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MADIBA
United Kingdom
1275 Posts |
 Posted - 21 Oct 2009 : 14:30:40
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| Those muslims who screamed at the dutch politicans, where merely answering to his unreal fear that if its goes unchecked the muslims shall rule europe. It was merely a sarcasm. |
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lurker
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Posted - 21 Oct 2009 : 14:37:52
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rubbish too. sorry to say. sarcasm does not manifest itself in the form of hate mobs baying for blood . these are radicals - the religion is not relevant- who see their aim as taking over other realms and only Islam in their eyes can save the human race from the evils we westerners live by.
this is pure racism, based upon warped religious ideology.
let's face it, who would be surprised to see mr wilders head separated from his body on the streets of amsterdam?
a clear and present risk after he opened his mouth.
you said no-one come to other countries to enforce their religions/way of life.. you are wrong.
these people dont want to stop until europe is a caliphate and they have said it time and time again.
the black flag of islam hanging over number ten, - i think captian hook said that one.
point is, the scumbags on those council estates throw names. the bnp throw names and the occasional fist. these muppets throw semtex.
they are all pondscum. they are all racist. they are all people who terrorise innocents.
they are all people who live here. and a whloe load of them did choose to come live here, and were let in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 21 Oct 2009 : 16:17:39
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Thanks Lurker on rejoinder; "There is no race who come to britain to propagate their culture or religion. Thats also a lie. " or neither "Also, certain ethnic groups go to the West trying to force their religion or culture. This is not on." .
There are certain causes for over-reactions as manifested in recent demonstrations and protests in U.K
As for BNP they are a party without a cause, racist and initiated anti- Islam/Muslim proganda hate campaign to rally British support on a cheap ticket!
Can anyone tell me which religion is for west or for this country (U.K) We have christians, Buddists, Sirks, Hindu amongst other religions granted freedom of belief and practice. Therefore why not Islam and Muslim They attacking Muslims, Islam and anti-mosques from all fronts and media biased.
On a personal note I aggree with bill of health by Diversity watchdog on immmigration and multi-culturalism in U.K as one of the best in whole world! "I LOVE U.K AND PRAY FOR MORE PROSPERITY, PEACE & STABILITY" |
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
1275 Posts |
Posted - 21 Oct 2009 : 16:58:31
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Islam is a religion of peace. If there people hidng behind its name to do things, they should be judged solely on their individual merits. Sadly this not case with some myopic 'westerners'.
The immigrant communities, be they africans, arabs, asians came to britain becuase of one or all of the following: education, work, asylum.
When they were coming they had their culture and religions. If britain at the time accorded rights of freedom of worship etc to them, thats good. Now if these people are hesitant in adopting a strict british way of life , is that a crime? Britain is largely a liberal society, so as long as these people do not infringe on the rights of their hosts or otthers they should be left alone. anyone of them caught breaking any law of the land should be dealth with accordingly.
Lurker i re-interate here once again no-one, no-one i repeat left their shores for britain to propagate their culture or religion. The indians and carribean were intially brought for the reconstrcution after which they stayed, idem for the yemenis, wars brought the likes of somalis, iraqis, sri lankans, etc
So lurker keep ranting but its there staring right at your face. |
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lurker
509 Posts |
Posted - 21 Oct 2009 : 17:19:20
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ranting?
lol.
so , the imams imported from madrassas who come here( or anywhere in europe) to "educate" their progeny into radicalisation are coming for a sun/sea and sand holiday?
oh yes, and then there are the foreign students who make it their vocation to disseminate hatred and racism in the university campuses. They came for the bars and club scene? doh!
not only westerners, it appears, are "myopic". |
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tamsier
United Kingdom
558 Posts |
Posted - 21 Oct 2009 : 18:24:52
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Well said Lurker.
I have never/ever said there is no racism in the UK. The fact that I have never experienced it does not mean I refuse to acknowledge there is racism. To do so would be stupid.
'It is hypocritical when people preach africanism yet wat to live european'.
I have lived and work in different parts of the world [most of them in Africa]. In addition to that, I have done my bit in setting up businesses in both The Gambia and Nigeria [not many African countries I admit, but at least its a start], also supporter of charitable organisations in the African continent. Not many Gambian residents in the West can claim the same.
