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tamsier
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 07 Aug 2010 : 06:22:55
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Originally posted by Sister Omega
I know for a fact as a Njie that they come directly from Futa Toro at the bank of the Senegal river. How do you explain that?
And having visited the ruins Palace of Jollof on the way to Futa Toro in 1996 myself. Legend has it that the last King of Jollof was indeed Fula as Fula's islamised non believers surrounding Futa. The King fled with his village to Mali as the French started to prepare to attack the palace with cannons.
Peace
Sister Omega
The Sereres used to live in Tekrur what is now called Futa Toro. Tekrur was not the original name it was a name used by the arabs to refer to West Africans who came from that side of the continent, because the Tukuloor people used to make the hajj and have been seen in the middle east hence Tekrur. The original name of the Kingdom is lost. The Serere people who resided there migrated from modern day Futa Toro from 1035 AD after their defeat at the Battle of Saly.
The last King of Jolof was Buna Alboury Majigen Bassin Njie. Born in 1877 at Yang Yang and died on 28th July 1952 at Louga. He reigned from 1895 to 1900. It was in 1900 that Jolof fell and the French had full control of it. He was the son of Alboury Biram Penda Njemeh Sainabou Njie [his predecessor 5 years earlier] and Majigen Bassin Njie. He was from the royal house of Biram Penda sometimes also referred to as the royal house of Lat Samba, because Biram Penda was the son of Lat Samba. Yes! That family converted to islam, but they were Sereres in origin based on their paternal lineage. That does not mean they didn't have some Fula blood, because their ancestor - Fatoumata Sallah was Tukuloor [a subgroup of the Fula if you like]. However, in their paternal line [Njie], they are Sereres in origin. The surname Njie cannot be a Fula. Yes! As I have noted in my previous post, someone who is assimilated into Fula culture/people for instance may refer to themselves as Fula but the surname Njie cannot be a Fula. Based on paternal lineage which is the yardstick used for determining tribe in Senegambia, the true last king of Jolof [Buna] is Serere in origin, so was his father and mother. Also, the story you narrated regarding the king fleeing is not Buuna [the last king], but his own father [Alboury] - his predecessor. Alboury himself died in 1901 at the battle of Rosso. It was not the son [the last king] who fled it was his father [Alboury]. In fact, he didn't actually flee literally speaking. After he was deposed by the French which paved the way for his son cousin and later his son, who was very young at the time, he spent years fighting the French and did indeed travelled to other kingdoms seeking allies to launch a counter attack against the French even in Mauritania. It was at the battle of Rosso where he fell.
Peace
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Tamsier
Serere heritage. Serere religion. Serere to the end.
Roog a fa ha. |
Edited by - tamsier on 08 Aug 2010 15:56:31 |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 07 Aug 2010 : 14:51:58
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| Tamsier, ('O kavul oh'.) I really hope that you are writing all this information that you have gleaned down on paper in a book,I doubt that in time to come that this knowlege will be available anwhere else except in your writings and archives.Please ensure that you keep them safe for the use of those generations yet to come. |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
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Posted - 07 Aug 2010 : 23:06:09
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Tamsier, Thanks for the info. I was completely unaware of the Njie connection to the Palace when I visited it as I was a Ba at the time.
Yes I am referring to the Toucleur as Fula's. This is very interesting as I travelled from Bakau to Podor in a UN Lada visiting Kolack, Dara, Touba, Yang Yanga, Louga, Jollof, Mbidi, Ngendar Wallo and Rosso on my journey. The place Bunna is that nearer to Touba, I'm just wondering was Touba formerly known as Tombut or is it further Nortn towards Mbidi? You also mentioned the battle of Dosso, is that today's Rosso as Podor crosses the modern day borders of Senegal and Mauritania?
Tamsier do you know if Buuna was also known as Boonda? And if so is it located in Galumbo or Catumba stretches both sides of the Senegal river? Was Louga orginally called Lacus Guarde, and on the opposite side of the river was Tombut which lay opposite a River called Boona Bubaker around the 18th Century?
Do you know whether King Gelazi was a king of Jollof?
