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sisay
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 Posted - 22 Aug 2007 : 10:04:56
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| Let's not let this informative discussion degenerate into personal attacks or proving who is right or wrong as it is unproductive. I will offer my opinion though that it pays to read previous posts before asking questions as often times in this discussion the same question has been asked again even after it was already answered. |
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sisay
48 Posts |
Posted - 22 Aug 2007 : 11:33:04
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| Could we also share our knowledge about meaning of first names? It is not so obvious as you might think, especially if the name is not in your mother tongue. Sometimes same name has one meaning in one language and different meaning in another. For example Karamoko means master (teacher, marabout) in Mandinka but in Jola it means countryside. |
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Santanfara
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Posted - 22 Aug 2007 : 12:08:53
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sisay ,you are right .the most important thing in this topic is for us to piece together our family names and then debate them. but it is slow coming .either many don't know their family name meaning or they can't be bothered .but to unearth our history we need to know where our ancestors came from and what influence them to be who they where .thus ,the meaning of family names is very relevant to us.
the debate over camara is also important but the camaras have cleared the air about their line of history ,we have many more gambian famliy names to flick through.
names like JUWARA ,jallow ,DEM ,JAFUNEH ,sanyang .we have loads to write about .
the surname meanings have a lot to tell about our ancestors. the camara's where out right big eaters thats all . |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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Edited by - Santanfara on 22 Aug 2007 12:12:41 |
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Janko
Gambia
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Posted - 22 Aug 2007 : 12:26:14
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Sisay, your insightfullness.......thanks
Santanfara, but we don´t eat Sisay.
I think Diabaté, as explained on the CD: “nobody can refuse you anything” is a Malian Mandingka dialect, where the name originated (could be wrong)
Diabaté if translated to Gambian Mandingka in accordance with the above meaning could be;
Dia béh atéh léyéh
Dia = Sweet(ness), lovability, charm, attractiveness
Béh = Is
Atéh = Him/her
Léyéh = With/for, in the company of
A direct translation would be; Sweetness/lovability/charm/attractiveness is with/for him/her.
That in turn means; S/he is sweet, lovable, charming, attractive and irresistible. (nobody can refuse you anything)
Just a reflection, could be wrong
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Santanfara
3460 Posts |
Posted - 25 Aug 2007 : 11:06:46
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| janko ,still the meaning accorded to diabateh is not very accurate to my liken .i will try to break it down so that we can compair and contrast my swedish uncle. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
www.suntoumana.blogspot.com |
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sisay
48 Posts |
Posted - 05 Sep 2007 : 20:04:04
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I was told that all these names are Sarahule:
Sanogo, Kamatay, Timitay, Sisay, Haidara, Fofana and
Bagayogo. The Sanogo, Kamatay and Timitay clans claim to have originally come from Kong (present day Ghana) and came to Mali through Ivory Coast. Some people say that many other clan names came from Kong but came through other areas such as present day Mali and Guinea.
As for the Jobarteh name, Sidiki Diabate is not only a very credible source but this origin of the name comes from a story about the common origin of the Tarawele and Jobarteh names (two brothers). As they were going home one day, the elder brother began to talk, much talking, talking and more talking. The younger brother said "Brother, your way is good. I will give you something". So the older brother said you are right, no-one can refuse me anything". And the younger brother said you speak the truth, "i je bagateh", which means "no-one can refuse you [anything]". And that was repeated a few times, and finally it became his name.
As for Kouyateh, I have already told the story of the bala and how Jakama Dua became the first jali (first to king Sumanguru, then finally he became Sunjata's jali). Sumanguru named him Bala Faseko Kouyateh (bala fa se ko kou yan teh) which means "you make the wood talk" (bala fa se ko) "and we won't talk about it" (ko ya teh), meaning "let's keep it a secret". There are two reasons people say he wanted to keep it a secret. First, Jakama Dua defied Sumanguru's decree that no-one plays his bala on pain of death. The second reason is that to keep his new jali at his service, Sumanguru cut his achilles tendon so that he couldn't get around. So that is the origin of Sidiki Diabate's explanation of the Kouyateh name. |
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Santanfara
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Posted - 05 Sep 2007 : 20:39:56
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| good input sisay .chess.some say touray is an arabic word for elephant .i will sunstantiate today inshalah |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
www.suntoumana.blogspot.com |
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Santanfara
3460 Posts |
Posted - 05 Sep 2007 : 22:37:36
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sisay ,i can see the camaras getting nervous ,next week may be thursday fasting began. heey janko and momodou ,we are watching you .
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Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
www.suntoumana.blogspot.com |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 06 Sep 2007 : 11:42:40
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quote:
Originally posted by njucks
.. Furthermore in Wollof when you sell its 'Jaie' (verb), and the person selling is a 'Jaie-kat'(noun). the good your're selling or the goods being sold or purchased can be called 'njaie'. also the verb to jump over something can be 'njie' too.
so this theory, simple doesnt hold water.
