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dbaldeh
USA
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 Posted - 01 May 2007 : 17:46:13
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Somita, we can argue all on everything, but conducting a case study of western life standards compared to ours tells us everything we need to know to improve on what we have.
My take is that no good system of government belongs to anyone unless others wants to believe so. If a democratic system works for the West and their standard of living improves significantly over what we have, then it is time we rethink our own. If it works for them it can work for us too. We are all human beings and wants the samething in life.
We all want freedom and liberty, we all need access to clean drinking water and abundance food supplies. We all need access to decent education and healthcare system. We want right to personal property and freedom to choose. What is it then that they have that we can't get? Why our countries continue to be ravaged by civil war and unrest? Can we use the very best system in the world to suit our own needs? I don't see anything wrong in embracing a good system even if it originates from someone else. This is our problem, we don't seems to have any identity or way forward from time memorial. What is wrong with us???????, Selfish, ignorant, dumb, smart but lazy, or what is it?????? |
Baldeh,
"Be the change you want to see in the world" Ghandi
Visit http://www.gainako.com for your daily news and politics |
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dbaldeh
USA
934 Posts |
Posted - 01 May 2007 : 17:46:13
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Somita, we can argue all on everything, but conducting a case study of western life standards compared to ours tells us everything we need to know to improve on what we have.
My take is that no good system of government belongs to anyone unless others wants to believe so. If a democratic system works for the West and their standard of living improves significantly over what we have, then it is time we rethink our own. If it works for them it can work for us too. We are all human beings and wants the samething in life.
We all want freedom and liberty, we all need access to clean drinking water and abundance food supplies. We all need access to decent education and healthcare system. We want right to personal property and freedom to choose. What is it then that they have that we can't get? Why our countries continue to be ravaged by civil war and unrest? Can we use the very best system in the world to suit our own needs? I don't see anything wrong in embracing a good system even if it originates from someone else. This is our problem, we don't seems to have any identity or way forward from time memorial. What is wrong with us???????, Selfish, ignorant, dumb, smart but lazy, or what is it?????? |
Baldeh,
"Be the change you want to see in the world" Ghandi
Visit http://www.gainako.com for your daily news and politics |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 01 May 2007 : 19:40:55
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| It is one of severe defeatist wholesome weakness to conclude that democracy is only for one set of humans. Every advance in development is a product of the human family. Even in one and the same society, some people are more aware and more curious to know than many others. There is no uniform standard when it comes to deal with humans. Machines may have uniformity in standards due to specific blend of inputs. Humans too share blood heart and soul. Yet we are different. The highest thinking persons in one under-developed society are more advanced in mind than the lowest thinking in the most advanced societies. We belong where we count. If majority of Gambians/Africans stay up with the retarded mentality that certain level of development is not for them, that is a home made desaster. Even where a system of shared responsibility and shared benefits was not given the name democracy, it is still good for any society that chooses to advance its lot. Get it clear that good living is something every person deserves. Out of the backward thinking lot, those who choose and commit themselves will reach the highest point in human achievement, period. If majority of Gambians settle on dusty grounds that certain advancement is not for them, that is a thing by itself. |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 01 May 2007 : 19:40:55
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| It is one of severe defeatist wholesome weakness to conclude that democracy is only for one set of humans. Every advance in development is a product of the human family. Even in one and the same society, some people are more aware and more curious to know than many others. There is no uniform standard when it comes to deal with humans. Machines may have uniformity in standards due to specific blend of inputs. Humans too share blood heart and soul. Yet we are different. The highest thinking persons in one under-developed society are more advanced in mind than the lowest thinking in the most advanced societies. We belong where we count. If majority of Gambians/Africans stay up with the retarded mentality that certain level of development is not for them, that is a home made desaster. Even where a system of shared responsibility and shared benefits was not given the name democracy, it is still good for any society that chooses to advance its lot. Get it clear that good living is something every person deserves. Out of the backward thinking lot, those who choose and commit themselves will reach the highest point in human achievement, period. If majority of Gambians settle on dusty grounds that certain advancement is not for them, that is a thing by itself. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 01 May 2007 : 19:58:57
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Something to learn about POLITICS & DEMOCRACY on integrated topic: Turkish President Vote Goes To Court under http://www.gambia.dk/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3588
Mansasula, Karamaba, Somita, Salimina keep up this topic lively as time permits RESOLUTIONS AND NEW OPPORTUNITIES would follow through.
