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Alhassan
Sweden
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 Posted - 14 Sep 2007 : 09:49:10
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gambiabev,
I retain my opinion about the US and their allies as terrorists and murders of inocent people. Looking at Bagdag today and seeing children bying because of lack of medicine and others in Afganistan and other US war fronts, I cry. The Us and their allies want independant people to be dependant on them. This is the reason nothingels. Irak was not dependant on food or medication before the city was beautiful but look at it today. I might have admiration för Tony Blair Bush but not me. The reasons for the Irak war is OIL and OIL and nothingmore. No weapons of mass distruction, that is why there is too much of sucide bombers too. The division we see among the people of Irak today is strange. |
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Sibo
Denmark
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Posted - 14 Sep 2007 : 09:51:58
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I am simply trying to understand the american way of thinking and why this whole thing is so important to them. When other nations do no seem to care about Iraq, why do US. I am just trying to figure things out. And yes I am almost 23 years, 2 weeks away from it.
But I totally disagree with Alhassan. He is justifying terrorist acts and I think thats wrong |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 14 Sep 2007 : 10:05:13
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| Sibo , where were you on 911 ? If you can can visualize that day , you will understand why the war on terror which has shifted to Iraq is so important to U.S. Germany, Russia and France who opposed the war did so because they were not directly targeted by terrorists and they were protecting their economic interest in Iraq. Each of these countries had big business dealings with Iraq at the time . |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 14 Sep 2007 : 10:48:56
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Sibo, Mr. Kay
May I interrupt?
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The answer is simple "STRATEGIC IMPORTANCE".
You are right, but not very specific. I have even simpler answer. The answer is 'Oil'. No? However, you sounds like justifying defensing the iraq invasion. Sounds like imperialist to me. But your logic is flawed.
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Also the dictatorship in Iraq under Saddam Hussein is known for violent repression by using chemical weapons on Kurds and other groups that disgree with him.
First of all, how did you get this information? May I remind you rumseld visit to iraq and french connection to selling weapons to iraq in the name of Saddam's heroic war against iraq. West sold the chemical weapons. What they are saying is, "I will sell the weapons. I sell it because you can use it against iranian, however, when you use it I may use it against u". So yankees are responsible for the saddam's use of chemicals. But, they supply the weapons, i guess they supply not for experiement done in iraqi high school. And now, these chemical weapons they sell, is the valid reason to attack them. Sorry but your illogical reasoning killing me here. I want to understand why you are omiting the historical events when you make ridiculous statements like that. Saddam has not used the chemical against other groups disagreeing him? Or tell us what the world don't know.
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Saddam's government has also been known to be vigorously pursuing nuclear weapons in addition to widely believed "stock piles of chemical and biological weapons"
Oh yeah. They got that information from the some acedemic report? Have you ever watching news. Or you only watch fox? The nuclear weapons info is the intelligent british got from some civilian report? There is no fact whatsoever saddam pursuing nuke. If there is prove the resource.
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(the stock pile theory turned out to be wrong because they had been destroyed),
Huh. Last time I checked, UN weapon inspector stated that there is not bio. Powell showed some satalite photos that embarrased him later on that there is no little clue that saddam has bio weapon. Unless you consider, toothpaste factory as a bio stuff.
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Saddam refused to comply with dozens of U.N. resolutions to allow inspectors to verify his weaponry. He continously gave the impression to the world that he still had weapons of mass destruction.
Wrong buddy. UN inspector blix, reported that Iraq no WMD. US invade whole country, they could not find anything. Why are you still stubornly try to convince everyone who knows the truth that he had WMD. Even americans admits there is no WMD. Even bush the dubya admitted there is no WMD.
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Saddam's regime has also been link to terrorists due to the presence of Al Zaqawi in Iraq and Saddam's bank rolling of families of suicide bombers in a post 911 world.
What link. Saddam was the enemy of Osama. He was not religious man. He was the most secular leader in the middleeast. Iraq was secular society. They are baas. Baas is a socialist nationalist party. How is he linked to radical islam. I mean you are telling things that don't make any sense. Al-Zaqawi in iraq appear after the yankee invasion. So stop giving misleading information. Zaqawi was not even exist before the invasion. You confused buddy.
Suicide bombers. That is an insult. You think muslims are lunatics that will kill themselves for the money. Would you kill yourself for money. I am sure no. But what makes muslim would do that? And where do you get this informaiton. Because yankees and israelis say so. WHy do you believe such info?
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Since "self preservation is the first law of nature" ,U.S. , like any other country , Germany , France , the U.K. , Russia , etc will act in its own best interest (all other factors being equal). U.S. happened to be one of the countries that believe that the only way to have lasting peace in the middle-east
Your ceteris-paribus logic does not make iraqi invasion right. Lasting peace. Is there peace now. Middleeast becaming more and more violant due to yankees and their imperial policies.
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That is why Iraq has to have a system of government that recognizes all its citizens; likewise Afghanistan. Egypt , Saudi Arabia , and Jordan (U.S.'s traditional allies in the Mid-east) are also being pushed to effect democratic reforms.
Another lie. US does not want democratic governments in middleeast. If there is a democracy in Egypt, anti-american islamic brotherhood would take over the egypt. No, yankees do not want Egypt to be democracy. If there was a democracy, osama and fundamentalist would take over in Saudi arabia. that is why yankees do not want democracy in saudi arabia. Jordan. If there was a democracy, islamic fundamentals and palestinian who live in jordan as refugee would take over and Jordan would withdraw the peace treaty with israel. So your statement is false. Yankees do not want democracy. They want puppet regimes.
