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kobo
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 Posted - 22 Oct 2009 : 17:04:04
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Originally posted by snuggels
All that we are seeing now was predicted by by Enoch Powell member of parlliment in 1968 in his famouse speech called Rivers of Blood
http://www.sterlingtimes.org/powell_speech.doc
That political speech is bedrock for racism in U.K and what BNP advocates All forms of racism should be condemn!
You can't see somebody walking and you hate because of what he is wearing A classic clip forwarded by Madiba
You can't openly provoke or attack someone's religion like; "I hate Islam and I hate Muslims!" Dutch politician Mr. Wilders amongst others.
You can't take your politics against someone's right of pray with demonstrations of "No more mosques in U.K!" BNP facist members.
There is no justification for ANTI-ISLAM |
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black orchid
United Kingdom
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Posted - 22 Oct 2009 : 19:10:04
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Originally posted by kobo
That political speech is bedrock for racism in U.K and what BNP advocates All forms of racism should be condemn!
You can't see somebody walking and you hate because of what he is wearing A classic clip forwarded by Madiba
You can't openly provoke or attack someone's religion like; "I hate Islam and I hate Muslims!" Dutch politician Mr. Wilders amongst others.
You can't take your politics against someone's right of pray with demonstrations of "No more mosques in U.K!" BNP facist members.
There is no justification for ANTI-ISLAM
well in that case you shouldnt be allowed to judge someone because of their sexual orientation either, or try and vilify them, pls see other posts concerning "homosexuality". |
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
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Posted - 22 Oct 2009 : 19:30:03
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Guys lets not derail, the main issue of this thread is VIOLENT RACISM BY WHITES ON ETHNIC MINORITIES IN THE UK.
I never said anywhere asians are not racist. However i have never been subjected to any form racism by them much muc a violent one. Having lived and worked in arab country predominantly muslim, i have been subjected to racism , but non-violent. No-one slapped me, or ever smashed my car.
Suggesting that asian muslims(pakistanis) associate themselves with non-asian muslims(afro-muslims) solely for their gains i.e. marketing of halal products is ridiculous , laughable at best. Not muslims alone shop at these halal shops. Whites,africans, asians , christian, muslim, atheist etct. I shop with them mainly becos of their halal lamb and groceries which are not always available at the customary british grocery. Lots of their food stuffs are similar to what we africans eat. so its only natural that we shop there. Ghanians and Nigerians back home in The Gambia have their own outlets where they buy their native foods.
This racism, where people are called ragheads, named jihad, shows onething , that it is due mainly by mis-information.
Finally i have never been openely discrimanated at the masjids i pray. Any muslim who does that is uninformed. The holy scripture (Al-quran) is not in pakistani,urdu or wat have u, but in classical arabic (fussha). Which merely born arab doesnt make you understand it. They have to study it like everyone. So islam is not for the monopoly of any race. If they discriminate , they do out of ignorance.
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tamsier
United Kingdom
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Posted - 22 Oct 2009 : 21:56:06
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'Having lived and worked in arab country predominantly muslim, i have been subjected to racism'
Yet, you are among their greatest supporters. See what I am saying!
I do not condone hitting other people, but if some one leaves his homeland and come in to your own country to change your way of life, instill religious dogma and even worst, preaches the death of the inhabitants of his host country, he deserves everything he gets. When in Rome, do as the Romans do. Don't go there trying to change it. This documentary is more about economic than racism and the sooner people get that, we'll be going round in circles. The British media likes to sensationlise things. It is more emotive to use 'race' than 'economic'. If they went to Surrey or any other parts of London or other cities, I am sure they would not have experienced the same problem. The documentary makers knew exactly what they were doing. They wanted to create public emotions - hence manipulate the viewer. I will not be manipulated. If that makes me heartless, fine. Many people have died from real racism who never went out of their way looking for it. These are the people I feel sorry for, not a bunch of attention seekers. |
Tamsier
Serere heritage. Serere religion. Serere to the end.
Roog a fa ha. |
Edited by - tamsier on 22 Oct 2009 23:23:55 |
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lurker
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Posted - 22 Oct 2009 : 22:38:02
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sensationalist, manipulative journalism?
course it was!
now can everyone go and watch the real threat that is hitler junior on question time and lets have some feedback after the programme.
This is going to be very provocative or a total damp squib.
I hope the panel slaughter him with intellect, but the panel are wimps and i think he is going to be moderate and elusive to gain votes from the undecided ex-labour voters.
Nice to see that fascism may not be tolerated in our country,
but , it has to be said, just because you do not like an opinion does not mean that it should not be heard.
That is the democracy we fought for.
tough love, hey? |
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tamsier
United Kingdom
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Posted - 22 Oct 2009 : 23:34:46
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| Of course he is going be moderate and elusive. He would have discussed this with his organisation long before going to Question Time. He is a politician after-all. Honestly, I am less concerned about the BNP. They will never get into power because everyone knows exactly what they are. They may pick up votes but that's as good as it gets. Even if they have seats in parliament, they would still find it difficult to implement their objectives - which would require changing the law. The Muslim fanatics on the other hand are the great threat. |
Tamsier
Serere heritage. Serere religion. Serere to the end.
