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kayjatta

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Posted - 12 May 2008 : 12:17:40
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Religion has evolved a lot over the course of human history. It has developed from its simplest forms (still practiced in some isolated places) to its modern forms of Judaism, christianity and Islam (monotheism). Even Judaism, the oldest, and perhaps the offshoot of the three great religions, had vestiges of polytheism during the early phases of Moses's prophesy. Religion has been and and continues to be very important in shaping human civilization, and to ignore this fact is to cut oneself from history. Yet to ignore the supremacy of science today is equally to cut oneself from reality. This is not the 5th century. This is the 21st century where in the words of Pohling, the fate of both man and this world rest in the hands of man himself. Man has become both the creator and the destroyer... In that process what has become left of religion is its social value... |
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kobo

United Kingdom
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mansasulu

997 Posts |
Posted - 12 May 2008 : 14:54:54
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Tamsier, the more I read your postings the more I know that you are truly delusional. You need to quit pointing fingers are answer the questions. Prove to us that you are not being hypocritical in trying to tell others to follow religions indegineous to africa while you follow nothing or practice something else. Perhaps you are not understanding what Madiba and myself are trying to point out to you.
Furthermore, if religion is a private matter to you, then you have no right posting anything to do with religion. |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
Edited by - mansasulu on 12 May 2008 14:59:45 |
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MADIBA

United Kingdom
1275 Posts |
Posted - 12 May 2008 : 16:13:57
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If i may speak for my religion, Islam, it has not led to the lost of the african identity. Infact the missionaries or jihadists who spread the religion in sub-saharan african where africans in the like Elhaj Umar Taal, Usman Dan Fodio, Sheikh Ebrahim Niass etc etc. The Muslims didnt colonize any african country, infact these jihadist fought western imperialism.
Islam never asked africans to be ashmed of cooking and eating indigenous foods, sharing with their own, islam never told them that eating from calabashes is uncivilized, islam never told them leaders were irrelant or their clothes or ways or speaking etc were uncivilized.
Arabia like Africa before islam or christanity or judaism were pagans and hence living in darkness. Some of the despicable practises of the arabian pagans was to bury their baby girls. Thanks to Islam that barbaric practice was stopped. In africa too there were times were humans were sacrficed. But thanks to the 'foreign religions' and islam in paricular that these were abandoned.
Judaism, Christianity and Islam were meant to be universal religions abt a true God and monotheism.
Kay,
Many scientic discoveries have already be meantioned in the Quran.
Islam to an extent is not against science. In fact there were many pioneering muslim scientists such as Ibn Sina or Avicenna, Aljabr from whose name sprung the mathemical dsicipline Algebra. |
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tamsier

United Kingdom
558 Posts |
Posted - 12 May 2008 : 16:17:56
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Mansasulu, to repeat myself again, I have never forced anyone to follow a particular religion. You are the one who is delusional and needs therapy. Yes religion is a private matter for me, but it is not for you and people like you who wish to push their religion on people's faces. If you do that, I have every right to express an opinion. You are a lost soul who needs help. I feel sorry for you. I can see your teacher hasn't taught you any virtue or self worth at Daara.
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Tamsier
Serere heritage. Serere religion. Serere to the end.
Roog a fa ha. |
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mansasulu

997 Posts |
Posted - 12 May 2008 : 16:27:10
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Tamsier, may Allah guide you. That is all I am going to say. If following Islam is what you equate with "inferiority" or lack of self worth, then I am happy to follow a religion that freed millions of people from infanticide, oppression, slavery, and all other vices. At least, I am proud of what I believe in. I am not ashamed of my faith and I invite you to Islam so that you may be saved.
I am glad for those who made sure I receive the message of Islam. May Allah be pleased with them all. |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
Edited by - mansasulu on 12 May 2008 17:04:26 |
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tamsier

United Kingdom
558 Posts |
Posted - 12 May 2008 : 17:11:48
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| Mansasulu, dont put words into my mouth, I never said [or equated] those who follow islam are inferior. You are the one with the inferiority complex going by your postings - especially at page two' in this issue - that is what I was saying. You talk about slaves, even Tafsir Alhajie Omar Taal as well as Tafsir Amat Jahou Bah [Maba Jahou Bah] kept slaves, pillaged lands and massacred thousands. The same holds true for many well known muslim leaders in the old days. This just goes to show me you dont even know the history of your religion. Further, as far as my comment about your lack of self worth and virtue, I never said muslims / those who follow islam has no self worth or virtue, it was you I was talking about, again going by your postings. Since you used your faith to justify your ill-informed opinion, I told you your teacher hasn't taught you these qualities at Daara. When I wrongly quoted you, I apologised, I will now see whether you have any decency left in you to apologise not just for your herecy, but also for wrongly quoting me. |
Tamsier
Serere heritage. Serere religion. Serere to the end.
Roog a fa ha. |
Edited by - tamsier on 12 May 2008 17:29:49 |
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mansasulu

