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toubab1020
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 Posted - 02 Jun 2009 : 18:20:11
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Ah.........Norway...a very liberal country I am given to understand. |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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serenata
Germany
1400 Posts |
Posted - 02 Jun 2009 : 20:28:40
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Thanks, Moe.
But I think even with a chain of evidence from Banjul to Tokyo, mansasulu would still insist on his slightly fascist opinion. |
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mansasulu
997 Posts |
Posted - 02 Jun 2009 : 21:19:39
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| My dear sister, I am probably more reasonable than you think I am... |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 03 Jun 2009 : 06:51:08
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quote:
Originally posted by kayjatta
Okay let me put it this way so Turk (and everyone) can understand what I am trying to say here:
1. Which of the following is the most serious offense in Islam?
a. murder
b. adultry/fornication
c. homosexuality
d. usury
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a. if anyone commits any of these offenses but still observes the five pillars of Islam (Iman, salat, Sawm Ramadan, Zakat, and maybe Hajj), is he/she still a Muslim or not? What qualifies one to be a Muslim? Do you have to be perfect to be a Muslim?
b. Is any of these imperfect people who nonetheless upholds the basic tenets of Islam eligible for burial in an Islamic community cemetery? Is it justifiable that their bodies are dug up by hooligans and thrown at their bereaved family and relatives?
Turk, Mansasulu, and those staunch opponents of gays could you please answer these questions for me? |
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mansasulu
997 Posts |
Posted - 03 Jun 2009 : 14:01:20
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| I would answer the questions if you don't know the answers to those questions. And frankly since you are competent enough, and I suspect that you know the answers to those questions it will be a waste of time to answer them. |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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toubab1020
12314 Posts |
Posted - 03 Jun 2009 : 14:24:30
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quote:
Originally posted by mansasulu
I would answer the questions if you don't know the answers to those questions. And frankly since you are competent enough, and I suspect that you know the answers to those questions it will be a waste of time to answer them.
You are not a politician AND Muslim Scholar are you? |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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mansasulu
997 Posts |
Posted - 03 Jun 2009 : 14:34:40
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| I am not a muslim scholar, but a student who is trying to learn more everyday. Compared to muslim scholars, I probably know less than the least learned muslim scholar has forgotten. I am not a politician either. |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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toubab1020
12314 Posts |
Posted - 03 Jun 2009 : 16:28:21
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quote:
Originally posted by mansasulu
I am not a muslim scholar, but a student who is trying to learn more everyday. Compared to muslim scholars, I probably know less than the least learned muslim scholar has forgotten. I am not a politician either.
I humbly apologize, I thought that you were a Muslim Scholar and not a student,your reply did appear to be made in language that would be of a type used by a politician.
I am happy that you set the record straight.I am no longer confused.
Thank you for the clarification. |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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toubab1020
12314 Posts |
Posted - 04 Jun 2009 : 00:47:15
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Originally posted by serenata
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Mansasulu, the question if someone is homosexual by choice or by nature is not a matter of what you personally believe, but a matter of proven facts. We know that there are even homosexual animals. If it is true what you 'believe' - what do you think, does a male cat say: "Wow, today I am going to be really bad and have sex with our neighbour's handsome tomcat!"?? And I don't 'believe' that there are homosexual animals - I saw it with my proper eyes.
If it is true that animals mostly act on natural instincts, and if you believe that homosexuality is unnatural, then there should not be one single homosexual (or bisexual) animal in this whole wide world.
Gay penguins hatch rejected egg
Wednesday, June 3 04:09 pm
Two homosexual penguins have successfully hatched an egg that was rejected by its parents and are now proudly rearing the chick, the German zoo housing the couple said on Wednesday. The Humboldt penguin is normally found on the coast of Chile and Peru Enlarge photo "Z and Vielpunkt, both males, gladly accepted their 'Easter present' and began straight away with hatching the egg," said the zoo in Bremerhaven, in northern Germany.
"Since the chick arrived they are behaving in the same way as one would expect a heterosexual couple to do. Both happy fathers are now diligently handling the everyday care ... of their adopted offspring," the zoo said.
Z and Vielpunkt are part of a six-strong gay community among the zoo's collection of endangered Humboldt penguins who rose to fame in 2005 when four Swedish females were brought in an unsuccessful attempt to "cure" them.
"Homosexuality is nothing unusual among animals," the zoo said. "Sex and coupling up in our world do not necessarily have anything to do with reproduction."