Roog a fa ha. |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
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Posted - 23 Oct 2009 : 00:43:40
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Watching the entire programme, Nick has been tackled so to put it. The controversy "to stage or not to stage" after all not worth it. It served a rather negative exposure for BNP . Not to let this pass go would have implied something different. Nick is exposed and so also his party. One thing is clear; Nick could not sell any party policy instruments on this very unfortunate occasion. Jack Straw concluded that the British people are now better views of BNP and would not expect the public get misled. |
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
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Posted - 23 Oct 2009 : 00:58:30
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'Having lived and worked in arab country predominantly muslim, i have been subjected to racism'
Tam,
Let me take you further. I was subjected to racism by the uninformed and their kids. The perpetrators have two things in common i.e. age bracket and mis-information. These were largely no-bodies. My colleagues respected me on the job and i showed them respect. I have been invited to their homes many times in dignity. In the office we had a christian amongst us from west africa, when it was ramadan both of us are often invited together even though he doesnt fast.
So Tam base your islamic hate and prejuidice on smthg more tangible. |
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tamsier
United Kingdom
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Posted - 23 Oct 2009 : 01:59:00
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Madiba,
You will keeping fooling yourself if you really believe that. I am sure your colleagues didn't respect you, they merely tolerated you. But of course do-gooders like you can't tell the difference. Karamba has raised a problematic issue [above] about muslims of different ethnicities. You even refused to acknoledge it properly. Even I [a none muslim], have been told the same thing by my African and Jamaican muslim friends. You on the other hand want to hide on the fake banner of Islamic brotherhood. These people you call your muslim brothers are only interested in you when it suits their purpose. But you are nothing to them.
My hatred of islam has been justified [with facts] on several instances. I refer you to the religious section. This dangerous religion muust be curtailed at whatever cost. It is the religion of the Arabs who do not even respect the life of their own people never mind the life of others. This is instilled in the Quran and practiced by many who believes what they have been told without doing their own research. This is the reason why I believe the muslim fanatics are the greater threat than the BNP. |
Tamsier
Serere heritage. Serere religion. Serere to the end.
Roog a fa ha. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 23 Oct 2009 : 02:23:15
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Originally posted by tamsier
My hatred of islam has been justified [with facts] on several instances. I refer you to the religious section. This dangerous religion muust be curtailed at whatever cost. It is the religion of the Arabs who do not even respect the life of their own people never mind the life of others. This is instilled in the Quran and practiced by many who believes what they have been told without doing their own research. This is the reason why I believe the muslim fanatics are the greater threat than the BNP.
WHY HATE ISLAM, WHY ISLAM IS DANGEROUS & WHAT ARE THE FACTS PLEASE JUSTIFY & REFER TO THE RELIGIOUS SECTIONS |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 23 Oct 2009 : 05:18:00
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kobo
I don't understand why you want to debate (logical discussion) with self-confessed hateful individual Tamsier. He or she will not be able be logical which is required for a logical debate. He or she hates. You ignore these kinds. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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tamsier
United Kingdom
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Posted - 23 Oct 2009 : 06:21:10
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Months ago, I told this dirty Arab-Turkish never to refer to me again. These common people unfortunately have no pride or honour and this one in particular seems to follow my postings like the dog he is. Jump to the pit of pardition and let the fire of your god swallow you whole - as well as all those that share your lineage. You are not worthy to refer to me. I do not deal with your kind.
Kobo,
'WHY HATE ISLAM, WHY ISLAM IS DANGEROUS & WHAT ARE THE FACTS'
As I said, I refer you to the religious section. In that section you will find all the arguments I have raised including evidence and sources about this religion. They are far too many and I have no intention of repeating myself here. |
Tamsier
Serere heritage. Serere religion. Serere to the end.
Roog a fa ha. |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 23 Oct 2009 : 06:50:41
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You got that right. My kind is superior to you. Your kind is sub-human.
Allow me to explain the difference between you and me.
You are a bigot. You are self-confessed bigot and racist. You can't hear any thing from me generalizing any race, religion, gender, ethnic group.
To me regardless of religion or race or ethnicity, human beings have equal chance to be good or bad.
You on the other hand have limited intellectual capacity that can't recognize human are equals regardless of religion, race and ethnicity. You are not able to do that, because you are not evolved yet.
YOu are one sick individual. The world would be much better without you.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 23 Oct 2009 : 07:10:16
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| This is just a question: Bin Laden has been quoted as saying that "the tragedy of Spain (referring to the glorious days of Islam in many parts of Europe) will not be repeated". Doesn't militant Islam has a mission in Europe (and elsewhere) today? |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 23 Oct 2009 : 07:28:43
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Kayjatta,
This is just question. Don't radical white extremist, evanagalist or ortodox jews have similar mission elsewhere? Do you think radicalism is only characteristics of Islam?
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
Edited by - turk on 23 Oct 2009 07:30:00 |
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