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Karamba
United Kingdom
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GambianPatriot
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 Posted - 20 Aug 2007 : 20:14:00
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Kondorong,
I will not call you nderry's friend again. It is meant to be a tongue in cheek comment, however I can see your point.I still don't think you can cite source confidentiality in a murder case. If you are the only person who knew the identity of a witness to gruesome murders like the Ghanaian's, I don't think you can hide behind fourth estate protections. The caveat still been I am not a lawyer either. |
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kondorong
Gambia
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Posted - 20 Aug 2007 : 20:37:54
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Thats a relief.
The issue of confidentiality has been used many times by governments and interestingly using the all famous public interests doctrine.
Its spotted all over in history. You see, every citizen has a right to remain silent if arested. In the same vein, witnesses, have a right to not speak at all. Its not a criminal offence for a "witness" to a crime to not speak. S/he must voluntarily say that s/he was a witness and voluntarily submit a statement.
There are judicial precedences where it is later discovered that witnesse were coerced to testify, as basis for appeals.
Lets not forget that witnesses cannot be forced to testify. It then becomes coercion and the defence can easily throw their testimonies out very easily. For a witness to be credible, s/he must willingly come forward without any undue intimidation otherwise, credibility cannot be upheld in a court of law.
Well i guess i will leave that sacred duty to law professionals. I am just a 200 pound gorrila behind a key board. |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 20 Aug 2007 : 21:08:59
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Kondorong,
Your pursuit of truth and justice is quite adorable. I personally derive great sense from your footnote and will not allow a day pass without reading it even if you get busy and not posted. One day, truth shall triumph. The thing about objective reality is that even if 7000 wild devils deny it, they have no power to change it. We are in for an entire experience in Gambia. Change is part of reality in perpetual motion. Many crave for change when they can't stand it. It was sweet to make a thunderous noise about corruption prior to July 1994 and the urge to have things changed. The irony is that those who craved for change thought we no longer need changing what they brought on us. Any way round it, change is inevitable. True peace lies with those who are ready to change what has been changed. |
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kondorong
Gambia
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Posted - 20 Aug 2007 : 22:18:53
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My take of ustice is that it should be accorded toall citizens irrspective of position or influence. Thats the only way we can have peace in society.
Thats why Peter Tosh said "I dont want no peace, i need equal rights and and justice."
The road to peace is through the town of justice. Throughout history, we have always copied others who came before us both in policy matters, education and even military adventures. I recently wateched a documentary from the History Channel where military officers have used war stories 5000 years ago, in the Bible to help them draw battle plans of this period.
Thats why Martin Luther said " ...Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice every where". To come closer to home, the Mandinka said: FARA NING JAMBA KATANG, SINYO KOO BUKA SINYO KARA.
But i have to admit Karamba, i have admired your postings and full of thought. You are certainly a man/woman of insight. I am humbled by your presence on the forum. |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 20 Aug 2007 : 23:21:09
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Kondorong,
It has been a Gambian Big Dream; that One Day, Men and Women of Diverse Interests and Skills will meet in Cyberspace to design the way they choose to be Governed. Later, We shall all descend on the twin platforms at Yorrobawol Emergency Space Centre (Courtesy of your good self.) What a day !! |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 21 Aug 2007 : 01:42:42
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Originally posted by Karamba
Kondorong,
Yorrobawol Emergency Space Centre (Courtesy of your good self.) What a day !!
Did i hear Yoro Bawol Space Centre? That would something. The landing of the aliens i can imagine Kobo in his round spectacles looking jolly fine.
You made my day. I have never been this optimistic in my life. How would i translate a space centere in Fulani because i hope to be able to brief the Alkali.
On a more serious note, i believe its never too late for us to do good and help in all ways we can to educate the people. The biggest threat to democracy is ignorance. People could easily be made to bend backwards with virtually no problem.
In an educated society, people stand up and as such you cant ride on a straigthened back. |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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Santanfara
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Posted - 21 Aug 2007 : 09:34:28
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Originally posted by BambaLaye
I am amazed by some of the commentators' rantings on "evidence" before alleging that Jammeh has something to do with these killings. Is it so hard to understand that when foreign nationals are found dead (let's assume they were not murdered)in another country, it is the responsibility of that country (where the bodies are found)to expalain the circumstances/cause else held responsible. To heck with Pa Nderry's "breaking news" and whoever relies on it.
In this particular case, YAYA JAMMEH as head-of-state, defense minister, commander in chief, dictator, etc. etc. has the responsibility to investigate, collect evidence and report his findings to the Ghanian authorities. If Yaya (Gambia) decides to ignore this responsibility, all accusing fingers will inevitably point to him (and Gambia)until proven otherwise.
Yaya has not only ignored his responsibility in investigating the matter, he has according to reports, instead actively stiffled efforts by Ghanaian authorities to find out the truth. What would a rational mind deduce from such action???
