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kobo
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 04 May 2007 : 16:18:27
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Mansa we are addressing the PRESENT POLITICAL SITUATION AND DEMOCRATIC STRUCTURES that are in-place, dictates the STEWARDSHIP OF THE STATE, victimisation, survival and livelihood of THE CITIZENS OF THE GAMBIA.
The COUNCIL OF ELDERS & RELIGIOUS HEADS should be given mandate and AUTHORITY in the running of The State, seeking advise on certain moral & welfare issues. They have other roles to play through their PREACHINGS TOWARDS THE PATH OF GOD AND GOOD MORAL VALUES, BUILDING THE COMMUNITY AND MAKING THE SOCIETY PROSPER.
God bless you all! |
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ebou4th
USA
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Posted - 04 May 2007 : 16:19:56
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| Mansasulu, if we adopt islamic principles as the law of the land in Gambia, how will you handle the 10% of Gambians who are non Muslims. What happens to them, remember they are Gambians like you and I but of a different faith. |
“Revolutions are brought about by men, by men who think as men of action and act as men of thought.”
Kwame Nkrumah
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ebou4th
USA
106 Posts |
Posted - 04 May 2007 : 16:19:56
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| Mansasulu, if we adopt islamic principles as the law of the land in Gambia, how will you handle the 10% of Gambians who are non Muslims. What happens to them, remember they are Gambians like you and I but of a different faith. |
“Revolutions are brought about by men, by men who think as men of action and act as men of thought.”
Kwame Nkrumah
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 04 May 2007 : 16:22:52
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Originally posted by ebou4th
Mansasulu, if we adopt islamic principles as the law of the land in Gambia, how will you handle the 10% of Gambians who are non Muslims. What happens to them, remember they are Gambians like you and I but of a different faith.
Thats why we have A CONSITUTION, DEMOCRACY, HUMAN RIGHTS AND EQUITY for a GIVEN SECULAR COMMUNITY.
Mansa is however welcome to tackle your question. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 04 May 2007 : 16:22:52
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Originally posted by ebou4th
Mansasulu, if we adopt islamic principles as the law of the land in Gambia, how will you handle the 10% of Gambians who are non Muslims. What happens to them, remember they are Gambians like you and I but of a different faith.
Thats why we have A CONSITUTION, DEMOCRACY, HUMAN RIGHTS AND EQUITY for a GIVEN SECULAR COMMUNITY.
Mansa is however welcome to tackle your question. |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 04 May 2007 : 17:11:07
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The task I would have preferred for Mansasulu is to start by RECTIFYING the severely DISTORTED and DISORDERLY Islam in Gambia. You will be doing greater work by RESTORING proper Islam in Gambia. Once you complete that task adequately, get back on the drawing board of GOVERNANCE to ascertain if Islam as obtains in Gambia is still what many will prefer to adopt as a political system. There is certainly a difference between a political system and any religious faith. Fidel Castro laid his iron hands on the doors to religion in Cuba for decades. The current president of Gambia adores Castro for Cuba's primary health system and socalled revolution. Majority of Imams in Gambia adore Jammeh as a God sent saviour. There is something to correct in that clumpsy equation. What is your stake in that Mansasulu? Work on correcting the current religious disorder in Gambia before jumping the gun to establish an Islamic Republic of Gambia within the current fabric of things. |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 04 May 2007 : 17:11:07
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The task I would have preferred for Mansasulu is to start by RECTIFYING the severely DISTORTED and DISORDERLY Islam in Gambia. You will be doing greater work by RESTORING proper Islam in Gambia. Once you complete that task adequately, get back on the drawing board of GOVERNANCE to ascertain if Islam as obtains in Gambia is still what many will prefer to adopt as a political system. There is certainly a difference between a political system and any religious faith. Fidel Castro laid his iron hands on the doors to religion in Cuba for decades. The current president of Gambia adores Castro for Cuba's primary health system and socalled revolution. Majority of Imams in Gambia adore Jammeh as a God sent saviour. There is something to correct in that clumpsy equation. What is your stake in that Mansasulu? Work on correcting the current religious disorder in Gambia before jumping the gun to establish an Islamic Republic of Gambia within the current fabric of things. |
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mansasulu
997 Posts |
Posted - 04 May 2007 : 19:20:10
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ebou4th, my brother I understand your concerns. Under islamic law, people of other faiths have their own laws with which they are governed by in certain instances, just like we have the cadi system in Gambia which deals with matters of inheritance, and marriage for muslims etc. My take is that as it is the majority of the population is being short changed, why? becasue there was no open and honest debate as to what set of laws to adopt for the country at independence.