Yes! I always preach Africanism, will continue to do so and will always continue to back it up with actions rather than just words. That however does not mean I have to close my eyes and use the easy option by accusing everyone of being racist. There are indeed racists in the UK. The BNP and their followers are good examples, but the majority of the English do not support the BNP and in fact despise them. Now! If that is not what people want to hear, that is their problem not mine. I have always said ‘I do not do political correctness’ and have no intention of starting now. Instead of people also addressing certain ethnic group's desire to change the way of life of their host country, they choose to stay on the sidelines simply because they belong to the same religion. These are the people with the problem and as far as I am concerned, they are the hypocrites.
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Tamsier
Serere heritage. Serere religion. Serere to the end.
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 21 Oct 2009 : 19:28:56
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Racism in Britain runs on different directions. There are some nasty people who make loud noise about those they see as non British and resort to funny name calling.
People of Pakistan are some times worse racists than they want others to take English racists. It is common to hear very decent indigenous English people in full condemnation of racism. You only hear Pakistanis complain about racism when they are referred as as "Paki" or when they seek to have others join their racial concerns.
Racism played by Pakistanis and other non Black Muslims is the most filthy form of racism in UK. For example, in lot of mosques, Black Muslims are severely alienated by Pakistanis and other non Black Muslims.
These are the same people who only relate to Black Muslims as customers of their socalled Halal Meat and other continental foodstuff. They hate Blacks to the core.
The resentment you find with some of these is that some blacks do fairly well with White British and they can't understand the chemistry. They hate both Black and Whites in regards and use the name of Islam when some of them are not truly Islamic in strict sense.
We have to delineate the realities of Race Hate and Religious Bigotory. It is most disgusting when a race or social class of people stay in a host country yet choose antagonising others for self gain.
Halal Meat, Cereals, and other international food items do not contribute to racial or social harmony. English 'humourists' acting racial are different from Asian and Gulf bigots abusing the name of Islam to perpetuate Hate Life in UK. |
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lurker
509 Posts |
Posted - 21 Oct 2009 : 20:44:32
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karamba, eloquent, insightful, relevant and objective words indeed.
i have seen loads of interfaith bigotry based on racial origin and colour and you have outlined some of those divides well
truth be told,religion divides and destroys more than it unites.
every country has immigrants and some of them integrate and share and others ghetto-ise and refuse to take up indigenous harmonisation as a necessary part of their acceptance.
i worked in southall in london for 2 years.
it is the delhi or bombay of london.
90% of southall is "ethnic".
i was the only white uk man in the office of 30 people.
there were asians of 30 yrs in the Uk who could not say good morning in english.
why?
because they do not need to cos everyone and everything around them is not much different than delhi or bombay.
very nice for them, not so nice for the remaining indigenous locals who no longer find anything they recognise about their own country for them or their kids to hang on to or identify with.
how can this be right?
there has to be integration, language essentialism, limitation on free for all immigration and some kind of maintenace of sensibilities without appeasement to the the ethnic minorities for fear of reprisals or cries of discrimination.
but, unless this happens - and it clearly does not, then there are going to be people who turn to muppets like the Bnp out of anger and frustration - not out of hatred. it is obvious.
and in these ghettos, you see inter-immigrant hatred.
In hounslow, where i live, i am one of the few white ,english men in our road. most are asian, polish or russian or african.
we all basically co-exist well enough.
the "whites " left years ago.
my son of mixed race, is in the vast majority in his school.
the indians hate the pakistanis. the asians in general dislike west indians. the west indians feel repressed by the whites, but everybody seems to dislike the somalis! ( apparently a benefit issue!).
the gangs fight on the streets sometimes.
all racially-bound hatred and inter-ethnic. no indigenous gangs involved.
this is a hugely complicated social issue and is a direct result of careless, thoughtless, stupid, unplanned, open-door policies in immigration.
schools suffer, education becomes meaningless and useless and everything valued goes to seed.
the very things that half these folk came to the UK for.
the labour government has put back social relations in this country by decades.
yet, brits are tolerant on the whole and welcoming and forgiving.
until people like madiba admit there is a problem, widespread, insidious and pernicious - and especially admit that the sacrosanct muslim religion is as much involved in this as any aspect of the above, then no solution can evolve.
it is blatantly clear that people come here because of our liberties and freedoms and use (abuse) these rights to foment hatred and violence and discrimination and violence.
