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Alhassan
Sweden
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 Posted - 03 May 2007 : 09:08:31
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Originally posted by ylowe
KAYJATTA,
I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU THAT DEMOCRACY DOES NOT EQUATES DEVELOPMENT. THE TICKET OUT OF POVERTY IS ECONOMIC FREEDOM AND NOT DEMOCRACY. DEMOCRACY IS A SECONDARY FACTOR AND IT HELPS WITH ACCOUNTABILITY AND TRANSPARENCY, ETC, ETC. CITIZENS OF CERTAINS COUNTRIES ARE OPPRESSED BUT THEY ENJOY A HIGHER STANDARD OF LIVING THAN SOME DEMOCRACIES. I STILL WANT DEMOCRACY FOR THE GAMBIA TOGETHER WITH ECONOMIC FREEDOM.
Kayjatta,
I only hope that most of the words and sentences written here shall be put in pratice some day. Remember, paper does not refuse ink. It is very easy to sit and write a lot on how to rule a country and all what not , but it is the pratice that is more important.
Paper tigers have decieved Gambia before and we must be careful of them in the feature. There has been too much talking and writing from the US to Koina in the Gambia, but nothing has materialised.
What is the next step? When shall the words be put to pratice? |
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dbaldeh
USA
934 Posts |
Posted - 03 May 2007 : 09:38:41
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I must admit the debate is getting very interesting and mature. I must warn that we must not inject religious ideology(way of life) into this debate. I do however, agree that faith is important in human life but people must be able to choose which faith to embrace. It is a matter of choice.
Often when we debate about development or social issues we tend to be carried away with ideology or political affiliation.
The fact of the matter is that regardless of what system of government is envisioned, the interest of the people and their social conditions must be addressed. There are basic fundamental needs that every society needs. Sufficient food supplies, Access to decent healthcare and educational system, shelter and transportation are basic needs that any progressive society needs to bring to its people. Now what system of administration we can use to achieve these goals remains the fundamental question.
We must recognized that every society may need a different combination of administrative and economic formula to address the needs of its citizenry. In the case of our tiny Gambia, we need both an open political system and a strong social democratic system to protect the weak and promote the strong. We must lay down a strong foundation in conjunction with social institutions that will sustain the growing demands of our society. Only and only when we are able to build a strong foundation can we nurture a system and guarantee liberty and dignity for our people. That foundation unfortunately is what is missing in the Gambia.
It is sometimes ironic to say that Jawara's thirty years of power encourages strong democratic foundation. No viable democratic or sustainable economic institution was built during Jawara's time. Instead, what we had was a myth with formal elections held every five years just like Iraqis held their elections during Saddam's rule. Gambia's demise and lack of political and economic identity started from the very unset Jawara and his group took over the reign of our country. The failure cannot be underestimated.
There is less need to cry over spilled milk. The damage has been done long since and we must deal with the consequences. What then is the way forward?
We as gambians and friends of the Gambia have a lot of responsibility and blame to take in Gambia's present circumstances. If all the brains of a nation are eroded, how could the least productive or intellectually disadvantage achieve the highest goals for a nation. A President or government is as good as the people running it. Therefore, what we have in Gambia today is what we deserve.
We as citizens and future leaders have chosen our individual interest over the interest of our nation. As a result, the brain drain has reached climax to the extend that we can only act as outsiders and the government look at us as selfish and uncaring. It is time we ask "what we did for our country instead of asking what our country did for us" JFK JR. To be continued... |
Baldeh,
"Be the change you want to see in the world" Ghandi
Visit http://www.gainako.com for your daily news and politics |
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dbaldeh
USA
934 Posts |
Posted - 03 May 2007 : 09:38:41
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I must admit the debate is getting very interesting and mature. I must warn that we must not inject religious ideology(way of life) into this debate. I do however, agree that faith is important in human life but people must be able to choose which faith to embrace. It is a matter of choice.
Often when we debate about development or social issues we tend to be carried away with ideology or political affiliation.
The fact of the matter is that regardless of what system of government is envisioned, the interest of the people and their social conditions must be addressed. There are basic fundamental needs that every society needs. Sufficient food supplies, Access to decent healthcare and educational system, shelter and transportation are basic needs that any progressive society needs to bring to its people. Now what system of administration we can use to achieve these goals remains the fundamental question.
