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leokat
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 22 Aug 2007 : 12:07:11
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On a personal level, based on my own moral tenets rather than any religious affiliation, I believe that:
Yes, for me personally, abortion is murder. This applies no matter what the circumstances.
In addition, I believe that any form of contraception (e.g. the coil) where use may result in the expulsion of a fertilised egg also constitutes murder. However, I am not against natural (the rhythm method) barrier (condoms, the cap)and chemical (the pill)methods of contraception. For me life begins at the moment of conception and is 'sacred' from that moment onwards.
But I also believe that it is a basic right of every child to feel and BE loved and wanted, and to have it's emotional and physical needs met. It is not enough to protect the right to life without a total commitment to nurture and protect the resulting child. Therefore, I also believe that it is a woman's right to choose. |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 22 Aug 2007 : 12:12:41
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| Leo , your ideas seem to overlap and contradict... |
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Dalton1
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Posted - 22 Aug 2007 : 12:14:10
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Senior man Kay,
We would have to agree to disagree on this one. I am suspended in seeing the act as the most cruel crime on earth, if not done for health reasons. probably, that's me. life doesn't have to do with choice, it's God's choice to "bring" and "take" life. Our choice (You and I), is to live and let live, peacefully. Think of all the wrong heads working around. Think of an unborn baby, so innocent, how that sound?
I CANNOT COMPROMIZE TO ACCEPTING ABORTION; AND I AM GLAD I AM. but i like the threadings, though, openly disagree with the opposite views. |
"There is no god but Allah (SWT); and Muhammad (SAW)is His last messenger." shahadah. Fear & Worship Allah (SWT) Alone! (:
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Santanfara
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Posted - 22 Aug 2007 : 12:18:25
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| leo ,i aggree with you to some extend ,but this life is never perfect .any one who thinks he/she can get a perfect life is just fooling himself. yes ,even plan pregnacy can be a problem for some mothers ,baby blues or post natal depression .this is life .we manage it but we are humans at end of the day ,we are not perfect .the notion that we can do without our maker is attractive not lack many substances. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
www.suntoumana.blogspot.com |
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kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 22 Aug 2007 : 12:23:43
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| Dalton , you definitely have a point. However , a woman's right over her body is precedent to the "baby's" rights to life ( even Islam agrees to that). I put baby in inverted comas because what is considered a baby often requires expert opinion. There is a difference between an embryo , fetus , zygote, and fertilized egg. Leo said life begins at fertilization which most experts dispute. I agree that late-term abortion or partial birth abortion should be restricted... |
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Lily
United Kingdom
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Posted - 22 Aug 2007 : 12:24:38
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I like Leo's honest point of view. And, whilst I don't necessarily agree with it all I do agree with the women's right to choose argument.
However - I do think it would be so, so much better if there was much better contraception advice given. It's not JUST the woman's repsonsibility but it seems (here particularly) that so many young boys don't wish to use contraception and so many young girls still believe things kike - you won't get prefnant if it's your first time etc etc.
As always - education is the answer. Openly talking about sex and the issues it raises (like abortion) with young people (and older ones too!!) should be a part of all curriculums. |
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Dalton1
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Posted - 22 Aug 2007 : 12:28:21
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I am crying over the verse
"inna hu, huwa yubdi uuu, waa yu eeee'duuu"
Uncle Santa; give us a good interpretation on that one. |
"There is no god but Allah (SWT); and Muhammad (SAW)is His last messenger." shahadah. Fear & Worship Allah (SWT) Alone! (:
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Sibo
Denmark
231 Posts |
Posted - 22 Aug 2007 : 12:56:44
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Can any of you guys amswer my question, please???
IS ABORTION ILLEGAL IN GAMBIA????? |
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kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 22 Aug 2007 : 13:05:12
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| I do not think so , it is not widely accessible though... |
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Santanfara
3460 Posts |
Posted - 22 Aug 2007 : 13:09:37
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sister sibo ,check out the point news paper.
http://www.thepoint.gm/headlines2234.htm |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
www.suntoumana.blogspot.com |
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Dalton1
3485 Posts |
Posted - 22 Aug 2007 : 13:10:35
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Sibo,
it should be illegal ( I am not sure). otherwise, why are they dragged to court |
"There is no god but Allah (SWT); and Muhammad (SAW)is His last messenger." shahadah. Fear & Worship Allah (SWT) Alone! (:
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kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 22 Aug 2007 : 13:12:34
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| Dr. Cora and another used to practise it ...atleast in the mid and late '90s. |
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Santanfara
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Posted - 22 Aug 2007 : 13:18:34
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quote:
Originally posted by Dalton1
I am crying over the verse
"inna hu, huwa yubdi uuu, waa yu eeee'duuu"
Uncle Santa; give us a good interpretation on that one.
brother dalton ,yes ,the surah you ablely quoted is al buruj chapter 85 verse 13 .the meaning is ''verily ,he it is who begins creation and repeats it.or it can be also be translated as follows ''he originates the creation of every thing,and then repeats it on the day of resurrection .'' but the people we are debating with are not looking from a faith angle so the verse is little help to them. the issue to many is about choice .but the choice of the mother is what is emphase not the baby or feotus .we are who we are because some body did not abort us. that woman could have aborted us ,we don't have any have choise in that matter.life is life no matter how old.
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Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
www.suntoumana.blogspot.com |
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kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 22 Aug 2007 : 13:19:16
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| This sounds like an "out-of-hospital" practice. Is Dam Jeng a doctor ? That may be an illegal practice of medicine , right ? |
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Dalton1
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Posted - 22 Aug 2007 : 13:30:18
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quote:
Originally posted by kayjatta
This sounds like an "out-of-hospital" practice. Is Dam Jeng a doctor ? That may be an illegal practice of medicine , right ?
Kay,
Yes. it looks like you described it above, hospital fraud activity. Let true justice preside over them.
Uncle santa,
thanks for the Al- Buruj presentation. I am truly in love with that verse. that's the button that made my day.
QUOTE OF THE DAY
"INNA HU, HUWA YUBDI UHH, WAA YUU EEEE'DUUUUU" (85:13)
"He[ALLAH SWT] originates the creation of every thing,and then repeats it on the day of resurrection." (85:13) |
"There is no god but Allah (SWT); and Muhammad (SAW)is His last messenger." shahadah. Fear & Worship Allah (SWT) Alone! (:
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Edited by - Dalton1 on 22 Aug 2007 13:32:21 |
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