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sss
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 Posted - 08 Aug 2009 : 05:19:22
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| soutou, regarding sanyang it is sanyang duban jatafar koring meaning great worker killer of lions.i dont know what the koring means.it is all a praise.anytime a sanyang does a good work s/he is praise sanyangduban likewise touray mading mori |
THE MESSENGER OF GOD(peace and blessing be always upon him)SAID,"WHOEVER WALKS WITH A TYRANT IN SUPPORT OF HIM,WHILE AWARE OF HIS TYRANNY,HAS ABANDONED ISLAM."At-Tabarani
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Santanfara
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Posted - 08 Aug 2009 : 11:46:52
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| Tamsier, that is mervelous. I mean you have presented us wth real variety and facts. Thanks for this insight. Tamsier this process will continue, so anytime you know of meanings of our family and fore names please accord us the previlige. Knowledge is not about certificates or a school that one attends. It is a continuous process of exploring new fronteirs. Brilliant. we learn every day man. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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Santanfara
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Posted - 08 Aug 2009 : 11:54:08
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Originally posted by sss
soutou, regarding sanyang it is sanyang duban jatafar koring meaning great worker killer of lions.i dont know what the koring means.it is all a praise.anytime a sanyang does a good work s/he is praise sanyangduban likewise touray mading mori
sss, yes the Sanyangs can be a Jaata Dooban, korin kulu koi(skeleton). but they use to be professional thieves, do you know that? Fina Dahaba at onegambia said so. he said, itato sun nin sewu, inato koreba kenken( when the sanyang gang venture out, they go as theives and return with heards of cattles). the sanyang kunda just like the manneh and sanneh use to opperate a mafia style gang. they go round intimidating and collecting excessive taxes from poor farmers. they use to occasionally steal people's brides. can you believe that sss?
but in truth they use to be brave, we the mandin people owe them some credit. although Koukoi paint them only in the best fashion, but as your teacher, i will balance the facts. hope you don't mine. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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sss
USA
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Posted - 08 Aug 2009 : 15:13:22
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i think the reason they said jatafar koring (lion killers) is we saved the farmers from the lions .as for kukoi,i dont agree with his definition of sanyang.think he is trying to match the meaning with what he want to be.even the meaning he gave for kukoi is a bit over.kukoi means something clear or something white. sanyang could be snake eye.sang=snake and nyan=eye.
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THE MESSENGER OF GOD(peace and blessing be always upon him)SAID,"WHOEVER WALKS WITH A TYRANT IN SUPPORT OF HIM,WHILE AWARE OF HIS TYRANNY,HAS ABANDONED ISLAM."At-Tabarani
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Santanfara
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Posted - 09 Aug 2009 : 17:32:55
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sss, Koukoi's explanation is correct if we take the root words of the Sanyang family into account. in mandinka saa can mean dead. the word comes from saayaa. so sang is word extended for dialitical reasons.
now yaang comes from kaa yang which means to be proud of something. yang ato i am proud of it. wo man nyang means that is not suitable or appropriate. reverse it then you will get aah yanta, that is noble or hourable.
saa nyang when join together means a death that is noble or appropraite. which is rooted in bravery and lack of fear.q
Tamsier's explanation of the Serre names bear semblance to the Mandinka word usage as well. each of our terms have root connections. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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Edited by - Santanfara on 09 Aug 2009 17:34:56 |
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Santanfara
3460 Posts |
Posted - 09 Aug 2009 : 18:28:18
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"Can you tell me what Drammeh means, if it has any meaning???" Sibo
This meaning still stands, anyone who knows please share.