We must recognized that every society may need a different combination of administrative and economic formula to address the needs of its citizenry. In the case of our tiny Gambia, we need both an open political system and a strong social democratic system to protect the weak and promote the strong. We must lay down a strong foundation in conjunction with social institutions that will sustain the growing demands of our society. Only and only when we are able to build a strong foundation can we nurture a system and guarantee liberty and dignity for our people. That foundation unfortunately is what is missing in the Gambia.
It is sometimes ironic to say that Jawara's thirty years of power encourages strong democratic foundation. No viable democratic or sustainable economic institution was built during Jawara's time. Instead, what we had was a myth with formal elections held every five years just like Iraqis held their elections during Saddam's rule. Gambia's demise and lack of political and economic identity started from the very unset Jawara and his group took over the reign of our country. The failure cannot be underestimated.
There is less need to cry over spilled milk. The damage has been done long since and we must deal with the consequences. What then is the way forward?
We as gambians and friends of the Gambia have a lot of responsibility and blame to take in Gambia's present circumstances. If all the brains of a nation are eroded, how could the least productive or intellectually disadvantage achieve the highest goals for a nation. A President or government is as good as the people running it. Therefore, what we have in Gambia today is what we deserve.
We as citizens and future leaders have chosen our individual interest over the interest of our nation. As a result, the brain drain has reached climax to the extend that we can only act as outsiders and the government look at us as selfish and uncaring. It is time we ask "what we did for our country instead of asking what our country did for us" JFK JR. To be continued... |
Baldeh,
"Be the change you want to see in the world" Ghandi
Visit http://www.gainako.com for your daily news and politics |
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kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 03 May 2007 : 10:13:17
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Alhassan , let's not be pessimistic. Werner Heisenberg , a German quantum physicist and conemporary of Albert Einstein once said that "...our intellectual pride requires that we are optimistic". I am confident that every word i personally put up here could be translated into concrete action.
Every action starts as a thought , and then words. The words and ideas we put up here are an integral part of a comprehensive action to salvage our country. Sound ideas are the fertile ground for change. Nkrumah and his contemporaries during the independent era started like this in the diaspora. |
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kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 03 May 2007 : 10:13:17
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Alhassan , let's not be pessimistic. Werner Heisenberg , a German quantum physicist and conemporary of Albert Einstein once said that "...our intellectual pride requires that we are optimistic". I am confident that every word i personally put up here could be translated into concrete action.
Every action starts as a thought , and then words. The words and ideas we put up here are an integral part of a comprehensive action to salvage our country. Sound ideas are the fertile ground for change. Nkrumah and his contemporaries during the independent era started like this in the diaspora. |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 03 May 2007 : 11:23:20
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Alhassan,
Your worries are genuine. You only need to beat that fear about purported PAPER TIGERS having their way to dupe us as society. We are having to undo that wider ENVIRONMENT where such paper tigers and other maggots breed. Take it with no blend of doubt that in the abundance of very selfish and deceptive persons our society faces, we still have others, very genuine, able, and sincere. The future we are seeking to shape in this discourse is one without room for those paper tigers. It was a fabric of the past regime and still a big part of the current regime that a person is given certain jobs because they passed through the four walls of what is called college or university. The same people sat/sit on those jobs for decades without producing and they had/have all the resources at their dosposal. Now, little children are going to those same universities and coming to discover that the university assignments do not transform brains. It is all simulation to some extent. That is not the thing. When we stand serious about it, the pool of efforts needed to jump-start Gambia from decades of breakdown is nothing in short supply. That bit we all recognise as SELFISHNESS is what the paper tigers and others like them have used against the rest. In the future, the tools and the expertise to detect redundancies will be put to good use. It does not matter whether we live to enjoy the fruits of perceived changes. What is important is to set Gambia on good grounds. That is possible. It is time we strip off the current players and their instruments of exploitation so that better hands and better tools can be installed. That is possible too. In the absence of A PERFECT model anywhere, we are free to build our own and freer to call it any name. No -isms, or -acies. Without a name, a baby is still human. |
