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kayjatta
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 Posted - 22 Aug 2007 : 13:36:49
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| If it is a question of faith , then I agree with you guys that abortion is declared wrong by religion (subject to interpretation ), but that is not my point of reference... |
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Sibo
Denmark
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Posted - 22 Aug 2007 : 14:05:49
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Thanks guys..
I have read the article. If abortion is legal then why are they being dagged to court??
The article does not have much info. Who sued them, who and why did they do the abortion???? these infos shoul be in the article.
I really do not think abortion should be totally illegal anywhere. There should be exceptions and the circumstance under which the woman gets pregnant shoud also be considered greatly. This whole issue about abortion is very sentitive. |
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che
South Africa
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Posted - 22 Aug 2007 : 14:46:07
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| Declaring abortion totally illegal,has untoward effects.They are circumstances,such as pregnacy from rape.That individual should hardly be expected to carry that baby for a full course of pregnancy.From a human rights point of view,options should be provided for ladies. |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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Posted - 24 Aug 2007 : 17:39:57
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I have just read on DO that a nurse has been jailed for two years for carrying out an illegal abortion. This seems very harsh. The girl was a year 10 pupil and the 'baby' was 2 months gestation. Apparently he 'acts as a doctor' at home. So presumably there is a need for this service in the community. It is very sad to think of young girls going through this experience in poor conditions. It is very dangerous too.
Has it been clarified what the position is in The Gambia to abortions? When is it possible to have one legally? How much is charged for illegal ones? What is the position of the mosque and the church in Gambia on this matter? |
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njucks
Gambia
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Posted - 24 Aug 2007 : 22:04:55
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Originally posted by leokat
On a personal level, based on my own moral tenets .....
morality is deeply influenced by religion and culture? i think the fundamental question we should also ask is what is life and when does it start.
then concerning abortion we can ask if its a moral issue or an ethical one.
since it is the Law that makes its legal or illegal, then the law must define life first.
its the same issue with Euthanaesia, there the question is when does life end agianst when it begins with Abortion. |
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Eve
Gambia
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Posted - 27 Aug 2007 : 18:49:06
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Originally posted by kayjatta
Thanks Bev. Love you too  . I have stated in one of my unpublished poems that " abortion is not wrong , the events that lead to it are wrong". And what I mean is that abortion should be considered in the broad socio-economic context. People do not do abortion out of pleasure ; if many of the ills in our society such as poverty , gender inequality , poor education , etc are contained there will be less need for abortion.
"She who feels it knows it".
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kayjatta
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Posted - 28 Aug 2007 : 10:11:26
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| Eve , don't you think Bev. and I got something going ? No frankly she is a smart lady and her ideas resonate with me a lot. That's just about it. It's all on the Bantaba... |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
3091 Posts |
Posted - 28 Aug 2007 : 10:13:57
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A 'meeting of minds' that is all! 
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sisay
48 Posts |
Posted - 28 Aug 2007 : 16:06:01
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I wonder if some of you pro-choice people could expand on the situations that should be allowable for abortion. Sometimes one has to be specific because the details can make a difference (just as you said with age of fetus).
I will present 3 initial scenarios. I hope others will present more because it will allow a more fuller exploration of this topic.
Scenario 1: A 13 year old girl gets pregnant from her 14 year old boyfriend.
Scenario 2: A 16 year old girl is pregnant after being raped by a family member. She took a long time to find out she is pregnant and was in denial of this possibility, due to the shame. She is now 13 weeks pregnant.
Scenario 3: A woman who is 9 weeks pregnant finds out her baby will be born with a severe developmental disability which will leave it crippled and it will never have intellectual capacity past that of a 7 year old. There are 6 other children in the family. The family relies on both parents' combined income. |
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sab
United Kingdom
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Posted - 28 Aug 2007 : 16:24:50
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Isn’t scenario 2 & 3 already covered by The Gambia Abortion laws?
www.pregnantpause.org/lex/world02.jsp
Maybe scenario (1) will come under preserve mental health.