thanks |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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tamsier
United Kingdom
556 Posts |
Posted - 12 Aug 2009 : 00:31:38
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Mr Santanfara,
You are welcome. I can see that you are really into this. Sorry I do not know the meaning of the surname Drammeh I will try and find out for you. If I am successful, I'll post it here. I however, do know the recent history of this family. They came into prominence in the 16th century during the reign of Maleotane Joof - king of Saloum. They were marabouts to the king and the royal family and were granted land as a result. One of the best sons of this family is Omar Drammeh. He was the surbodinate of Sa lolley Jabou Samba [grand uncle of the late Alhaji Babou Samba]- who was the former military advisor and commander of Tafsir Alhaji Amat Jahou Bah's army [Maba Jahou Bah]. After the death of Amat Jahou Bah in 18 july 1867 at the battle of Fandane-Thiothione [commonly known as Somb],Sa lolley Jabou and Omar Drammeh stayed with Mamu Nderi Bah [brother of Amat]. When the King of Kombo [Fode Silla] was invaded by the warrior animist army [the cheddo], he requested the help of Mamu Nderi. Omar Drammeh and Sa lolley Jabou headed that mission and the King of Kombo was victorious against the animists.
Here are more names for you, I don't know whether you have them or not.
Surnames:
Danso = originally of ancient Ghana, of the Ashanti bloodline meaning reliable.
Jawara = lovers of peace,
Barry = the family comes from the Peul
Names:
Baaku = of wolof origin meaning to glorify oneself. Its origin is from the word Baka see above.
Jojo = judge [probably Mandinka origin]. Nb: It is also said that it means slave.
Karamo = teacher or tutor
Kumpa = In wolof it means secret. Its origin may be Mandinka or Serere.
Tamba = the grey plum or grey bread tree.
Bela = Its origin is from Congo meaning to rest.
Fanta = Its origin from Guinea or Ivory Coast meaning beautiful day.
Sajo = pure. Nb: there are different meanings of this, but in many parts of Western Africa, it means pure.
Jara = in many parts of West Africa with such a name it means gift.
Jaja = of Nigerian origin meaning god's gift.
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Tamsier
Serere heritage. Serere religion. Serere to the end.
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tamsier
United Kingdom
556 Posts |
Posted - 12 Aug 2009 : 03:28:40
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Santanfara,
I was browsing your original post when I saw this this posting by Janko.
Originally posted by Janko on - 17 May 2007
‘Mostly family names are also associated to animals (totem), taano in mandingka. This taano or totem serves as the emblem or revered symbol of the family and is a reminder of its ancestry and a protector of the family. Sometimes the totem/taano has a mythology. So in trying to depict the meanings of family names the animal symbolism can be of help.’
Precisely!I have said this before on a different topic.
When our ancient ancestors seperated into clans and tribes, animals which they previously gave names for the purposes of hunting, were embedded in their folklore as they became more interested in the supernatural in order to aplease their Gods for better hunting and food supply for their families. The same was true for plants that grew within the vicinity. To change their luck, certain animals were afforded spiritual status and certain plants also had religious/ spiritual significance. These animals and plants became the very embdiment of the family/clan and the family took the name of the animal/plant as its surname. This is how many names of families in Africa came about. As milliniums passed and cultures change,they became diluted, abbrevated or beautified [for lack of a better phrase] to fit the culture. Unlike the Europeans who got many of their surnames from trade, our ancient African ancestors took their family names from the ancient animals or plants that inhabited their land. Therefore, to understand the meaning of our family names, you must go back to the source [the animal/plant that represents the family]. There you will find the answers you seek.
In asking the meaning of family names you should perhaps have also asked the totem of the family. That would have perhaps given you an insight.
I can perhaps help further with one or two Serere surname:
Joof I have already mention above whose totem - the antilop also represent defender of the weak,energy, power and hard work along with royalty, grace etc.
Sene = hare [ndo]this sombolizes rebirth/fertile. In Serere religion, the supreme god of the Serere is surnamed Sene - bringer of life/the creator.
Ndour = I have mentioned above. You should also add monkey [a koy], the totem of this family. This is the very embodiment of the soul.
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Tamsier
Serere heritage. Serere religion. Serere to the end.
