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tamsier
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 16 Aug 2009 : 12:48:44
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Sss,
Thanks for that, hence I said probably.
Santanfara,
My 85 year old uncle has text me an unintelligible text about the surname Drammeh. I have no idea what he is talking about, anyway here it goes, see what you make of it:
their name is derived from the term darambeh [the great daram] the initiatory name given to the hyena, of agriculture and birth.
Does it make any sense to you? No! me neither. I can get the gest but I am not certain. Will speak to him over the phone. I think thats the best way. |
Tamsier
Serere heritage. Serere religion. Serere to the end.
Roog a fa ha. |
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Santanfara
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Posted - 17 Aug 2009 : 20:36:04
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Originally posted by sss
i dont think jojo is a mandinka word.they were trying to pronounced the english word judge,so they add jo making judgejo.here is two;
sonko meaning quarrel.probably came about after a quarrel with one calling the other sonka-njo meaning with whom i quarreled.
conteh=like me
karfa -- is a first name meaning entrusted.
santafara,touray is spelled taura in mungo park "journey to the interior of africa".
SSS, well done. Are you saying the Sonko Kunda folks like quarelling?
Tamsier get ready to interwine in more quarells.
I thought so sss, sonko means son-nko--to quarell.
Touray, taura-- we did agree on that a while ago. But in the Arabic word it means elephant.
tamsier, you made me laugh at the way you explain your gran father's views on Drammeh. Bless him and may he live much longer.
all the people i contacted yesterday for Drammeh and Sillah with Jabbi. they were all glueless. But they all promise to find out. We are onto something big Tam, i am glad we have you.
I learn that, Bandin Drammeh from Brikama is in U.K. May be i will get to speak with him. He may either coloborate your granfather's version or give a different one. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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sss
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Posted - 17 Aug 2009 : 23:22:09
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| santa,it could be you guys were elephant killers.there were lots of elephants in senegambia during the 1700 and 1800 according to Mungo Park writings |
THE MESSENGER OF GOD(peace and blessing be always upon him)SAID,"WHOEVER WALKS WITH A TYRANT IN SUPPORT OF HIM,WHILE AWARE OF HIS TYRANNY,HAS ABANDONED ISLAM."At-Tabarani
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Santanfara
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Posted - 20 Aug 2009 : 00:10:16
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Originally posted by sss
santa,it could be you guys were elephant killers.there were lots of elephants in senegambia during the 1700 and 1800 according to Mungo Park writings
oh no SSS. we love elephants. to the contrary, deforestation by the sanyang kunda folks drove the elephants and wild animals away. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
www.suntoumana.blogspot.com |
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Santanfara
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Posted - 24 Oct 2009 : 14:02:39
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I got a bit of information on the relationship between Jallow, Jakiteh, Sidibeh and Sankareh. I shall try to relay it later God-willing.
I have spread the news to people to be intouch anytime they comprehend the meanings of their family names. waiting and expecting. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
www.suntoumana.blogspot.com |
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tamsier
United Kingdom
556 Posts |
Posted - 31 Oct 2009 : 22:57:10
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| I'm still waiting. Or have you snubed me? |
Tamsier
Serere heritage. Serere religion. Serere to the end.
Roog a fa ha. |
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Santanfara
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Posted - 01 Nov 2009 : 02:29:23
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Originally posted by tamsier
I'm still waiting. Or have you snubed me?
Oh no Tamsier. I am trying to reonnect the narration and also was engaged with some time consuming issues. hopefull this days. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
www.suntoumana.blogspot.com |
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tamsier
United Kingdom
556 Posts |
Posted - 05 Aug 2010 : 22:42:42
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SENEGAMBIAN SURNAMES
SERERE FAMILY TOTEMS
THE BAJAN FAMILY
This family’s name is associated with ‘Faasaw’ – monitors of the ground/earth [where the ancestors lay in rest].
THE FAYE FAMILY
One of the totems of this family is the African Warthog – called ‘Ruul a kob’ [in Serere]. This represents courage, leadership and fighting spirit. This family is one of few Senegambian families that actually have an Anthem - ‘Wagane Kumba Saniane’.
THE JOOF FAMILY
The totem of this family is the Antelope - called ‘Njaf’. The antelope is the symbol of grace, royalty, defenders of the weak; generosity; strength, honour and hard work. It also symbolizes energy, knowledge and action as well as guardians or the spirit world. People from this family used to be referred to as ‘Boorom jef’ [in Wolof] – action oriented people who tolerated no nonsense from anybody and will die to defend their own. Njaf is the feminine form [Mother Nature – the lunar cycle] and Siibor is the masculine form. Someone born of a Joof mother and Joof father automatically becomes a Njaf-Siibor [of Joof mother and father]. ‘Joofa Niokhorbai samba lingeer’[Joof! The great nobles] is the praise of this family. It is also one of the first lines of this Family’s Anthem. ‘'The secret to success is the willingness to serve without aspiring to rewards'. This is the motto of this Family hence the reason why they were referred to as generous and defenders of the weak since ancient times.
THE NJIE FAMILY
One of the totems of this family is the Lion called ‘Njogoy’. The lion symbolises danger and ferocity as well as courage and royalty. Someone born of a Njie father and Njie mother automatically becomes a Njie – Jatta. Jatta is the equivalent of Njie. 'Gaindeh – Njie! The name of the lion -, totem - protector of our forefathers, we neither run nor hide, we have no fear'. This is the motto of the Njie Family. The Wolof word ‘Gaindeh’ was adopted as this Family ruled the Kingdom of Jolof which was dominated by the Wolof people.