and this, madiba, includes muslims, alas for you.
there are evils bast ards in every section of humanity.
so do not patronise me with ranting and myopia and insularity because it is those very retarded views amongst the minorities which self-perpetuate the problems i have observed.
it is not pleasant to accept that your cherished love of Islam is used as a weapon by some of your brothers, and that the religion premised upon peace is twisted by fools into a diatribe of death and darkness.
do not be glib with me and tell me that the ranting hordes outside mr wilders conference were using sarcasm as a way of being humorous. how dumb do you think we are?
they hate...
the same as the bnp hates
the same as the sink estate pondscum hate..
but they hate with bombs.
who is myopic here?
open your eyes, bro, because until the good guys of islam do so, then their brothers will be unafraid to continue stoking the fires of discrimination in the UK and the sink estates and the bnp will be laughing all the way to the polling booths.
you cannot have it both ways.
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Janko
Gambia
1267 Posts |
Posted - 21 Oct 2009 : 23:16:12
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...and most of them from the M.East and the Gulf, they hate blacks even more when they are in Africa and within blacks, they just want blacks, as you very well stated, as buyers of the goods and to support them to get what they want. You got the nail on the head there
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Originally posted by Karamba
There are some nasty people who make loud noise about those they see as non British and resort to funny name calling.
People of Pakistan are some times worse racists than they want others to take English racists... Racism played by Pakistanis and other non Black Muslims is the most filthy form of racism in UK. For example, in lot of mosques, Black Muslims are severely alienated by Pakistanis and other non Black Muslims.
...only relate to Black Muslims as customers of their socalled Halal Meat and other continental foodstuff. They hate Blacks to the core.
They hate both Black and Whites in regards and use the name of Islam when some of them are not truly Islamic in strict sense.
We have to delineate the realities of Race Hate and Religious Bigotory.
Halal Meat, Cereals, and other international food items do not contribute to racial or social harmony.
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Clean your house before pointing a finger ... Never be moved by delirious Well-wishers in their ecstasy |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 22 Oct 2009 : 00:46:11
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Thank you Lurker and Janko,
When we examine the cause of religious antagonism, bigotry weighs heavier than anything. To an extent, you sound strange when as Black Muslim (born bred) you tell some of these bigots you are Muslim. They take it you have either converted recently or would not take you serious. You can read it without pain. It is written on their faces. There is so much to it than can easily be exhausted in a simple discourse. |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 22 Oct 2009 : 01:42:58
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WOW,(and I don't mean "yes"  !) Lurker,what a posting, everything covered,I posted earlier, and I must admit when things turned from racism to religion I thought I am not sufficiently into the subject as posters here are ,so from then on no discussion from me,your words sum up the feelings and thoughts of "the man on the Clapham omnibus" (an english saying that basically means the thoughts of the ordinary folk of the country).
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Originally posted by lurker
karamba, eloquent, insightful, relevant and objective words indeed.....
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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tamsier
United Kingdom
558 Posts |
Posted - 22 Oct 2009 : 02:56:24
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Karamba,
Thank you. I think you have raised important points that cannot be easily dudged. I have heard from my African and black Jamaican muslim friends said the same thing you have said. Anyone wants to take on these issues Professor Karamba has raised? |
Tamsier
Serere heritage. Serere religion. Serere to the end.
Roog a fa ha. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 22 Oct 2009 : 10:37:42
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Thanks Karamba and Lurker for those fair and balance comments on racism and religious bigotry.
Am happy to observed that Islam cannot be tarnished by its enemies as certain actions by so-called believers (CERTAIN MUSLIMS) of this great religion. Quotes from Lurker:-
it is not pleasant to accept that your cherished love of Islam is used as a weapon by some of your brothers, and that the religion premised upon peace is twisted by fools into a diatribe of death and darkness.
do not be glib with me and tell me that the ranting hordes outside mr wilders conference were using sarcasm as a way of being humorous. how dumb do you think we are?
they hate...
the same as the bnp hates
the same as the sink estate pondscum hate..
but they hate with bombs.
On "but they hate with bombs" , we all have responsibilities on bombs, war, bad policies, injustice, terrorism and social harmony.
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snuggels
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kayjatta
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Posted - 22 Oct 2009 : 12:30:12
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A really controversial speech, and I didn't read all of it... |
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