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Edited by - tamsier on 12 Aug 2009 04:26:05 |
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Santanfara
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Posted - 12 Aug 2009 : 09:49:01
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Tamsier, how can we thank you man. This is an interesting insight into our common africanism. You are right the Drammeh are into marabourism. they largely speak the Jahanka dialect, whict is transform Mandingo with added phrases.
I would do some active enquiry to help resolve this mystery for our young sister Sibo.
many will benefit from the new added explanations Tamsier. I am sure if Janko can have the time, he is good with decoding deeper mandingo phrases and it seems all the languages require our clear undiluted understanding.
The way you explain the Serre names symbolises a deeper knowledge of Serre heritage and language. it flow with ease. It is a pass time for me, and i thank you Tamsier.
The slow forth coming explanation is in the Fulbe names. I don't why this is so. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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turk
USA
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Posted - 13 Aug 2009 : 15:05:59
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OK, i realize that my first name was actually a fula. Anyway, what are the origins of following names. I mean are they wolof, mandika, jola, fula or what are they?
Jallow
Sowe
Jobe
Njie
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tamsier
United Kingdom
556 Posts |
Posted - 13 Aug 2009 : 16:20:41
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Santanfara,
As regards to the fula name, I am sure my fula cousins on bantaba can help you on that. I also call upon my Serere cousin Dembish to provide more Serere names and meaning. Dembish, where are you? Give your serere cousin a help. |
Tamsier
Serere heritage. Serere religion. Serere to the end.
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Janko
Gambia
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Posted - 13 Aug 2009 : 18:14:24
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Tamsier, brilliant, thanks
Factors that can help us depict family names could be;
I) Totem; the animal or plant relations a family name has
II) Meaning/connotation; breaking down the family name into parts whereby each small part makes sense independently
III) There are special cordial relationships between family names; “Sanawyaa” for example between Touray and Kamara. Usually these special relationships have histories/tails/stories which can give insight
For the above mentioned steps to help accurately the original language of the family name has to be established.
Santanfara;
we can start with Drammeh; what is its totem? Can we break it down into parts where each part makes sense independently,which family name(s) is it having the special cordial relation with and which language has it originated from?
…keep the good work flow
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Santanfara
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Posted - 14 Aug 2009 : 08:43:46
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Originally posted by tamsier
Santanfara,
As regards to the fula name, I am sure my fula cousins on bantaba can help you on that. I also call upon my Serere cousin Dembish to provide more Serere names and meaning. Dembish, where are you? Give your serere cousin a help.
Tamsier, we also have breadman as your cousin. Dembish, stand up then.
Janko, i will give time to Drammeh this weekend God-willing. I know they call them drammeh-kangi--. i also ask a Peul Futa friend of mine yesterday to look into Barry, Jallow and Sowe for me. he said maybe two weeks as he too must consult. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
www.suntoumana.blogspot.com |
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tamsier
United Kingdom
556 Posts |
Posted - 14 Aug 2009 : 12:43:50
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Janko,
You are absolutely correct. In particular, the cordial relationship you speak off is also evident in Serere culture and tradition. For example you see this great respect and admiration between the Faye and Joof family who always greet each other with 'your majesty' - and used to marry each other. You also see this between the Njie family and the Ndaw family. In fact, the proverb 'Kodje-Ndaw' means of Njie father and Ndaw mother.
Santa,
I have recorded the totems of many serere families and their meaning many years ago. I've lost the diary I recorded them, but if I find it, I will post them here. |
Tamsier
Serere heritage. Serere religion. Serere to the end.
Roog a fa ha. |
Edited by - tamsier on 14 Aug 2009 12:44:50 |
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sss
USA
82 Posts |
Posted - 16 Aug 2009 : 07:07:25
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i dont think jojo is a mandinka word.they were trying to pronounced the english word judge,so they add jo making judgejo.here is two;
sonko meaning quarrel.probably came about after a quarrel with one calling the other sonka-njo meaning with whom i quarreled.
conteh=like me
karfa -- is a first name meaning entrusted.
santafara,touray is spelled taura in mungo park "journey to the interior of africa".
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