THE JON FAMILY
There are couple of totems for this family. Their main totem is ‘Jolax’ - the African sparrow. Birds in African mythology symbolize fertility as well as the human soul that has reached a higher state of perfection and closer to the Gods.
THE KAMA FAMILY
The totem of this family is the Elephant called G’Ñiik. The elephant symbolises power, authority and a kingship but also gentleness and loyalty.
THE NDOUR FAMILY
The totem of this family is the ‘Monkey’ - ‘Koy’. The monkey is the symbol of wisdom and the secret initiation into the paranormal world. It also represents humanity and the soul.
THE NGUM FAMILY
The totem of this family is the Bull/Ox - ‘Oiik’. It symbolises one who should be respected. It also symbolises strength and bravery.
THE SARR FAMILY
The totem of this family is the Camel – ‘Ngeelemb’ which is strongly believe to be an addition to their first totem. The camel is not native to sub-Saharan Africa unless you go to the north of the Continent heading towards Arabia. It is possible that it did not even originated from there but it might have evolved there millions of years ago. If one is to accept the claims of the late historian Cheickh Anta Diop - that the Sereres originally lived in Egypt many thousands of years ago before their migration southwards, then that would explain why the Sarr Family is associated with the camel. The camel is a symbol of sacrifice and sobriety. In any case, the first totem of this family is the Giraffe – ‘Njamala’. This symbolises grace and vision.
THE SAIN FAMILY
The totem of this family is the Hare – ‘Ndol’. This symbolises fertility, purity and rebirth. Above everything else, it represents messengers of the Gods/Goddesses and in certain instances the Gods/Goddesses themselves – hence the name Roog Sain. ‘Roog’ - who is the supreme Deity of the Serere people is surnamed Sain -, therefore, placing the Sain Family above everyone else.
This seems to indicate that this family were at the forefront in shaping and reshaping Serere religion. This is not surprising since members of this family have been at the forefront of the Priestly class [which is inherited] for generations. In fact, the Highest Priest during the reign of Kumba Ndoffene Famak Joof of Sine was Wassaly Sain and there are several accounts of that man. |
Tamsier
Serere heritage. Serere religion. Serere to the end.
Roog a fa ha. |
Edited by - tamsier on 05 Aug 2010 23:04:21 |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 05 Aug 2010 : 22:50:30
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| Keep it up Tamsier,I have a name for you,The History man, translate it into your own language and write what it is, I would be genuinely interested ,do you like the name I have chosen ? or being a toubab should I not do that? I think it suits you anyway. |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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tamsier
United Kingdom
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Posted - 05 Aug 2010 : 23:22:47
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Originally posted by toubab1020
Keep it up Tamsier,I have a name for you,The History man, translate it into your own language and write what it is, I would be genuinely interested ,do you like the name I have chosen ? or being a toubab should I not do that? I think it suits you anyway.
If you are talking about those who preserve knowledge and history [a griot] then that would be 'O kavul oh'.
And no I would not be offended being called a griot as they have noble qualities that many lack. In fact I would see it as a compliment. By the way, you are more than welcome to express your views Toubab or not. |
Tamsier
Serere heritage. Serere religion. Serere to the end.
Roog a fa ha. |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 06 Aug 2010 : 00:18:03
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| Welcome, 'O kavul oh'. Looks good, anyone on bantaba write this in phonetics so I can speak these words ? Tamsier, what language are the words written in? |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Santanfara
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Posted - 06 Aug 2010 : 10:14:01
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| Tamsier, quiet remarkeable. Interesting stuff. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
www.suntoumana.blogspot.com |
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
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Posted - 06 Aug 2010 : 23:40:37
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Tamsier, how come Njie is a Fula name and the Kingdom Of Jollof had Fula Kings?
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tamsier
United Kingdom
556 Posts |
Posted - 06 Aug 2010 : 23:56:07
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Originally posted by Sister Omega
Tamsier, how come Njie is a Fula name and the Kingdom Of Jollof had Fula Kings?
Peace
Sister Omega
Sister, Njie is not a Fula name. The surname Njie itself is Serere in origin. It is normally associated with Wolof because this family ruled a predominantly Wolof area [Jolof as you rightly noted]. Also, it is very common to see people who have Fula surnames called themselves Wolofs etc. This is all to do with mixture; where they were brought up; the language their parents and grand parents spoke etc. The same is true for all other tribes the Wolofs included. I even know someone with the name Trawally who call herself Wolof. Trawally as we all know is not Wolof. One last thing, based on paternal lineages, the old Kingdom of Jolof didn't have Fula Kings unless you want to count the Jaw Dynasty. Previous to that and after that, it was ruled by the Serere and Lebou Dynasties [Ngum, Mbengue, Njie etc]. |
Tamsier
Serere heritage. Serere religion. Serere to the end.
Roog a fa ha. |
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
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Posted - 07 Aug 2010 : 02:58:20
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I know for a fact as a Njie that they come directly from Futa Toro at the bank of the Senegal river. How do you explain that?
And having visited the ruins Palace of Jollof on the way to Futa Toro in 1996 myself. Legend has it that the last King of Jollof was indeed Fula as Fula's islamised non believers surrounding Futa. The King fled with his village to Mali as the French started to prepare to attack the palace with cannons.
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Edited by - Sister Omega on 07 Aug 2010 03:03:13 |
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