So where did the Seres orginate from did they come from Sudan? What is the difference between Seres and Serehauli are they the same people? And what were their relationship with the Tuocleurs? When did the Toucleurs migrate from Bangladesh to Senegal?
Tamsier this is much more refreshing than Politics don't you think .
Peace
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Peace
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Edited by - Sister Omega on 07 Aug 2010 23:36:39 |
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njucks
Gambia
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Posted - 08 Aug 2010 : 11:42:49
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Tamsier,
i'm going to start an oline petition for you to write a book at least on senegambia history or serer history/ culture etc.
i always read all your postings, very educative, very |
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Momodou
Denmark
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Posted - 08 Aug 2010 : 12:17:10
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| Njucks, the same here. I will be among the first to purchase the book. |
A clear conscience fears no accusation - proverb from Sierra Leone |
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tamsier
United Kingdom
556 Posts |
Posted - 08 Aug 2010 : 15:47:00
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Originally posted by Sister Omega
Tamsier, Thanks for the info. I was completely unaware of the Njie connection to the Palace when I visited it as I was a Ba at the time.
Yes I am referring to the Toucleur as Fula's. This is very interesting as I travelled from Bakau to Podor in a UN Lada visiting Kolack, Dara, Touba, Yang Yanga, Louga, Jollof, Mbidi, Ngendar Wallo and Rosso on my journey. The place Bunna is that nearer to Touba, I'm just wondering was Touba formerly known as Tombut or is it further Nortn towards Mbidi? You also mentioned the battle of Dosso, is that today's Rosso as Podor crosses the modern day borders of Senegal and Mauritania?
Tamsier do you know if Buuna was also known as Boonda? And if so is it located in Galumbo or Catumba stretches both sides of the Senegal river? Was Louga orginally called Lacus Guarde, and on the opposite side of the river was Tombut which lay opposite a River called Boona Bubaker around the 18th Century?
Do you know whether King Gelazi was a king of Jollof?
So where did the Seres orginate from did they come from Sudan? What is the difference between Seres and Serehauli are they the same people? And what were their relationship with the Tuocleurs? When did the Toucleurs migrate from Bangladesh to Senegal?
Tamsier this is much more refreshing than Politics don't you think.
Peace
Sister Omega
Sister, thank you for correcting my typo it is indeed Rosso.
As for some of the other geographical questions you ask, sorry, but I am weak on geography and I have never been to Touba.
There is no record of King Gelazi ruling Jolof [written or oral as far as I know] and I have never heard of the Tukuloors migrating from Bangladesh to Senegal nor have I ever seen any evidence to substantiate that claim. Tukuloors are Senegambian people nothing to do with Bangladesh.
You ask very interesting questions regarding the Serere, Tukuloor and Sarahulleh people.
According to Professor Cheickh Anta Jobe, the Sereres migrated from ancient Egypt. However, it is worthy to note that, his work was never fully completed to the satisfaction of many scholars, because his conclusion was based on etymology of certain Serere words which has great room for error. Also, it contradicts archaeological evidence. The Thiemassasian Culture [ancient ancestors of the Sereres founded in Senegal not Egypt] where the name Thies takes its name from, predates the known founding of ancient Egypt by at least 4 or 5 thousand years. What is known for a fact is that, many Sereres were living in what is now Futa Toro before they migrated from there. It is also worthy to note that, not all Serere groups where living in Futa in ancient times. The Sereres are very diverse and many sub branches of the Serere people were living in other parts of Senegal and the Gambia in ancient times. Therefore, not all Sereres were affected by the Battle of Saly only those who were living in Tekrur for lack of a better phrase.
As for the Sarahullehs, they are the descendants of the Soninke- founders of the Wagadou Empire.
As for Tukuloors, it was the Tukuloors, a fraction of Fulas who converted and the Almoravids whom the Sereres were fighting against at Saly. It was a war of religion, power and wealth.
RELIGION: Because of the Sereres refused to submit to Islam as well as the introduction of sharia law by King War Jabi after his revolution.
POWER: Because the Sereres were also members of the royal house it was not only the Fula as believed by some. In fact, the Sereres did have a dynasty there among with the Soninke and Mandinka. In any case, King Mahmood who was Fula was killed by the Tukuloors led by the King War Jabi’s family.
