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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 04 May 2007 : 23:56:50
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What I love about gambia is it is a melting pot of people and ideas.
Gambians are tolerant, kind, non-judgemental, easy going etc
But if an Islamic state was formed, I couldnt agree with it. |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
3091 Posts |
Posted - 04 May 2007 : 23:56:50
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What I love about gambia is it is a melting pot of people and ideas.
Gambians are tolerant, kind, non-judgemental, easy going etc
But if an Islamic state was formed, I couldnt agree with it. |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 05 May 2007 : 04:20:56
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gambiabev
Demonization of Islam at work. Perhaps gambians being tolerant, kind and non-judgemental are due to their religion? Possible? |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 05 May 2007 : 04:20:56
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gambiabev
Demonization of Islam at work. Perhaps gambians being tolerant, kind and non-judgemental are due to their religion? Possible? |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Ebra
Gambia
268 Posts |
Posted - 05 May 2007 : 06:15:32
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| We already got a DEMOCRATIC SYSTEM, so it is friutless to think about Isalmic State. Gambia consists of different religious groups, so imposing laws on Non-Muslims contravanes their basic Human Rights which is uncall for. Think about imposing the same law in your own country and see repercussions. |
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Ebra
Gambia
268 Posts |
Posted - 05 May 2007 : 06:15:32
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| We already got a DEMOCRATIC SYSTEM, so it is friutless to think about Isalmic State. Gambia consists of different religious groups, so imposing laws on Non-Muslims contravanes their basic Human Rights which is uncall for. Think about imposing the same law in your own country and see repercussions. |
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dbaldeh
USA
934 Posts |
Posted - 05 May 2007 : 09:55:54
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Religion being it Islam or Judism is a way of life. Any mature human being has the right to follow the faith they belief in. The key message in Islam itself is one of teaching and showing people the way of Allah/God. Even the prophet never advocate force ideology on neither his followers nor his enemies.
The idea of an Islamic state in the Gambia will never be realistic. Religion is the most dividing factor in the world. Many of the problems in the world are cause by religious bigots. The powerful message of faith has been abused by selfish individuals in an effort to dominate the world. It is not about faith, but about power and greed.
As Gambiabev mentioned earlier, religion should stay in our Mosques, churches and individual households. It does not belong to our public offices. Often the people who advocate the word of god have the darkest secrets in their lives. It is the biggest myth ever...
Religion is about having a clean heart and caring about your fellow human beings. We can practice religion in our own lives without imposing our beliefs on people. This is the bottom line and it is not to say we should not embrace it in our daily lives but not to an extreme. Everyone of us will be accountable individually and not collectively.
God bless our hearts |
Baldeh,
"Be the change you want to see in the world" Ghandi
Visit http://www.gainako.com for your daily news and politics |
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dbaldeh
USA
934 Posts |
Posted - 05 May 2007 : 09:55:54
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Religion being it Islam or Judism is a way of life. Any mature human being has the right to follow the faith they belief in. The key message in Islam itself is one of teaching and showing people the way of Allah/God. Even the prophet never advocate force ideology on neither his followers nor his enemies.
The idea of an Islamic state in the Gambia will never be realistic. Religion is the most dividing factor in the world. Many of the problems in the world are cause by religious bigots. The powerful message of faith has been abused by selfish individuals in an effort to dominate the world. It is not about faith, but about power and greed.
As Gambiabev mentioned earlier, religion should stay in our Mosques, churches and individual households. It does not belong to our public offices. Often the people who advocate the word of god have the darkest secrets in their lives. It is the biggest myth ever...
Religion is about having a clean heart and caring about your fellow human beings. We can practice religion in our own lives without imposing our beliefs on people. This is the bottom line and it is not to say we should not embrace it in our daily lives but not to an extreme. Everyone of us will be accountable individually and not collectively.
God bless our hearts |
Baldeh,
"Be the change you want to see in the world" Ghandi
Visit http://www.gainako.com for your daily news and politics |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 05 May 2007 : 11:11:09
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Originally posted by mansasulu
Kobo, may I remind you that the constitution is irrevant in the Gambia. Jammeh is the defacto constitution in the Gambia. He does what he wants regardless of what is stated in the constitution. Everyday, Jammeh abuses that constitution and there is no body to challenge him.
MANSA! I must have oversighted your reaction as quote above. "there is no body to challenge him?". What about the IMAMS of THe Gambia. Is it a CHALLENGE FOR THEM OR DO YOU LOST CONFINDENCE in them? HOW CAN WE CHALLENGE JAMMEH?
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Originally posted by mansasulu
Kobo, I think it is very inaccurate to classify Gambia as a secular society. Be it Muslims or Christians, Gambians are religious people. It is one of the ways the west has succeeded in throwing words at us so much so that we confuse the meaning of secular.