Kobo, I think it is very inaccurate to classify Gambia as a secular society. Be it Muslims or Christians, Gambians are religious people. It is one of the ways the west has succeeded in throwing words at us so much so that we confuse the meaning of secular.
Karamba, rectrifying the distorted and disorderly islam is incumbent upon every muslim as Allah says in the Quran Sura Tauba, Verse 71:
"The Believers, men and women, are protectors one of another: they enjoin what is just, and forbid what is evil: they observe regular prayers, practise regular charity, and obey Allah and His Apostle. On them will Allah pour His mercy: for Allah is Exalted in power, Wise."
This is not my reponsibility alone, rather it is that of every believer. Castro and Jammeh are not the issue here. The issue is we Gambians need to wake up and understand our purpose in this life. I am not in any way advocating for any precipitous change. Change takes time, but until we start some where there will never be change. The fact of the matter is that Gambians have been suffering for so long under the current system. "Caesar had his chance and failed" lets return to the promise of Allah. |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
Edited by - mansasulu on 04 May 2007 19:23:33 |
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mansasulu
997 Posts |
Posted - 04 May 2007 : 19:20:10
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ebou4th, my brother I understand your concerns. Under islamic law, people of other faiths have their own laws with which they are governed by in certain instances, just like we have the cadi system in Gambia which deals with matters of inheritance, and marriage for muslims etc. My take is that as it is the majority of the population is being short changed, why? becasue there was no open and honest debate as to what set of laws to adopt for the country at independence.
Kobo, I think it is very inaccurate to classify Gambia as a secular society. Be it Muslims or Christians, Gambians are religious people. It is one of the ways the west has succeeded in throwing words at us so much so that we confuse the meaning of secular.
Karamba, rectrifying the distorted and disorderly islam is incumbent upon every muslim as Allah says in the Quran Sura Tauba, Verse 71:
"The Believers, men and women, are protectors one of another: they enjoin what is just, and forbid what is evil: they observe regular prayers, practise regular charity, and obey Allah and His Apostle. On them will Allah pour His mercy: for Allah is Exalted in power, Wise."
This is not my reponsibility alone, rather it is that of every believer. Castro and Jammeh are not the issue here. The issue is we Gambians need to wake up and understand our purpose in this life. I am not in any way advocating for any precipitous change. Change takes time, but until we start some where there will never be change. The fact of the matter is that Gambians have been suffering for so long under the current system. "Caesar had his chance and failed" lets return to the promise of Allah. |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
Edited by - mansasulu on 04 May 2007 19:23:33 |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 04 May 2007 : 19:55:59
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Mansasulu,
Your position is clear. One may like to suggest you could develop another topic "Islamic State of Gambia." If I understand the direction Kobo is heading to, we lack true DEMOCRACY in Gambia and he now invites Bantaba compatriots to pool ideas on the way to achieve the goal of sustainable good governance in Gambia. From the views so far expressed, some key issues have emerged. Democracy, dictatorship, economic welfare are prominent. At this stage, what is fair enough will be to exhaust this topic in perspective; pick on the issues arising and scaling from general to specifics. That way we are able to draw sound and logical conclusion. Lot of times topics run out of focus and finally the debate settles on no grounds. People get exhausted and disinterested. For now, we can consolidate the gains of this topic using the issues as idea blocks to serve as input to other thought-generating processes. These may serve as raw material for some others. |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 04 May 2007 : 19:55:59
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Mansasulu,
Your position is clear. One may like to suggest you could develop another topic "Islamic State of Gambia." If I understand the direction Kobo is heading to, we lack true DEMOCRACY in Gambia and he now invites Bantaba compatriots to pool ideas on the way to achieve the goal of sustainable good governance in Gambia. From the views so far expressed, some key issues have emerged. Democracy, dictatorship, economic welfare are prominent. At this stage, what is fair enough will be to exhaust this topic in perspective; pick on the issues arising and scaling from general to specifics. That way we are able to draw sound and logical conclusion. Lot of times topics run out of focus and finally the debate settles on no grounds. People get exhausted and disinterested. For now, we can consolidate the gains of this topic using the issues as idea blocks to serve as input to other thought-generating processes. These may serve as raw material for some others. |