Kayjiatta I await your promise to help us out of the QUADMIRES!!!!!
Its PROBLEM SOLVING TIME FOR SOLUTIONS TO GAMBIAN POLITICS AND SEEK A MODEL DEMOCRACY AS A GREAT NATION AND GOOD CITIZENS OF THE WORLD.
LETS SET THE STANDARDS FOR OURSELVES.
Let JUSTICE GUIDE OUR ACTIONS! |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 01 May 2007 : 19:58:57
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Something to learn about POLITICS & DEMOCRACY on integrated topic: Turkish President Vote Goes To Court under http://www.gambia.dk/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3588
Mansasula, Karamaba, Somita, Salimina keep up this topic lively as time permits RESOLUTIONS AND NEW OPPORTUNITIES would follow through.
Kayjiatta I await your promise to help us out of the QUADMIRES!!!!!
Its PROBLEM SOLVING TIME FOR SOLUTIONS TO GAMBIAN POLITICS AND SEEK A MODEL DEMOCRACY AS A GREAT NATION AND GOOD CITIZENS OF THE WORLD.
LETS SET THE STANDARDS FOR OURSELVES.
Let JUSTICE GUIDE OUR ACTIONS! |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 01 May 2007 : 20:15:07
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| One way of solving Gambia's current problem is by addressing and disallowing selfish persons mislead us. |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 01 May 2007 : 20:15:07
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| One way of solving Gambia's current problem is by addressing and disallowing selfish persons mislead us. |
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kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 02 May 2007 : 08:34:34
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Kobo: what is happening in Turkey is very interesting , and Mr. Gul (the apparent winner of the election) himself said today that no one should try to make a logical understanding of his country's political impasse. However , I do not think Turkey's political stalemate is magical either. Clearly the Turkish people do not want political Islam and they do not also want the military in politics. The Turkish people prefer secular democracy.
Coming back to our country , the Gambia ; there are apparently two pathways to self-actualization in government and economics. One is desirable , the other is not .
The desirable pathway to political and economic self-actualization in the Gambia will be the active co-operation of the APRC regime to the building and strengtening of democratic institutions that absolutely guarantees freedom , liberty and prosperity for all Gambians. Jammeh has the power today to transform the Gambia into a champion of democracy in Africa. He could precipitously decide not to run for office again ; call for a constitutional amendment for a term limit for president , absolute independence of the legislature and judiciary; and de-militarize the government.This hopefully will result in free and fair elections to make peacefull change of government a reality in the Gambia. The opposition has abig stake in this however. Atleast they must put their house together.
The undesirable pathway to political and economic change in the Gambia could come about as a cataclysmic eruption of anger , frustration and helplessness of the citizenry towards a regime that fails their political and economic demands for too long . We ceratinly do not want this happen in our country , so we must make politics-dialogue and debate- work. |
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kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 02 May 2007 : 08:34:34
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Kobo: what is happening in Turkey is very interesting , and Mr. Gul (the apparent winner of the election) himself said today that no one should try to make a logical understanding of his country's political impasse. However , I do not think Turkey's political stalemate is magical either. Clearly the Turkish people do not want political Islam and they do not also want the military in politics. The Turkish people prefer secular democracy.
Coming back to our country , the Gambia ; there are apparently two pathways to self-actualization in government and economics. One is desirable , the other is not .