The Humboldt penguin is normally found on the coast of Chile and Peru, but numbers have dropped to between 12,000 and 20,000 as industrial fishing methods have led to dwindling stocks of the anchovies on which they feed.
Printed from http://uk.news.yahoo.com/18/20090603/tod-gay-penguins-hatch-rejected-egg-86d1698.html
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Edited by - toubab1020 on 04 Jun 2009 00:48:16 |
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kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 04 Jun 2009 : 07:22:33
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quote:
Originally posted by mansasulu
I would answer the questions if you don't know the answers to those questions. And frankly since you are competent enough, and I suspect that you know the answers to those questions it will be a waste of time to answer them.
I rest my case. |
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mansasulu
997 Posts |
Posted - 04 Jun 2009 : 15:22:29
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quote:
Originally posted by toubab1020
Gay penguins hatch rejected egg
Wednesday, June 3 04:09 pm
Two homosexual penguins have successfully hatched an egg that was rejected by its parents and are now proudly rearing the chick, the German zoo housing the couple said on Wednesday. The Humboldt penguin is normally found on the coast of Chile and Peru Enlarge photo "Z and Vielpunkt, both males, gladly accepted their 'Easter present' and began straight away with hatching the egg," said the zoo in Bremerhaven, in northern Germany.
"Since the chick arrived they are behaving in the same way as one would expect a heterosexual couple to do. Both happy fathers are now diligently handling the everyday care ... of their adopted offspring," the zoo said.
Z and Vielpunkt are part of a six-strong gay community among the zoo's collection of endangered Humboldt penguins who rose to fame in 2005 when four Swedish females were brought in an unsuccessful attempt to "cure" them.
"Homosexuality is nothing unusual among animals," the zoo said. "Sex and coupling up in our world do not necessarily have anything to do with reproduction."
The Humboldt penguin is normally found on the coast of Chile and Peru, but numbers have dropped to between 12,000 and 20,000 as industrial fishing methods have led to dwindling stocks of the anchovies on which they feed.
Printed from http://uk.news.yahoo.com/18/20090603/tod-gay-penguins-hatch-rejected-egg-86d1698.html
The last I heard and if my little knowledge in Science has any use...(help me here Kay) The term "HOMO" (in homosexual) relates to any member of the primate family and their close relatives. How it now applies to describe the alleged behaviour of penguins (a bird) and other lower animals shows how proponents of Homosexuality have gone in attempts to legitimize the acceptance of such an abnormal behaviour not befitting the behaviour of humans.
Furthermore, I found it very amusing that of all people Kayjatta is resting his case on the purported behavior of penguins!! |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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anna
Netherlands
730 Posts |
Posted - 04 Jun 2009 : 16:25:56
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Mansasula, you are making a mistake here: homo sapiens is Latin, but the 'homo' and 'hetero' as we see it in homosexual and heterosexual come from the Greek words 'homos'(meaning 'same, the same') and 'heteros'(meaning 'other'). Do you want me to explain further  ?
I don't think it was the pinguins' behaviour (thanks for that great story, T1020) that made Kay give up but that it was your answer, which was like 'why would i answer questions that you know the answer to' - a real stopper  . |
When an old African dies, it is as if a whole library has burnt down.
Amadou Hampate Ba (Mali) |
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mansasulu
997 Posts |
Posted - 04 Jun 2009 : 20:50:09
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Anna may I refer you to merriam-webster perhaps you may get my point.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/homo[1]
On your second point, which does not warrant a response but I will give you one anywhere since you volunteered to be Kayjatta's mouth piece...let the man defend himself...he is a big boy! |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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anna
Netherlands
730 Posts |
Posted - 04 Jun 2009 : 21:56:44
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Thank you, you are proving my point. The 'homo' you referred me to is the one like in 'Homo Sapiens', 'Homo Erectus' etc = the Latin version (in that category there is no such thing as Homo Sexual, haha). Doesn't matter if you don't believe me, Mansasula - it won't make me lose my appetite  .
I wasn't defending anyone, i was just trying to clear up a 'misunderstanding'. When you only have the written communication, you cannot be careful enough. |
When an old African dies, it is as if a whole library has burnt down.
Amadou Hampate Ba (Mali) |
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mansasulu
997 Posts |
Posted - 05 Jun 2009 : 06:09:04
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| Anna, my point is that the term "homo" is used in reference to human beings not any other family of animals. Therefore, all efforts to apply the term to other groups of animals including penguins is an attempt to legitimize homosexuality. |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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