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mansasulu
997 Posts |
Posted - 04 May 2007 : 21:22:54
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quote:
Originally posted by Karamba
Mansasulu,
Your position is clear. One may like to suggest you could develop another topic "Islamic State of Gambia." If I understand the direction Kobo is heading to, we lack true DEMOCRACY in Gambia and he now invites Bantaba compatriots to pool ideas on the way to achieve the goal of sustainable good governance in Gambia. From the views so far expressed, some key issues have emerged. Democracy, dictatorship, economic welfare are prominent. At this stage, what is fair enough will be to exhaust this topic in perspective; pick on the issues arising and scaling from general to specifics. That way we are able to draw sound and logical conclusion. Lot of times topics run out of focus and finally the debate settles on no grounds. People get exhausted and disinterested. For now, we can consolidate the gains of this topic using the issues as idea blocks to serve as input to other thought-generating processes. These may serve as raw material for some others.
Karamba,
I believe that my position is very much relevant to the discussion in achieving "the goal of sustainable good governance in Gambia." I believe I stand on firm ground in holding a position that democracy has not solved the needs of the Gambian people. I don't believe there is anything to any more idea to "pool" on the merits of democracy. Rather, we should look for other avenues in making our country better. 40 years of regressive development is ample enough to show for the failings of democracy in Gambia.
We may agree on disagreeing, but the facts are there for all to see. We may be entitled to our opinions, but noone is entitled to the facts.
Thanks for engaging in such a very worthwhile discourse. |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
Edited by - mansasulu on 04 May 2007 21:25:40 |
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mansasulu
997 Posts |
Posted - 04 May 2007 : 21:22:54
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Karamba,
I believe that my position is very much relevant to the discussion in achieving "the goal of sustainable good governance in Gambia." I believe I stand on firm ground in holding a position that democracy has not solved the needs of the Gambian people. I don't believe there is anything to any more idea to "pool" on the merits of democracy. Rather, we should look for other avenues in making our country better. 40 years of regressive development is ample enough to show for the failings of democracy in Gambia.
We may agree on disagreeing, but the facts are there for all to see. We may be entitled to our opinions, but noone is entitled to the facts.
Thanks for engaging in such a very worthwhile discourse. |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
Edited by - mansasulu on 04 May 2007 21:25:40 |
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salimina
253 Posts |
Posted - 04 May 2007 : 23:19:41
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Mansa,
As you had mentioned in one of your postings that there is no rule to force someone to be a muslim, if we turn gambia into an islamic state and give other believers like christians there way of law i bet half of the population will fake into being a christian or non believer.If such instances arrives what can you do? How would you solve it?
The percentage of muslims in the gambia who will accept sharia is too slim.My believe is, to be able to introduce sharia,the inhabitants of that locality has to be good muslims first.
Bro, i cannot argue further cos you tight my hands at the back by defending your points with quranic verses which i understand is true but the notion of sharia cannot work in the gambia. |
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salimina
253 Posts |
Posted - 04 May 2007 : 23:19:41
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Mansa,
As you had mentioned in one of your postings that there is no rule to force someone to be a muslim, if we turn gambia into an islamic state and give other believers like christians there way of law i bet half of the population will fake into being a christian or non believer.If such instances arrives what can you do? How would you solve it?
The percentage of muslims in the gambia who will accept sharia is too slim.My believe is, to be able to introduce sharia,the inhabitants of that locality has to be good muslims first.
Bro, i cannot argue further cos you tight my hands at the back by defending your points with quranic verses which i understand is true but the notion of sharia cannot work in the gambia. |
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