The desirable pathway to political and economic self-actualization in the Gambia will be the active co-operation of the APRC regime to the building and strengtening of democratic institutions that absolutely guarantees freedom , liberty and prosperity for all Gambians. Jammeh has the power today to transform the Gambia into a champion of democracy in Africa. He could precipitously decide not to run for office again ; call for a constitutional amendment for a term limit for president , absolute independence of the legislature and judiciary; and de-militarize the government.This hopefully will result in free and fair elections to make peacefull change of government a reality in the Gambia. The opposition has abig stake in this however. Atleast they must put their house together.
The undesirable pathway to political and economic change in the Gambia could come about as a cataclysmic eruption of anger , frustration and helplessness of the citizenry towards a regime that fails their political and economic demands for too long . We ceratinly do not want this happen in our country , so we must make politics-dialogue and debate- work. |
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jambo
3300 Posts |
Posted - 02 May 2007 : 11:50:12
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Kayjatta you have some interesting points, but it starts at roots level, why are some schools paying teachers and others are not, better pay would help, if school fees are being paid, then the schools could pay teachers simple economics, but the some schools practice their own rules. look at the education forum. if a school does not balance its books what happens, i am thinking of armitage, runs by non-gambians, if fees are being paid then the books should b alance.
another expample the bus service, drivers are a rule to themseleves, no timetable, not regulatory, they can run brikama to banjul, only to terminate at westfield and charge passengers twice.
small drips, become a trickle, becomes a major repair |
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jambo
3300 Posts |
Posted - 02 May 2007 : 11:50:12
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Kayjatta you have some interesting points, but it starts at roots level, why are some schools paying teachers and others are not, better pay would help, if school fees are being paid, then the schools could pay teachers simple economics, but the some schools practice their own rules. look at the education forum. if a school does not balance its books what happens, i am thinking of armitage, runs by non-gambians, if fees are being paid then the books should b alance.
another expample the bus service, drivers are a rule to themseleves, no timetable, not regulatory, they can run brikama to banjul, only to terminate at westfield and charge passengers twice.
small drips, become a trickle, becomes a major repair |
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mansasulu
997 Posts |
Posted - 02 May 2007 : 15:11:18
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I am still having trouble wrapping my head around the notion that democracy equates development. Certainly, Gambia was more democratic during the time of Jawara and we were not better off. Senegal is more democratic than Gambia, and yet still we rank higher than them on the HDI. You look the so called progressive democracies, Botswana, South Africa and read about the social problems they are facing and you cringe.
The fact of the matter is that demopcracy promotes greed, it has no respect for the communual ties that have cemented African societies for so long and above all it leads to moral decadence of a society. If that is the price to "development" then I do not want it.
I have no problems with development. What I have a problem is the price at which we are attempting to gain development. The problem is following a system that does not suit us for over 40 years and expecting it to all of a sudden fit our ethos. |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
Edited by - mansasulu on 02 May 2007 15:13:59 |
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mansasulu
997 Posts |
Posted - 02 May 2007 : 15:11:18
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I am still having trouble wrapping my head around the notion that democracy equates development. Certainly, Gambia was more democratic during the time of Jawara and we were not better off. Senegal is more democratic than Gambia, and yet still we rank higher than them on the HDI. You look the so called progressive democracies, Botswana, South Africa and read about the social problems they are facing and you cringe.
The fact of the matter is that demopcracy promotes greed, it has no respect for the communual ties that have cemented African societies for so long and above all it leads to moral decadence of a society. If that is the price to "development" then I do not want it.
I have no problems with development. What I have a problem is the price at which we are attempting to gain development. The problem is following a system that does not suit us for over 40 years and expecting it to all of a sudden fit our ethos. |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
Edited by - mansasulu on 02 May 2007 15:13:59 |
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jambo
3300 Posts |
Posted - 02 May 2007 : 15:54:02
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| point taken mansulu, if the style of shoe does not suit, get another style. my problem is this, change is there, but people are not getting the message on how to go about it. It is still secret whispers in Gambia. if the newspapers and media had more freedom things would be discussed and walls would be broken down. |
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