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Sea Urchin
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 Posted - 25 Mar 2006 : 15:19:45
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I totally agree with Taalibeh and some others: Itīs obvious this so called foiled coup was just an excuse for the president to get his political opponents out of the way some time before the elections so tha t they can not do their work.
Itīs obvious that Jammeh is an all through corrupt president and everybody would like to have a democratically and not corrupt president instead. But the question then arises: Is there any such person? |
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medotech
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Posted - 25 Mar 2006 : 16:42:01
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I think our biggest problem is focusing the democratization process on one person(the president)or his government.Democratizing a country or people is bigger than one man.We have to let it take root encompassing all aspects of socio-economic outlook.From the lay man in the street or poor farmer in the village to the rich and educated,from the civil service to the academia we have to sow the seeds of democracy and rule of law,then we would not have problems in dealing with people like Jammeh or the people who wanna overthrow him because they will never be accepted by a highly enlightened people,no matter what color or shade they try in justifying coups and corruption.
The most important lesson is deterence,when a man,(any man or woman)knows that they will be accountable for their actions no matter which government is in power.So we should try to sow the seeds of democracy deep in our culture and look at it as bigger than just getting rid of Jammeh. |
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babygirl
United Kingdom
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Posted - 25 Mar 2006 : 17:43:15
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| i was present in Gambia for the first coup and the "so called counter coup" ....... n im believin this is another "so called coup" ....in other words absolute rubbish! an excuse to arrest people that worry him!! i remember all the arrests after the first coup n even now there has been no explanation or reasons... my prayers are with those that have been arrested!! Jammeh is obviously runing scared with an election due. |
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
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Posted - 25 Mar 2006 : 19:57:50
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| Hi fellow gambians and friends of The Gambia. Lets face the fact. The fact is from my point of view is that, some of us are yearning for a change of leadership but the coup is not the right way. Remember the repercussions are waiting , sanctions, travel advice etc, international isolation. As for the veracity of the coup. Yes, indeed it was. The elctions are round the corner and these soldiers could have joined the crusade in more civilized by voting for the opposition of their choice. Voting is by secret ballot. So lets stopping ignoring the facts. We want no more coups period.Lets learn from the Benin republic! |
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Gatekeeper
USA
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Posted - 25 Mar 2006 : 20:49:22
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| This is just another attempt by Jammeh to weed out his purported enemies by staging yet another dramatic smoke screen to convince the Gambian people of his lame intentions. Let me remind you that this is not the first time that he has used this tactic to annihilate his enemies. |
PEOPLE SHOULD NOT BE AFRAID OF THEIR GOVERNMENTS. GOVERNMENTS SHOULD BE AFRAID OF THEIR PEOPLE.BJ |
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justice
United Kingdom
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Posted - 26 Mar 2006 : 07:23:30
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| Jammeh can fool some people some time but not all the people all the time and one thing he can't stop is time if and when his time comes or boy he will be out like the wind that comes out of his ass.Mighty Gambians are tired of Jammehs'silly tactics and won't believe in anything his says.The guy is just a big coward period. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 26 Mar 2006 : 13:58:17
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| Am of the opinion that this alleged coup has been another tactical plan of Jammeh and his cohorts. He knows how to handle Gambians by capitalising of their weaknesses of cowardice, opportunism, lack of patriotism because of their discords of their political views and sense of tribalism. Let me not remind you that he topled a legitimate democratically elected government and politicise to promote himself as a genuine leader. Where is the accountability, transparency, democracy when we have adictator who always manipulate to create a terrifying situation for everybody considers security and forget about other demanding issues. It is legitimate if you rule by arms and dictaorship we expect some highly intelligent soldiers to make similar sacrifices when situation warrants it. HOwever in this situation Jammeh is aware that his position is threaten as there are lots of very sober soldiers who are aware of the politcal situation in the Gambia. He is left with no option but trying to clinch on the newly form ruling council of the Mauritanians to franchise his personal security as he does not trust any close aides who where with him during July 22nd. He had lost the security agents of bot Libya and Turkish etc and wanted to recuit in such a classic situation from Mauritania. Daba Marenah Director General of NIA was with him but get included when he return. He travel and then decided to undermine his security agents to weed out certain elements and business as usual tribalism; Lang Tombong? Harry Sambou (his uncle)? |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 26 Mar 2006 : 14:20:35