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The world would be a poorer place if it was peopled by children whose parents risked nothing in the cause of social justice, for fear of personal loss. (Joe Slovo - African revolutionary) |
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njucks
Gambia
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Posted - 28 Aug 2007 : 21:11:51
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Originally posted by sab
Isn’t scenario 2 & 3 already covered by The Gambia Abortion laws?
www.pregnantpause.org/lex/world02.jsp
Maybe scenario (1) will come under preserve mental health.
Sab very good link.....v .good
for the Vatican everything is no and in the US every thing is Yes. UK like the gambia dont allow it for rape cases.?? (Scen.2).
i think we should update our laws. However we are better than Senegal and say Congo where its very relevant due to conflict and certain abuse by UN peacekeepers. |
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kiwi
Sweden
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Posted - 28 Aug 2007 : 22:02:31
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It´s shocking that abortion in case of rape or incest is not permitted in so many countries, that is the sign of utmost cruelty to the woman. If the facts are correct. The land map, http://www.pregnantpause.org/lex/world02map.htm, is not. The purple colour is supposed to stand for ”Abortion legal at any time during pregnancy for any reason”. I doubt if it is legal at any time in any country, at least not in Sweden. It´s a woman´s free choice to the 18th week.
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sisay
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Posted - 29 Aug 2007 : 09:24:26
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If the question is if abortion is murder or if it should be legal in certain circumstances, then that webpage is not very relevant. It only gives a kind of crude summary of the laws in most countries. I also agree this summary is very inaccurate on most counts. Most countries will not allow abortion during the 3rd trimester of pregnancy.
Even if the law in Gambia or overseas opposes abortion purely for economic reasons or because of rape, it doesn't account for a situation with a number of combined factors. Such as scenario 3, where there is severe physical and mental defects as well as economic reasons. What about if the pregnancy in scenario 3 was also the product of a gruesome rape?
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sisay
48 Posts |
Posted - 29 Aug 2007 : 09:45:42
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Some more food for thought:
Islamic teachings on abortion
Muslims regard abortion as wrong and haram (forbidden), but many accept that it may be permitted in certain cases.
These cases are when the continuation of pregnancy would put the mother's life at risk. This would even in many cases allow abortion after 120 days of pregnancy.
Some schools of Muslim law permit abortion in the first 16 weeks of pregnancy, while others only permit it in the first 7 weeks.
The Qur'an does not explicitly refer to abortion but offers guidance on related matters. Scholars accept that this guidance can properly be applied to abortion.
Islam allows abortion to save the life of the mother because it sees this as the 'lesser of two evils' and there is a general principle in Sharia (Muslim law) of choosing the lesser of two evils.
Abortion is regarded as a lesser evil in this case because:
- the mother is the 'originator' of the foetus
- the mother's life is well-established
- the mother has duties and responsibilities
- the mother is part of a family
- allowing the mother to die would also kill the foetus in most cases
The Qur'an makes it clear that a foetus must not be aborted because the family fear that they will not be able to provide for it - they should trust Allah to look after things.
If it is confirmed in the early period of pregnancy that a foetus suffers from a defect that can't be treated and that will cause great suffering to the child, a number of scholars would say that it is permissible to abort, provided that the pregnancy is less than 120 days old.
Some scholars state that abortion where the mother is the victim of a rape or of incest is permissible in the first 120 days of the pregnancy. Bosnian women raped by Serbian soldiers were issued a fatwa allowing them to abort within the 120 day mark. A similar fatwa was issued in Algeria.
This demonstrates that Islamic law has the flexibility to be compassionate in appropriate circumstances.
Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/islam/islamethics/abortion_1.shtml |
Edited by - sisay on 29 Aug 2007 09:50:20 |
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Santanfara
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Posted - 29 Aug 2007 : 10:13:35
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| sisay ,that was a good link .also try to lay your hand on the book ''evolution of figh '.this tell you in detail how flexible the islamic legal system is and how circumstances can allow for what is not acceptable in most cases be allowable in specific instances . |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
www.suntoumana.blogspot.com |
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