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Santanfara
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 Posted - 29 Oct 2007 : 09:12:09
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thanks madi for the much need explanations of some family names.
the current deputy director in accountant general is a saidykhan and he is from jarra .he too on several occassion will atest that he is fula but can't speak a word.he did marry a fula though to retrace his language 
one thing that i need more clarification on is, why the prefix SAIDY in front the surnames? my mum is nyang and they too on a good day will use saidy nyang .
but manjako ceesay ,never heard of that .interesting . |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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Alhassan
Sweden
813 Posts |
Posted - 29 Oct 2007 : 10:56:07
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Santa,
Sadykhan is peul(Phulbe). But does not know where they met. Most SadyKhans I know are of Mandinka speaking. Some Sadys and Khans in Banjul are Wollof speaking,But Khan Jallows are Peul(Fullah)like in Kuntaya in Jokadu.
Nyang is NYANG BALO. My wife is Nyang too but she does not know where the BALO came from. We are doing a research for the children on that.
WE have been to Djurbel and Lambai from where my father and grand father came from to trace family members and they were quite happy.
Nyang is the rest sa my wife is a great grand child of Samba Njameh Nyang.
I hope my spelling mistakes would not matter . |
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
1275 Posts |
Posted - 29 Oct 2007 : 11:34:14
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Santa,
You have already answered the question. You compliment your Mum whose surname is Nyang on good days as Saidy-Nyang. It is a simply a fula compliment or in mandinka they say 'KA JAMUUNG' , this prefix SAIDY is 'JAMUNG DAANG-NGOO LEEYTEE'. Example on a naming ceremony say Imam Baba Leigh, if he gives a griot or Jali something and the Jali is elated he will say SAIDYLEIGH to praise Imam Baba Leigh. I have a cousin who is Bah, but wen we were young and brings home firewood, my dad compliment him for doing as well as we the grown-up children, by saying to him , YOU BROUGHT THIS BIG BUNDLE OF FIREWOOD? ANN DEY KAA GORRKOO (you are a man) and finish of saying SAIDY-BAH.
For the ceesay Manjago, i have just confirmed, that the family in question were islamised by a Ceesay family and thereof took the man's surname. |
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Edited by - MADIBA on 29 Oct 2007 11:34:43 |
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Santanfara
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Posted - 30 Oct 2007 : 13:26:28
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thanks madis.
alhasan ,yes yu are right .nyang is refer to as nyang mballow.
the problem is we don't seem to have a good fula speaker to explain the meaning of the family names. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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Santanfara
3460 Posts |
Posted - 10 Feb 2008 : 19:56:51
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| i came to know that the family name Sabally is connected to Kamara. there is a very interesting story to that effect. can any karama kunda folk tell us what the story is before a touray kunda will say any thing? lets see how much momodou and his camara relations here know about how sabally came about .it involve two brothers. .i will wait for any contributions. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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Santanfara
3460 Posts |
Posted - 12 Feb 2008 : 19:25:09
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according to oral sources ,the family name sabally came out when two brothers went to a king to marry his daughter. they are an elder brother with his younger brother. the king they say gave the brothers a code. the person who can adequately explain the code will marry his daughter. on seeing the two brothers the daughter fell inlove with the younger brother.
then the lady explain the meanings of the code to younger so that he can marry her instead of the older brother. the code is that the two brothers will be given a house to sleep in. with one bed. one of them must sleep infront. the one that sleep infront will get the wife. so the answer to code is that any one of them who sleep on the floor will be the one who sleep infront .the younger brother sleept on the floor and the older brother slept on the bed. he loose out.
the king enquire as to who sleep infront? ,they both said me. but then he further asked ,did any one sleep on the floor ,they younger brother reply yes. the king said you will marry my daughter.