MANSA! I need not belabour on the context of usage of the word SECULAR. Secular means AUTHORITY, POLICY OR DOCTRINE to guarantee freedom and equality or in other words EGALITARIAN. SECULAR = RELIGION or RELIGIOUS as they are all DOCTRINES based on certain MORAL RULES OR LAWS as I understand it. However thats a trivial issue. What is at stake is CHALLENGING A DICTATAOR, ANARCHY SYSTEM, SUFFERING, FEAR AND RAMPANT ABUSE OF THE CONSTITUTION.
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 05 May 2007 : 11:11:09
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Originally posted by mansasulu
Kobo, may I remind you that the constitution is irrevant in the Gambia. Jammeh is the defacto constitution in the Gambia. He does what he wants regardless of what is stated in the constitution. Everyday, Jammeh abuses that constitution and there is no body to challenge him.
MANSA! I must have oversighted your reaction as quote above. "there is no body to challenge him?". What about the IMAMS of THe Gambia. Is it a CHALLENGE FOR THEM OR DO YOU LOST CONFINDENCE in them? HOW CAN WE CHALLENGE JAMMEH?
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Originally posted by mansasulu
Kobo, I think it is very inaccurate to classify Gambia as a secular society. Be it Muslims or Christians, Gambians are religious people. It is one of the ways the west has succeeded in throwing words at us so much so that we confuse the meaning of secular.
MANSA! I need not belabour on the context of usage of the word SECULAR. Secular means AUTHORITY, POLICY OR DOCTRINE to guarantee freedom and equality or in other words EGALITARIAN. SECULAR = RELIGION or RELIGIOUS as they are all DOCTRINES based on certain MORAL RULES OR LAWS as I understand it. However thats a trivial issue. What is at stake is CHALLENGING A DICTATAOR, ANARCHY SYSTEM, SUFFERING, FEAR AND RAMPANT ABUSE OF THE CONSTITUTION.
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 05 May 2007 : 16:11:09
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| To have a congregation of Muslims/Christian without clean heart is worse than a club of jolly timers harmlessly enjoying their happy hours. |
Karamba |
Edited by - Karamba on 05 May 2007 16:12:17 |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 05 May 2007 : 16:11:09
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| To have a congregation of Muslims/Christian without clean heart is worse than a club of jolly timers harmlessly enjoying their happy hours. |
Karamba |
Edited by - Karamba on 05 May 2007 16:12:17 |
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mansasulu
997 Posts |
Posted - 07 May 2007 : 14:53:44
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Brother Salimina, may I remind you that "Sharia is not my notion." Rather it is a commandment of Allah.
Ebra, noone, at least, I am not disputing that we have a "democratic" system. What is at issue is whether we are better or worst off because of that "democratic" system. Look at the abject condition of the Gambian people and you will understand clearly. Furthermore, I find it very ironic that it is ok to impose the law of non-muslims on muslims and not the other way around even though muslims have the "democratic" majority in the Gambia.
Baldeh, noone is advocating for a forced ideology. Let us have an open debate and put it to a free and fair referendum. Oh! by the way, the constitution which you seem to have great reverence to, instead of the book of Allah, states that no political party based on religious ideology is to exist. Where is my freedom of religion and freedom of association guaranteed in that?
Kobo, may I remind you that on countless occasions imams stood up to Jammeh. Among them Abdullah Fatty and Baba Leigh. Did you forget the hijab controversy? Did you get a chance to listen to damning Khutbah Imam Fatty fired to Jammeh at statehouse mosque where he more or less compared Jammeh to Firaun (Pharoah)? The imams are doing their part every day and may Allah reward them. We the citizenry are not doing our part. How we can challenge Jammeh? I am surprised democracy has not provided that answer.
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"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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mansasulu
997 Posts |
Posted - 07 May 2007 : 14:53:44
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Brother Salimina, may I remind you that "Sharia is not my notion." Rather it is a commandment of Allah.
Ebra, noone, at least, I am not disputing that we have a "democratic" system. What is at issue is whether we are better or worst off because of that "democratic" system. Look at the abject condition of the Gambian people and you will understand clearly. Furthermore, I find it very ironic that it is ok to impose the law of non-muslims on muslims and not the other way around even though muslims have the "democratic" majority in the Gambia.
Baldeh, noone is advocating for a forced ideology. Let us have an open debate and put it to a free and fair referendum. Oh! by the way, the constitution which you seem to have great reverence to, instead of the book of Allah, states that no political party based on religious ideology is to exist. Where is my freedom of religion and freedom of association guaranteed in that?
Kobo, may I remind you that on countless occasions imams stood up to Jammeh. Among them Abdullah Fatty and Baba Leigh. Did you forget the hijab controversy? Did you get a chance to listen to damning Khutbah Imam Fatty fired to Jammeh at statehouse mosque where he more or less compared Jammeh to Firaun (Pharoah)? The imams are doing their part every day and may Allah reward them. We the citizenry are not doing our part. How we can challenge Jammeh? I am surprised democracy has not provided that answer.
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"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 07 May 2007 : 15:28:20
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Mansasulu,
This is a very sensible conclusion. Your points are clear and sound. |
Karamba |
Edited by - Karamba on 07 May 2007 15:29:09 |
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