Please, let us not be too smart to make a fool of ourselves. Jammeh's irratinality is going to cost us dearly if nit curbed as soon as possible. I am amazed, baffled and discouraged by the way we see such simple matters sometimes.
BROTHER BAMBA ,that is why i wrote a short article to gainako a while ago emphasising the same thing. gambian has become so uncaring to the welfare of others that it make one sick to the stomach. all some see is that you hate yahya period ,they cannot see what he is presiding over. human beings where murdered simple ,who did it ? let yahya tell his men to find that out and clear the air but this cannot be burried under the carpet . |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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Santanfara
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Posted - 21 Aug 2007 : 09:39:43
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Originally posted by Karamba
He who takes on a load must carry it. Why must Doktorr Jammeh enjoy the big title and be exempted from all the responsibility that goes with it?
http://www.lawteacher.net/Tort/Occupiers%20Liability/Liability%20for%20Land%20Premises%20Lecture.htm
karamba ,this is our own style of democracy .so long as i worship the feet of the dear leader he is not responsible .i use to hear the same sentiment during jawara's time .when people talk of corruption ,his supporters will start saying '' jawara is ok it is his ministers '' what a bull**** .similarly ,many yahya supporters are pointing fingers at edward ,yankuba and so on. some of his staunch men even go as far saying yanks is a stain to yahya ,why ? wasn't it yanks who do the dirty works for yahya at every election ? or is that yanks is some thing else ?
the big man or keba as he like to be called is responsilbe untill he prove himself innocent . |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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Alhassan
Sweden
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Posted - 21 Aug 2007 : 10:10:46
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Originally posted by Karamba
Kondorong,
It has been a Gambian Big Dream; that One Day, Men and Women of Diverse Interests and Skills will meet in Cyberspace to design the way they choose to be Governed. Later, We shall all descend on the twin platforms at Yorrobawol Emergency Space Centre (Courtesy of your good self.) What a day !!
Karamba,
I hope the dream calls for the truth and peoples views. If it is like here on this bantaba, then I am sorry it will fail. Too much monkey buisness here on bantaba. |
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Sibo
Denmark
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Posted - 21 Aug 2007 : 10:29:28
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Why are we even bothering to dicuss this matter??? If Jammeh is innocent, why does he not call press conference and tell the whole world he has nothing to do with the killings????
Why did he not attend the AU meeting in Accra??? Speak up Jammeh and clear the name of the gambians.
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Kumi
Ghana
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Posted - 21 Aug 2007 : 15:20:54
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I am woefully amazed at how right thinking individuals will go the extra mile to defend Jammeh on these murders.All along the line, all accusing fingers are pointing at him and yet he has not spared us a minute to utter a word.
All the people who are giving evidences ( including a native Gambian) are mentioning his name unironically and yet his cronnies are defending him. If he is innocent, let him come out and clear his name.
Jammeh believes that he is brave and can kill people just like that. I was in Gambia and I saw how common human-beings were afraid even to call the name 'Jammeh' as if he holds the key to everybody's soul.A clear dictator hidding under quasi-democracy and committing gruesome murders. A wolf in a sheep's skin.
He must not lose sight of the fact that men who were more dangerous than he is finally succumbed to the law.
I am cock sure that the killings of these Ghanaians and the subsequent revelations will be the beginning of his downfall. |
The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.
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Alhassan
Sweden
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Posted - 21 Aug 2007 : 15:43:42
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Kumi,
I am after the truth, nothing but the whole truth. You could be a false guy. Having all the evience you need why not contact the international court? Why not give the artickle to the BBC or another realible newspaper? You can convince those who are after Jammeh. I do not live in the Gambia neighter do I vote for him. If we make a proper findingout, You are not a Ghanian. I am not yet convinced that you are from Ghana. Hence your colaborator is N'derri. I dont care his downfall so long the truth prevails. Why have the said withnesses being quite for a year now? Thay could have come out in the begginning and speak the truth. I am waiting for them to come out from their hiding places. |
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Sibo
Denmark
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Posted - 21 Aug 2007 : 15:59:42
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Sorry Alhassan
This is getting a bite boring. You keep on repeating the same thing. Come up with something new.
And how do you know that Kumi is not fron Ghana. And another thing, it seems like you have some kind of vendetta against N´derry, if you do then let it out on him and not the members of bantaba |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 21 Aug 2007 : 16:29:36
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Alhassan,
Where are you driving with all this claim justice where the legal environment is not existing? Are you not aware that Jammeh's security is INSECURITY. Forget about Nderry or all the reports. We are about THE KILLINGS!! Only a speneless president will not stand the test of responsibility in providing total security people he presides over. Let Jammeh talk (sensible talk.) Tell us how we can expect justice in a legal environment where the instruments are either not in place or not available at all? What is your stake? How much do you find it easy defending Doktar Yahya? |
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