on their way home to there village. the elder brother was very embarrase to loose out to his little brother. being a typical Karama kunda on crossing the river he throw himself in the middle of the river. on doing that they said the karama man turn into a crocodile. ooh. the younger brother ran back to the king and explain what happen at the river . the king summon his sorcerers. one of them said told the younger karama brother ,''your elder brother is alive in the river. take a sheep with you to the river bank and slaughter it ,the blood should go into the river water, wait and see what happen. if you see a crocoldile ,dont panic ,it will be your elder brother ,strech your hand and hold it ,he is alive.''. the yonger karama kunda did just that .when he hold the crocodile ,the elder brother turn into man and they went home. after narrating what happen ,the people exclaim by saying '' sabally'' meaning never dead. direct translation will mean some one who never die. sabally was indeed a karama man. but many fulas use the family name.  |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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Santanfara
3460 Posts |
Posted - 12 Feb 2008 : 19:49:41
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quote:
Originally posted by Janko
Yes, Kamara, kontaa kira, forro gia babungna
Maternal parentage is the Singatehs from Wuli Foday kunda, Bassending, Kabakama, Bansang, George Town and Badibou.
janko ,this is interesting. so your words ''Kamara, kontaa kira, forro gia babungna'' reveal more than you may have intended. foro gia is simple to translate. it mean a freed man hosted.but the second part is even more interesting ''babungna' goat's house .what you are saying is that the karamas are offer a goat's house a sign of respect. or can you please explain .
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Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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Santanfara
3460 Posts |
Posted - 13 Jul 2008 : 16:20:14
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Originally posted by MADIBA
Santa,
I can say that. This is because most if not all torankas originally came from Fouta Toro in Senegal or Massinah in Mali. The saidy must have been mistakenly taken for the surname on thier arrival in The Gambia in predominanatly Mandinka setup. That's in the Jarras and Kiangs.The surnames Taal, Leigh or Ly, Khan, Wone or wan are pure toranka surnames or as they are now called in Seengal Torobeh or torodo. If you go to Fouta where i have been, all these surnames are present and if you do good or well they will pamper you or compliment by adding the prefix Saidy before your surname, be it Jallow , or Khan which in Futa are the same, ly , Bah,sowe etc.
In the Jarras there are SaidyLeigh where the legendary Lamin Leigh originated, but i maybe wrong but the rest of his family carry the complete surname SaidyLeigh. There are as well SaidyKhan, SaidyWan(remember there was a politician in Jarra) and Saidybah. The Radio Gambia Journalist Lamin Saidybah is fula-speaking. I have met people in Soma who were saidybah but understand little or no fula, however they will quickly jump and tell you are fulas then but now we are mandinka.
I have seen Balantas Saidy anyway. But that could have been in the case wen they were islamised the adopted the 'master' surname. Thats not a new phenomenon, because there are Njie, Fofana, Ceesay Manjagoes.
Finally having Khan in India/Pakistan as surname, could have been a colonial accident. The brits were spelling our names and surnames as they could possibly pronounce. The late Kekoto Manneh has tried to revolutionize the re-spelling of our names and surnames when he was at Crabb Island. He used to write Fatty as Faati, Manneh as Maane, saikou as Seeku. Barry and Barrow are common Toubab names especially her in the UK. And we know those are Fula and Mandinka/Toucoulor surnames.
Madis,back to this topic. i started a thread in the history section concerning the origins of Jallow, Sidibe and Sankareh. this folks according the jalis are from masina. now, i value your analysis can you shed any light on this issue? the song goes like this "jallow nin jarkiteh, sidibe nin sankareh" . i am very curious about this links. can any one help. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
1275 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jul 2008 : 15:04:43
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Santa
Sorry for coming back to ur thread lately. I have not possibly heard this song. However, Massinah was a vast empire and had also as neighbours other empires who were not neccesarily Fulani. Massinah is in present day Mali. Its not uncommon to find in Mali, Fulas with surname Dicko, which in Mauritania, Senegal and gambia is Naar or Moor. Sankareh predominantly is Fula from Massinah. The late Thomas Sankara is one of those of origin. Some parts in present day senegal and Burkina Faos were under the former Massinah Empire. For Jakiteh, which could be Jahateh, i hve not seen any Fulani. But if i find anywthing i will come back to this thread on that. |
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Santanfara
3460 Posts |
Posted - 15 Jul 2008 : 23:35:58
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ajarama madis.