Karamba |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 03 May 2007 : 11:23:20
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Alhassan,
Your worries are genuine. You only need to beat that fear about purported PAPER TIGERS having their way to dupe us as society. We are having to undo that wider ENVIRONMENT where such paper tigers and other maggots breed. Take it with no blend of doubt that in the abundance of very selfish and deceptive persons our society faces, we still have others, very genuine, able, and sincere. The future we are seeking to shape in this discourse is one without room for those paper tigers. It was a fabric of the past regime and still a big part of the current regime that a person is given certain jobs because they passed through the four walls of what is called college or university. The same people sat/sit on those jobs for decades without producing and they had/have all the resources at their dosposal. Now, little children are going to those same universities and coming to discover that the university assignments do not transform brains. It is all simulation to some extent. That is not the thing. When we stand serious about it, the pool of efforts needed to jump-start Gambia from decades of breakdown is nothing in short supply. That bit we all recognise as SELFISHNESS is what the paper tigers and others like them have used against the rest. In the future, the tools and the expertise to detect redundancies will be put to good use. It does not matter whether we live to enjoy the fruits of perceived changes. What is important is to set Gambia on good grounds. That is possible. It is time we strip off the current players and their instruments of exploitation so that better hands and better tools can be installed. That is possible too. In the absence of A PERFECT model anywhere, we are free to build our own and freer to call it any name. No -isms, or -acies. Without a name, a baby is still human. |
Karamba |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 03 May 2007 : 11:30:26
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The debate is getting interesting. However my opinion is that before you institute A PROPER DEMOCRACY AND SOUND DEMOCRACTIC STRUCTURES the first CHALLENGE is how to INSTITUE A GOOD GOVERNMENT that would facilitate the enabling atmosphere, revolutionise THE SYSTEM and TOTAL REVAMP OF THE CONSITUTION. We haven't reach that STAGE YET am afraid??? Gambia is a SECULAR SOCIETY with DIVERSITY OF CULTURES and OUR NATIONAL ANTHEM IS A SOLID FOUNDATION!!
How can we we CHANGE THE SYSTEM? How to INSTITUTE A BETTER GOVERNMENT within NEXT COMING YEARS? Gambians are incredible, INTELLIGENT and WITH MANY INTELLECTUALS! Can they SAVE THE POLITICAL SITUATION AT HOME and eliminate the FEAR AND PARANOID for the OPPOSITION PARTY and CITIZENS who have basic human rights?
I refer you to my propsal for a UNITED NATIONAL FRONT!
God bless you ALL! |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 03 May 2007 : 11:30:26
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The debate is getting interesting. However my opinion is that before you institute A PROPER DEMOCRACY AND SOUND DEMOCRACTIC STRUCTURES the first CHALLENGE is how to INSTITUE A GOOD GOVERNMENT that would facilitate the enabling atmosphere, revolutionise THE SYSTEM and TOTAL REVAMP OF THE CONSITUTION. We haven't reach that STAGE YET am afraid??? Gambia is a SECULAR SOCIETY with DIVERSITY OF CULTURES and OUR NATIONAL ANTHEM IS A SOLID FOUNDATION!!
How can we we CHANGE THE SYSTEM? How to INSTITUTE A BETTER GOVERNMENT within NEXT COMING YEARS? Gambians are incredible, INTELLIGENT and WITH MANY INTELLECTUALS! Can they SAVE THE POLITICAL SITUATION AT HOME and eliminate the FEAR AND PARANOID for the OPPOSITION PARTY and CITIZENS who have basic human rights?
I refer you to my propsal for a UNITED NATIONAL FRONT!
God bless you ALL! |
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ylowe
USA
217 Posts |
Posted - 03 May 2007 : 12:40:34
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quote:
Originally posted by Alhassan
quote:
Originally posted by ylowe
KAYJATTA,
I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU THAT DEMOCRACY DOES NOT EQUATES DEVELOPMENT. THE TICKET OUT OF POVERTY IS ECONOMIC FREEDOM AND NOT DEMOCRACY. DEMOCRACY IS A SECONDARY FACTOR AND IT HELPS WITH ACCOUNTABILITY AND TRANSPARENCY, ETC, ETC. CITIZENS OF CERTAINS COUNTRIES ARE OPPRESSED BUT THEY ENJOY A HIGHER STANDARD OF LIVING THAN SOME DEMOCRACIES. I STILL WANT DEMOCRACY FOR THE GAMBIA TOGETHER WITH ECONOMIC FREEDOM.