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| Foiled coup? Some always think about sanctions to follow but is it not sanctions if there are similar economic and political crises to remain for another term of Jammeh's administration? If we apply what is good for the goose is good for the ganda; as Jawara became history Jammeh deserve to be accountable of his terror and corrupt regime. A state is a state but not somones own house. Gambia is for all Gambians; not that Jammeh is unique and owns Gambia or that he is a Saint who is clean and above the law. Brothers in arms and intellectuals, please reflect on these. Yanks, Edward, Lang ; guys are you not fit to occupy Kanilai state house? |
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bread man
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Posted - 26 Mar 2006 : 19:09:35
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| It will be of no use to have another military junta with a different development program to last another 12 years. Jammeh is ofcourse not a saint, he is far from it. However, I believe that having a change of government by force will not do us any good. We fought so hard to get to this level of democratization, so lets try to get some one with brains at the state house and hope he uses it with the sense of intelect that Jammeh lacks. Jammeh was a soldier and is still one, and being an officer in the army also sometimes includes leadership trainings. The difference is that soldiers are trained to see results at the spot. This is how Jammeh is running the state. He wants a school, he builds a school. (without teachers). He wants a hospital, he builds one, (without docters). He wants roads, he builds roads with a falling economy and a sky rocketing gas price. So this is how he knows how to operate as a soldier. "Dig a hole to hide during war and donīt care who falls into it after the war." But the next person that comes will upgrade all this facilities and develop our economy. Sopls no military man again. |
It is the mark of intelligence to entertain an idea without accepting it. |
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Sea Urchin
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Posted - 26 Mar 2006 : 23:11:38
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I just want to say that I feel really hopefull about Gambias future. I say this, because hope is what I feel when I see all the wise words that you, all fellows contributing to this page, are writing. You are all good thinkers and also good listeners (readers), and that gives me hope for the future.
I think that we all agree on that Jammeh is a corrupt and not very capable leader. We also agree on that a military coup is not a good solution. The changes must be carried out in a democratic way, otherwise there is no future for the people of Gambia. There is no use in changing from one dictator to another. Nobody wants that. Many people in Gambia is also very dependent on tourism to make their living. A coup, and the instability that will follow from that, will seriously damage the tourism sector. Tourists are very easily scared, wich makes them choose another place for their vacations. If Gambia could stay stable and work against a more democratic governing, then there will be great opportunities for the tourism sector. Just think about it... Many tourists are scared to go to arabic countries because different kinds of terrorism threats. That means tourists are looking for other places to go. If Gambia stays stable, this will be one of the places that tourists will choose.
Another thing: Democracy can not be gained quick and easy. You have to learn to work in democratic ways. You have to educate people of the country in how to be democratic. People are not used to democracy, witch means they easily fail, by using for example corruption instead. Democracy is not only a way to rule a country, it is also a state of mind among itīs citizens. You have to learn democracy, you have to deserve democracy. It is a process that never stops. Democracy always has to be defended, it will always be threatened by undemocratic forces.
Good luck for the future, all fellow Gambians!
/Sea Urchin |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 27 Mar 2006 : 00:52:53
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| Am sorry to say that the pointers are not there for several decades to come under this present leadership and politicla climate. Am just very realistic that this is police state since after the take-over. Look, how the state organs are being manipulated to serve only one person's interest who conslolidates himself into power always by forceful means. The N.I.A is neither a national institution but a National Initiator of terror and torture as we done have the professionalism to carry out intelligence and investigative operations in the interest of common Gambia; to serve without fear and favour and uncover all corrupt practices at all levels of society. The political field is not yet clear for a free and fair elections as thre is lack of political maturity at all levels of society. Civil servants are being mobilised during campaining sessions and political appointments made. The dream is yet to be realised and the only option left is to sacrifice another short transistion. Good luck brothers! |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 27 Mar 2006 : 01:42:17
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Originally posted by medotech
I was just litening to the BBC and understand that there was a folde coup in Gambia yesterday with a number of high profile military officers arrested.It was reported that president Jammeh had to hurry up cutting short a trip to mauritania.Does any one have more info about this?