the relationship between the jahanka family names Jabbi and Gassama is sad to be close. any one with some knowledge about their relationship? Jabbi-Gassama . my use of the jahanka title Santanfara also make some to contact me privately asking if i am a drammeh which i am not. but it will be helpful if some one can tell us why the Drammehs are referred to as Drammeh kanji Santanfara.
any drammeh here,please educate us.
some mandinka with the Njie family names priase themselves as Njie kunu, what does this mean? i thought Njie is more wolof than any other. am i wrong? |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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Janko
Gambia
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tamsier
United Kingdom
556 Posts |
Posted - 31 Jul 2008 : 14:39:14
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| I must admit I am one of those are slightly confused about the surname Nyang. I always thought it was Tukuloor. |
Tamsier
Serere heritage. Serere religion. Serere to the end.
Roog a fa ha. |
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
1275 Posts |
Posted - 31 Jul 2008 : 15:37:32
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quote:
Originally posted by tamsier
I must admit I am one of those are slightly confused about the surname Nyang. I always thought it was Tukuloor.
Tam i far as i know too it is Tukulor. |
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Santanfara
3460 Posts |
Posted - 06 Aug 2009 : 18:16:47
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According to Koukoi Samba Sanyang---- Sanyang can be explain to mean the following:
the surname Sanyang is a long glorious African history which in the mandinka language means “Those who only think of how to gloriously die” in dignity but originally the Sanyangs are Keita descendants from the Manding Empire of Emperor Sundiata Keita.
source: an interview with the gambiajournal: http://www.thegambiajournal.com/artman/publish/article_2794.shtml |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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tamsier
United Kingdom
556 Posts |
Posted - 07 Aug 2009 : 19:33:29
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SANTANFARA,
HERE ARE MORE NAMES FOR YOU IF YOU ARE STILL INTERESTED.
SURNAMES:
SAMBA/SAMB = COMFORT. A POSSIBLE DERIVATION OF SAMBA IS ZAMBO [SOUTHERN/CENTRAL AFRICA], WHICH ALSO MEANS TO GIVE COMFORT IN THAT REGION. OTHER DERIVATIVES ARE SAMBU IN MANDINKA AND SAMBO IN HAUSA.
MBOOJ = ORIGINALLY 'BO' - OF KARTA ORIGIN. THE SURNAME 'BO' IS WOLOFIZED TO 'MBOOJ' JUST AS THE FULA SURNAME 'BAH/BA' IS WOLOFIZED TO 'MBACKEH'.
JAW = OF PEUL/TUKULOOR ORIGIN. POSSIBLY FROM THE SERERE [RELATIVES OF THE FULA AND TUKULOOR] WORD 'NJAW' WHICH MEANS A PREPARATION OF THE CUISINE. IN FACT, JAW IN SERERE MEANS EXACTLY THAT - TO PREPARE THE CUISINE.
JOOF = OF SERERE ORIGIN. NAME OF THE ANTILOPE [NJAF] WHICH IS THE TOTEM OF THIS FAMILY. IT SIMBOLIZES STRENGHT, GRACE AND ROYALTY, HENCE THE JOOF TAGA - ‘JOOFA NIOKHOBAI SAMBA’ - WHICH MEANS ‘JOOF ! THE GREAT NOBLES’. NJAFF - SIBOOR = OF JOOF MOTHER AND JOOF FATHER. NJIE - JATTA = OF NJIE MOTHER AND NJIE FATHER
NDOUR/NDUUR = A WEED THAT IS ABUNDANT IN THE SALOUM AND ALSO GREW IN UPPER SENEGAL DURING THE RAINY SEASON. ITS STALK WAS USED TO CONSTRUCT FENCES AND EATEN WITH CHEREH [THE SERERE CEREAL].