Kayjatta,
I only hope that most of the words and sentences written here shall be put in pratice some day. Remember, paper does not refuse ink. It is very easy to sit and write a lot on how to rule a country and all what not , but it is the pratice that is more important.
Paper tigers have decieved Gambia before and we must be careful of them in the feature. There has been too much talking and writing from the US to Koina in the Gambia, but nothing has materialised.
What is the next step? When shall the words be put to pratice?
Just some ideas that i wanted to share. Infact some of them might not even work in practice but they look so good theorically. bye |
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ylowe
USA
217 Posts |
Posted - 03 May 2007 : 12:40:34
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quote:
Originally posted by Alhassan
quote:
Originally posted by ylowe
KAYJATTA,
I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU THAT DEMOCRACY DOES NOT EQUATES DEVELOPMENT. THE TICKET OUT OF POVERTY IS ECONOMIC FREEDOM AND NOT DEMOCRACY. DEMOCRACY IS A SECONDARY FACTOR AND IT HELPS WITH ACCOUNTABILITY AND TRANSPARENCY, ETC, ETC. CITIZENS OF CERTAINS COUNTRIES ARE OPPRESSED BUT THEY ENJOY A HIGHER STANDARD OF LIVING THAN SOME DEMOCRACIES. I STILL WANT DEMOCRACY FOR THE GAMBIA TOGETHER WITH ECONOMIC FREEDOM.
Kayjatta,
I only hope that most of the words and sentences written here shall be put in pratice some day. Remember, paper does not refuse ink. It is very easy to sit and write a lot on how to rule a country and all what not , but it is the pratice that is more important.
Paper tigers have decieved Gambia before and we must be careful of them in the feature. There has been too much talking and writing from the US to Koina in the Gambia, but nothing has materialised.
What is the next step? When shall the words be put to pratice?
Just some ideas that i wanted to share. Infact some of them might not even work in practice but they look so good theorically. bye |
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kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 03 May 2007 : 12:49:20
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| Good , but could you tell us please which idea will not work in practice , so we can discuss that one ? |
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kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 03 May 2007 : 12:49:20
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| Good , but could you tell us please which idea will not work in practice , so we can discuss that one ? |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 03 May 2007 : 12:59:59
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Kobo,
At this stage we are not too far away from setting the platform. It does not all come once. What we are on now is part of the process. Before we plunge with resources in the real arena, it makes sense for us to tender our diverse views for further discussion. By that process, our mistakes and differing views can be harmonised on the screen. Current dispensation of public service in Gambia is one where resources are committed, mistakes made, and regrets sensed. For now we can afford to make mistakes in text by the keyboard. That is postive error sanctioning. The cost is more unbearable when some UN-THINKING custodians of our shared resources act on decisions without consultation and whole bank of resources left at their discretion for subsequent blow-up. We can all move from this level by chipping in with what each thinks is the way forward. Let us bury our self esteem and biased opinons. When a view point is marred up, the view holder should feel no shame to shelf it up if having to abandon it may hurt. Later we can choose which material ideas are suitable for the foundation, walls, or fittings. For now, everyone is doing great. |
Karamba |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 03 May 2007 : 12:59:59
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Kobo,
At this stage we are not too far away from setting the platform. It does not all come once. What we are on now is part of the process. Before we plunge with resources in the real arena, it makes sense for us to tender our diverse views for further discussion. By that process, our mistakes and differing views can be harmonised on the screen. Current dispensation of public service in Gambia is one where resources are committed, mistakes made, and regrets sensed. For now we can afford to make mistakes in text by the keyboard. That is postive error sanctioning. The cost is more unbearable when some UN-THINKING custodians of our shared resources act on decisions without consultation and whole bank of resources left at their discretion for subsequent blow-up. We can all move from this level by chipping in with what each thinks is the way forward. Let us bury our self esteem and biased opinons. When a view point is marred up, the view holder should feel no shame to shelf it up if having to abandon it may hurt. Later we can choose which material ideas are suitable for the foundation, walls, or fittings. For now, everyone is doing great. |
Karamba |
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