WEALTH: The Serere nobles had huge Estates and farmers had to pay regular taxes to these Sereres if they are to settle or farm. Even if you buy a land from them, title does not pass to you or your descendants. Title still remains with the Serere nobility as well as their descendants and you have to pay regularly taxes to the Serere nobility or your descendants have to pay regularly taxes to the descendants of the nobility in accordance with Serere land law and custom.
Therefore, whoever has the power controls the land and wealth. As such, the Serere nobility who gathered at Saly were not only fighting to defend their religion but also fighting to keep their wealth and power - a power that had diminished considerably after the assassination of king Mahmood who was not a orthodox muslim.
Peace
Njuks and Momodou
Thank you for you for words but there are others more equipped to do that than me.
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Tamsier
Serere heritage. Serere religion. Serere to the end.
Roog a fa ha. |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 08 Aug 2010 : 16:21:16
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Tamsier,'O kavul oh'.
"but there are others more equipped to do that than me."
WHO ?
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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tamsier
United Kingdom
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Posted - 08 Aug 2010 : 16:29:43
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| HA HA HA! LOL! Belive me there are many. Some of them have actually written manuscripts but the problem is publishing. |
Tamsier
Serere heritage. Serere religion. Serere to the end.
Roog a fa ha. |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 08 Aug 2010 : 20:55:23
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Well Njucks wrote:
"Tamsier,
i'm going to start an oline petition for you to write a book at least on senegambia history or serer history/ culture etc.
i always read all your postings, very educative, very"
So all is not lost see what he comes up with.
And Momodou has some great contacts I am sure. |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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kayjatta
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Posted - 09 Aug 2010 : 13:08:14
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All these are too complex for my 'small brain'. Politics, science and law are simpler things
I salute Tamsier for his mastery of Serere culture and history. Keep writing!!! |
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gainde
Sweden
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Posted - 09 Aug 2010 : 15:05:54
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Tamsier, I would like to add my voice to the common call for you to consider writing a book on SeneGambian culture. Keep up your write-ups.
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Originally posted by kayjatta
All these are too complex for my 'small brain'. Politics, science and law are simpler things
I salute Tamsier for his mastery of Serere culture and history. Keep writing!!!
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toubab1020
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Posted - 09 Aug 2010 : 15:41:13
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Tamsier, you have the support and presumably the time, as gainde says "Keep up your write-ups."
many would like to read a book written by you but to get things published is difficult and expensive if you do it yourself,so put that suggestion on hold for the time being and just ""Keep up your write-ups." excercise books and not bits of paper which get lost, thrown away and arranged out of sequence.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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toubab1020
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Posted - 09 Aug 2010 : 15:44:25
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I know KAY how about forming a political party named, The Small Brain Party,? or SBP for short  we could both have ministerial jobs when we get elected 
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Originally posted by kayjatta
All these are too complex for my 'small brain'. Politics, science and law are simpler things
I salute Tamsier for his mastery of Serere culture and history. Keep writing!!!
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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kayjatta
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Posted - 10 Aug 2010 : 06:55:54
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Hey "Small Brain Party (SBP)" sounds great Toubab! Only that I tried to register that name and found out it is not available. The APRC party is actually registered under that name. Surprise, surprise....
Actually Moe was laughing at me for making a fool of myself. He thought I should have known that APRC was SBP all along. I never thought about it. How did I miss it?
But As a "small brain" myself, perhaps I should be in the APRC. I know I have had this funny feeling for the Sheikh Professor...
Oh now I see; this is what Nyatikangbanna has been trying to tell all along that I am "a closset APRC"
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Moe
USA
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Posted - 10 Aug 2010 : 08:41:28
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| See the problems ASSOCIATED WITH ALCOHOLISM, The man of the hour is Tamsier and he needs all the motivation to do exactly what the calling is asking for instead you and that Alkalo1020 are being the drunks you are talking about ministerial positions, I though Alkalo1020 was european, "De Ngen Nyaka Jomm". The way I see it including his approach and style, trust me he is one of the best out there. Tam, do consider even if its on a five year plan we will be at the Bantaba God Permit if Chinese shoes does not catch up with me. Regardless of who could , would , should , you in particular should.............................................................Peace |
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