Well, I have just returned from The Gambia and was there during the coup,there were some extra military checkpoints set up but in general all was quiet.I don't intend to add anymore to this post other than to tell you what I know for a fact |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
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Posted - 27 Mar 2006 : 02:48:44
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Greeting Guys the roamer mill is milling. I was in Gambia when the foiled coup attempt occurred Gambia was undisturbed and people were going about their everyday business. Also vendors were openly selling The Point, Independent and Forayaa. I even saw someone wearing a NADD T-shirt. I don't know whether or not you are aware that there is a climate of reconcillation within the country between the political parties at present as seen in the newspapers President Jammeh embracing Jawara this can only be a good thing. For Gambia and Africa as a whole. This is a positive step in the right direction, so why are so many people trying to whip up so much confusion? Let's pray for peaceful and fair elections. The last thing Gambia needs is a coup, let the people have the opportunity to decide through the ballot box and whatever the outcome hopefully this time around the people will be represented on both sides of the National Assembly after all that is a measurement of a mature ethical democrate mechanism.
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 27 Mar 2006 : 08:24:41
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Originally posted by kobo
Am sorry to say that the pointers are not there for several decades to come under this present leadership and political climate. Am just very realistic that this is police state since after the take-over. Look, how the state organs are being manipulated to serve only one person's interest who conslolidates himself into power always by forceful means. The N.I.A is neither a national institution but a National Initiator of terror and torture as we don't have the professionalism to carry out intelligence and investigative operations in the interest of common Gambia; to serve without fear and favour and uncover all corrupt practices at all levels of society. The political field is not yet clear or level for a free and fair elections as thre is lack of political maturity at all levels of society. Civil servants are being mobilised during campaining sessions and political appointments made. Jammeh is very ready for it by fortifying himself at Kanilai. He is playing a deadly game of chess and must reap the consequences if outplayed by a good opponent. The dream is yet to be realised and the only option left is to sacrifice another short transistion. Good luck brothers and sisters!
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Janyanfara
Tanzania
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Posted - 27 Mar 2006 : 17:19:23
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Hi fellas,
I believe any sensible human minded peace loving being, would not advocate for a coup in his/her dear mother land. The Gambian with another coup attempt doesn't tell well the peace and stability our leader are trying to make us believe we have. Also our international reputation will be at stake.I personally would report any one I know who want to stage a coup in the Gambia no doubt about that for I am totally against undemocratic take overs.What ever way they may have been achieved.
THAT IS WHY I SHALL NEVER SUPPORT JAMMEH EVEN IF HE MAKES FLYING MICROLIGHTS TO TRAVEL THE COUNTRY FREE.I hate coups and my believe is, that is why we are seing what is happening from time to time.
How many times has Jammeh been attempted on?The way he came is the way he they are trying on him.
Now be the judge who are guilty?Jammeh or his attempters?
I believe the thousands who (so called)supports Jammeh today would have insulted HIM openly if he instead in 1994 had thrown off his military uniform to stand against then president Jawara for president without coups.
My friends that is real hypocrecy, yet we called our selves muslims and christians.I remember the people of foni were insulting Yaya's very own blood cousin when he stood for PDOIS against Alkali James Gaye.I used to go to Bwaim, Kankuntu,and even Kaninlai with that friend.(He died in the US).But people of foni refused to listen to him calling him a foreigner.I believe if my friend(name witdheld) had been alive,he would have gone unoposed.What a life.Oh Gambia.Poverty and dirty politics.
Now because he is in power forcefully,undemocratically,people have forgotten that he is no other than a rebel who faught against the will of the people.
I believed if I had been as gready as some,I was going to be in Jammeh's inner circle today....Those who knew me well,knows I cannot do that even for my own brother if he had removed a government undemocratically.
Mankajang Janyanfara. |
Edited by - Janyanfara on 27 Mar 2006 17:24:08 |
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