implications of your statements. You also know I will unfold exactly what you are saying when you made those statements. Anyone if they are really honest with themselves does not even need me to unfold the meaning of your statements. Your statements speak volumes. Now you can go back in hiding - you are the one with something to proof.
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Tamsier
Serere heritage. Serere religion. Serere to the end.
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mansasulu
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Posted - 07 Jan 2010 : 00:11:48
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Violence and Terrorism have no place in Islam, so quit trying to make the two synonymous with Islam. Islam is a religion, in case you did not know. Your problem is that Islam supplanted Paganism in Senegambia.
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