Thanks Njucks! May I help you on this statement;'' also the verb to jump over something can be 'njie' too.''. Rectification for this 'njie' as construed here is properly pronounced with somethung similar to 'njyaye' or 'njyie' (silent 'J') or could be 'ngyaye' or 'ngyie' (silent 'G').
Its really difficult for me though 
Finally this is a good exercise to learn our oral and written history into something meaningful and initiate a research and update our Gambian resource page for future reference. |
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Alhassan
Sweden
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Posted - 06 Sep 2007 : 11:58:15
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kobo,
The verb to jump and Njie are quite different and are pronounced in different ways. Njie means goods for sale. Njucks you kan find out more because if you are njie too you must try to know you origin. Sometimes I wonder which dilect we use when we speak Wollof. Even there are some who say Ollof for Wollof. All I koow is there has been migration from the East of Gambia(TILIBO) to the west or the Gambia. We have Jahanko, Kabunko, Tilibonko.I think we have to go back and consult Seikh Anta Diops findings about the Wollofs and their origins to make sure we give better information.
Njucks,
You are the one who confuse things. Tow things are clear. The ContehJulas came to the Gambia from the East(TILIBO)
MamBamba going to Gabon is another.Lion being Njie, I said maybe came from that time. Otherwise can you tell us when the Njies got the name LION? |
Edited by - Alhassan on 06 Sep 2007 12:04:38 |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 06 Sep 2007 : 12:42:14
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Alhasan sorry to say that history is based on facts over specific periods. Njucks made reference to the historical period of the legends you referred on origin of 'njie'.
You can't deny that Nucks is not right to say that your historical facts were during the nineteen century (C19th ). Are you sayimng that there were no 'njies' before Samba laoube jie? Thats why its  .
Hope you would admit to have erred with some of your statements and arguments? Just inforn us but don't try to make us confuse please?
Njie is part of SALOUM (WOLLOF DIALECT) HISTORY! We will make further reaserach as we progress with our debate and exchanges
Hope Njucks will react to my earlier post
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Alhassan
Sweden
813 Posts |
Posted - 06 Sep 2007 : 13:01:54
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Kobo,
I am not out to confuse anybody. You have to make research from authorities of our oral history before you say I am confusing you or anything of that sort. It is you and Njucks that misunderstand.
I never said that there were no njies befor MamBamba. Njie Being Lion am refering to. Remember the migration of people from TILOBO was befor MamBamba was sent to Gabon. The dates Njucks quote here are dates the colonists came up with. Can you tell me what happened before the dates mentioned here? Njie is not part of Saloum. There are njies who are SoloumSaloum and others fron Cajor(DjorDjor), Walo(WaloWalo), Sene and SeneSaloum(Serer). Even withn Kabu there are Njies. In Cassamance there are Njies too up to Podor, Matam and Mali. Njies were Conte or Jarra or Tunkara before they became Njie. This was long before the Portuguese came to West Africa.
Note that the oral history I qoute here is the unwritten one that the Europeans have no clue of. Seikh Anta is good reference in this. |
Edited by - Alhassan on 06 Sep 2007 13:05:56 |
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Santanfara
3460 Posts |
Posted - 06 Sep 2007 : 13:13:19
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i though that mansasulu and breadman would have furnish us with serere family names but that didn't happen. i know that JAW is serere ,but one need the skill of that language to explain better. we also mention MENDY earleir .this may be easy to explain as it also use in protugal .similarly GOMEZ is also easy .
what i cannot get my head round is JALLOW AND NYANG .i need to know this meanings .NYANG is link to SAIDY .SAIDY is link to KHAN ,khan is also link to LEY .if we can decodes this family names in that line it will be easy .
the jallows are commonly refer to a pulo jerri .now what is a jerri ?
easy methods will unpin many names.
we don't want to consentrate on the mandinka names ,we need every thing ,the full monty . |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
www.suntoumana.blogspot.com |
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Santanfara
3460 Posts |
Posted - 06 Sep 2007 : 13:15:46
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| i just remember my former head masters family name .KUJABI .could kujabi be a different pronouncement of jabi. i wonder .but i guess not . |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
www.suntoumana.blogspot.com |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 06 Sep 2007 : 13:49:45
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quote:
Originally posted by Alhassan
Kobo,
I am not out to confuse anybody. ...
You appear to be very complicated. Are you an autority with our history or more authoritative with our understanding of certain hsitorical background information?
We have pre-dated periods for e,g Before Manding empire to start from, the Manding Empire, History of major communities under SALOUM, KAYOR etc and other history we share within Sene-gambia, Mali, Guinea, Mauritania and other parts of West Africa.
Stop hijacking this important topic with advancing your thoughts as the FACTS and AUTHENTIC TRUE OR RELIABLE HISTORY Thats why Nucks says its nonsense and I endorse it that you appear to be confused Hopefully we will gather lots of information and facts gradually through further research
This topic is not about you Alashan! You don't own njie please
Enjoy your day! |
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