FORENAMES:
WAR/WARR = OF SERERE ORIGIN MEANING DEVOIR/KILLED
LOLLI/LOLLY/LOLLEY = HARVEST SEASON, OFTEN THE HOTTEST TIME OF THE YEAR.
KOTCHA/KOCHA/KOTIA/KOUTA/KOTYA = OF SERERE ORIGIN MEANING CHILD.
NJUUGUU/NJOOGUU/NJUGUU = FROM THE ANCIENT FOX DEITY OF THE DOGON CALLED 'DYOUGOU SEROU' - SON OF 'AMMA' [THEIR SUPREME GOD]. ALSO, THERE IS NJUICK/NGUICK = IN SERERE DIALECT, IT MEANS ELEPHANT. NJUICK IS A DERIVATIVE OF GNICK [ELEPHANT].
WAGANE/WAGAN/WAAGAAN = ONE WHO IS CAPABLE. IT COMES FROM THE SERERE WORD 'WAAG' - WHICH MEANS POWER.
SEDAR = OF SERERE ORIGIN, MEANING ONE THAT SHALL NOT BE HUMILIATED/THE ONE YOU CANNOT HUMILIATE.
SELBEH/SELBE = A SERERE NAME MEANING MASTER. THOUGH THE NAME IS GENERALLY RESERVED FOR WOMEN. THE NAME IS ALSO GIVEN TO THE HEAD OF THE MBAR [HOUSE OF THE NEWLY CIRCUMCISED].
BAKA = FROM THE OLD WOLOF WORD 'BAKK' - A RHYTHMIC MOTIF THAT REPRESENTS A PERSON/FAMILY CLAN. IT IS SOMETIMES USED INTERCHANGABLY WITH THE VERB 'TAGA' [THE RECITATION OF SOMEONE'S GENEALOGY AND FAMILY HISTORY]. MBAKAN [A NAME] IS ALSO A DERIVATIVE OF THIS.
DOKEL = OF SERERE ORIGIN MEANING TO SALUTE
JEGAN/DJIGAN/JEGANE/NJEGAN = OF SERERE ORIGINE MEANING PROSPERITY/PROSPER.
JIGNAK = OF SERERE ORIGIN MEANING POSSESSOR OF COW [THE SYMBOL OF AFRICAN WEALTH IN THE OLD DAYS].
NGON/NGONEH = OF SERERE ORIGIN MEANING DEATH. THIS IS A STRATEGY AFTER SEVERAL INFANT DEATHS. BY NAMING THE CHILD DEATH IT IS HOPE THAT HE OR SHE WILL LIVE A LONG LIFE [THE OPPOSITE MEANING]. NGON IS MALE AND NGONEH FEMALE.
MOOSAN = OF SERERE ORIGIN MEANING HAPPY/JOLY
NDOFFENE/NDOFEN = OF SERERE ORIGIN MEANING ABUNDANCE. IT USUALLY FOLLOWS THE NAME 'KUMBA'. KUMBA IN THE OLD DAYS WAS A UNISEX NAME JUST AS ADAMA IS A UNISEX NAME.
LATIR/LATRI/LATYR = [POSSIBLY SERERE OR MANDINKA IN ORIGIN] MEANING LIFE OF THE LAND [OR ISLAND] OR HISTORY OF THE LAND.
LODO/LOODO = FROM THE WORD LOORO [WHICH IS PRONOUNCED LOODO]. IN SALOUM, IT IS ONE OF THE SEVERAL SPECIES OF WILD FIG FOUND IN THE AREA. IN FACT, ONE OF THE MOST SOUGHT AFTER HERBAL MEDICINES FOR FOR CENTURIES.
MIÑAAN = OF SERERE ORIGIN MEANING ONE WHO WILL LIVE FOR A LONG TIME. IT COMES FROM THE SERERE WORD MIÑ [DURATION].
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Tamsier
Serere heritage. Serere religion. Serere to the end.
Roog a fa ha. |
Edited by - tamsier on 08 Aug 2009 11:06:49 |
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