997 Posts |
Posted - 12 May 2008 : 18:04:17
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You implied that I have an "inferiority complex" because I abandoned my forefathers religion for a "foreign religion" (ISLAM). Now you tell me how I misquoted you.
If I followed my fore fathers indegenous religion rather that Islam, you will not be calling me as someone with an inferiority complex, would you? Perhaps, you can explain to me how I am having an inferiority complex if you still insist I am am quoting you wrongly.
By the way, what is your response to my invitation? |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
Edited by - mansasulu on 12 May 2008 18:11:42 |
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tamsier

United Kingdom
558 Posts |
Posted - 12 May 2008 : 18:20:14
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You are not the only one who had abandoned their forefathers' religion for a foreign religion, because if you were, then Senegambia for instance would be a majority animist. It was the language and content of your posting [that I will not glorify by repeating]that I had a problem with.
As regards to your invitation, you dont know whether I am already a muslim or not.
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Tamsier
Serere heritage. Serere religion. Serere to the end.
Roog a fa ha. |
Edited by - tamsier on 12 May 2008 18:26:19 |
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mansasulu

997 Posts |
Posted - 12 May 2008 : 18:44:14
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| You still have not responded to my invitation... |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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tamsier

United Kingdom
558 Posts |
Posted - 12 May 2008 : 19:16:04
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| Mansasulu, if you are so brain death to understand my posting - which if i may add was written in simple English [no jargons] then that is your problem. I take it you are still not going to apologise, are you? Is this normal practice for you and people like you? You are a waste or space - and I'm not going to pursue this issue with you any further. You have just shown yourself up. You are a disgrace. I can't believe we share the same ancestoral homeland. |
Tamsier
Serere heritage. Serere religion. Serere to the end.
Roog a fa ha. |
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mansasulu

997 Posts |
Posted - 12 May 2008 : 19:42:16
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| Apologise for being right about you? My ancestoral homeland is the least important thing to me so you dont have to worry about that. I dont care where I come from, what I care about is what I belief in. Please seek help!! |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
Edited by - mansasulu on 12 May 2008 20:06:55 |
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kayjatta

2978 Posts |
Posted - 12 May 2008 : 21:59:06
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quote: Originally posted by MADIBA
If i may speak for my religion, Islam, it has not led to the lost of the african identity. Infact the missionaries or jihadists who spread the religion in sub-saharan african where africans in the like Elhaj Umar Taal, Usman Dan Fodio, Sheikh Ebrahim Niass etc etc. The Muslims didnt colonize any african country, infact these jihadist fought western imperialism.
Islam never asked africans to be ashmed of cooking and eating indigenous foods, sharing with their own, islam never told them that eating from calabashes is uncivilized, islam never told them leaders were irrelant or their clothes or ways or speaking etc were uncivilized.
Arabia like Africa before islam or christanity or judaism were pagans and hence living in darkness. Some of the despicable practises of the arabian pagans was to bury their baby girls. Thanks to Islam that barbaric practice was stopped. In africa too there were times were humans were sacrficed. But thanks to the 'foreign religions' and islam in paricular that these were abandoned.
Judaism, Christianity and Islam were meant to be universal religions abt a true God and monotheism.
Kay,
Many scientic discoveries have already be meantioned in the Quran.
Islam to an extent is not against science. In fact there were many pioneering muslim scientists such as Ibn Sina or Avicenna, Aljabr from whose name sprung the mathemical dsicipline Algebra.
could you give details of some of those discoveries, Madiss? Thanks. |
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kondorong

Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 13 May 2008 : 00:16:11
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Kay
There are may scientific "discoveries" which are infact not discoveries and are found in the Koran. I just dont have the time to contribute but God Willing, i will. |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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MADIBA

United Kingdom
1275 Posts |
Posted - 13 May 2008 : 11:31:39
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Konds thanks for the rectification infact they are facts, which science later came to discover.
Kay
I am also a bit tied up but will surely give you those references now against the weekend by Allah's will. |
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