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Do you remember when Reagan bombed Lybia in 1986 because of Gaddaffi's involvement in international terrorism ? Now look at Lybia coming back on the world stage after denouncing terrorism
What make you so sure that Libya involved internation terrorism. Because yankees said so. So whatever they say is true.
Yeah US bombed sudanese factory too. Did UN later apologized doing so? No? So Libya denounce terrorism, because yankees bombed them. Maybe Libya always denounce terrorism and never involved terrorism? No?
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 14 Sep 2007 : 10:52:28
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sibo
Well there is nowhere in quran supporting terrorism. Terrorism is wrong. Period. No one should support it. We must condemn it.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 14 Sep 2007 : 11:04:50
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Alhassan
Sweden
813 Posts |
Posted - 14 Sep 2007 : 12:13:43
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Originally posted by kayjatta
Sibo , where were you on 911 ? If you can can visualize that day , you will understand why the war on terror which has shifted to Iraq is so important to U.S. Germany, Russia and France who opposed the war did so because they were not directly targeted by terrorists and they were protecting their economic interest in Iraq. Each of these countries had big business dealings with Iraq at the time .
kayjatta,
Did any of the said 9/11 plane higjackers from Irak? Why not attack Saudi where some of the guys came from or the other countries?
The US also said they had proofs that the money that fininced these peoples liv in the US came from Saudi, why not punish Saudi but Irak? |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 14 Sep 2007 : 12:37:04
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where were you on 911 ? If you can can visualize that day
For several muslims, that is a daily action.
Kay
I thought you would answer some of my questions. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 14 Sep 2007 : 12:43:19
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You know Saudis are traditional allies of U.S. the Saudi government is complying with the war on terror . The Saudis are a target of terrorists too , and the government of Saudi is not sympathetic to the terrorists cause even though some saudi individuals may support and finance terrorists. U.S has a large military base in Saudi to protect that country from external aggression. Many Islamic militants disapprove this , claiming that "infidels" should not be allowed to taint the "holy" land. This is part of the reason that people like Bin Laden came into being.
My response to Sibo's question above answered the question of Iraq being a good candidate for invasion after 911 ; if you do not mind referring to that. |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 14 Sep 2007 : 13:04:58
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but kayjatta
You are flip floping. What happened the 'idea' promoting democray. With the last post you just admit all the hypocracy of yankees wants democracy, the truth is as long as puppet regime, that is ok. That is contradiction to your theory. You disprove your own theory.
Your theory 1: Yankees support democracy.
Your theory 2: Yankees support most anti-democratic regime in middleeastern.
See the contradiction? |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Alhassan
Sweden
813 Posts |
Posted - 14 Sep 2007 : 13:05:51
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Originally posted by kayjatta
You know Saudis are traditional allies of U.S. the Saudi government is complying with the war on terror . The Saudis are a target of terrorists too , and the government of Saudi is not sympathetic to the terrorists cause even though some saudi individuals may support and finance terrorists. U.S has a large military base in Saudi to protect that country from external aggression. Many Islamic militants disapprove this , claiming that "infidels" should not be allowed to taint the "holy" land. This is part of the reason that people like Bin Laden came into being.
My response to Sibo's question above answered the question of Iraq being a good candidate for invasion a/11fter 911 ; if you do not mind referring to that.
kayjatta,
I asked some questions . Still here comes it agait.
Why was Irak a target if not only for the Oil? There were other countries who had citizens but they were never attacked, why?
Then is it the ordinary Saudians who do not support the American base? I find it difficult to be on the Yankee side. |
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kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 14 Sep 2007 : 13:09:52
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| You know Turk you were being very emotional , I didn't want to get into that. But if you want us to calmly and rationally discuss/argue facts and issues I am here... |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 14 Sep 2007 : 13:17:04
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Kayjatta
I agree about the passion. But can you please refer where am I irrational? I thought I am debating facts and issues? |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 14 Sep 2007 : 13:22:12
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It is preposterous to argue that U.S. invaded Iraq for the oil. Is the Iraqi oil going to America ? The Saudi citizens who resent U.S. military base in Saudi are mostly the Saudi dissidents who already despise the Saudi government for being corrupt and out of touch . These are largely people influenced by radical, puritanist Islamic theology.
You see compliance is key here , Alhassan. Look at Pakistan where most of the terrorists do their training . They are not attacked because from day one Pakistan is doing its best in fighting terror...
I am gonna have a weekend , talk to you guys Monday morning. |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 14 Sep 2007 : 13:37:57
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kayjatta
Hmmm. Quick question. In 2025 oil demand from China and India will doubled. Saddam indicated that he would get EURO instead of Dollar. Further he would deal oil to China and India. Notice all of the Gulf oil, except Iran is under US control. If you control oil, you pretty much have a lots of pressure on Chinese and Indian Economy. It is not about 'if oil is to America'. It is about Oil not going to China and India. Is it still preposterous?
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The Saudi citizens who resent U.S. military base in Saudi are mostly the Saudi dissidents who already despise the Saudi government for being corrupt and out of touch .
Do you mean, resentment to US army to be in our holly land by only radicals? Hmmm. That is interesting. So it takes being lunatics and radicals to want foreing occupiers out of one's land? That means, yankees were radicals when they fight against british army in a few hundered years ago?
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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