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LEMON TIME
Afghanistan
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 Posted - 01 Feb 2007 : 00:16:15
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| Touch WHAT private parts. |
There is no god but Allah |
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kiwi
Sweden
662 Posts |
Posted - 01 Feb 2007 : 00:36:49
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YouŽd better keep to your cows and not ask questions... |
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Santanfara
3460 Posts |
Posted - 01 Feb 2007 : 02:30:06
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Originally posted by LEMON TIME
Touch WHAT private parts.
LET US BE POLITE. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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LEMON TIME
Afghanistan
1295 Posts |
Posted - 01 Feb 2007 : 08:51:48
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| What happened to Freedom of speech.when ever private part is mention ah its a big Taboo for Gambians,for gods shake everyone had one.I rest my case now.EE JAMM. |
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jambo
3300 Posts |
Posted - 01 Feb 2007 : 09:41:02
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mbay
Germany
1007 Posts |
Posted - 01 Feb 2007 : 12:27:24
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surely not what your are thinking,so milk up Cows
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Originally posted by LEMON TIME
Touch WHAT private parts.
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mbay
Germany
1007 Posts |
Posted - 01 Feb 2007 : 12:30:35
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Where ever understanding is there is also misunderstanding ,so feel free of my answering .
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Originally posted by briana
Mbay,
I'm very sorry if was offensive. Please forgive me. I have never been to visit The Gambia, so no I have not had bad experiences with village people. I wasn't trying to say they were less wise, not by any means. I was merely trying to convey that the impression I get is that people from "deep in the village", as my husband would say, are more traditional and conservative than those who have grown up or spent a lot of time in the city. I was just trying to give a sense of my husband's background in The Gambia. I thougt it might be helpful for people trying to answer my questions.
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kiwi
Sweden
662 Posts |
Posted - 01 Feb 2007 : 12:56:54
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Santafara,
I am pleased to know that islam recommend that husband and wife show affection before their children. Your answer was very informative. |
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Santanfara
3460 Posts |
Posted - 01 Feb 2007 : 20:26:09
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Originally posted by kiwi01
Santafara,
I am pleased to know that islam recommend that husband and wife show affection before their children. Your answer was very informative.
big up brother kiwi , i like your name . yes you see islam is a way of life or more appropriately a value system if using a business language is ok . we should drive our evidence from that of the noble prophet (pbuh) he was very affectionate and caring and he advice us to be kind to our wifes and children and the same for the women .
the prophet states that being kind and obedient to once mother is one of the greatest vertue a person can do . to be loving and respectful to once wife is also a great reward .the children learn from their mother first before any body else ,so if the mother is not happy how can she be attentive to the children or even care enough for them .there are wisdom in all of our prophets advice .we should do light jokes and playing arroud with our wifes and children .islam is not some rigid system were people are push against the wall .a catholic british woman call cathrine armstrong wrote an authobiography of the prophet muhammad (pbuh) it is a good read and well researched . our wife/husbands should be our best friends . |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
www.suntoumana.blogspot.com |
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anna
Netherlands
730 Posts |
Posted - 01 Feb 2007 : 22:13:45
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I am very sorry to tell you Santanfara, that i am convinced from my hairs to deep in my smallest toes that these things have nothing whatsoever to do with Islam. I learned the same things as a small girl, and i was brought up a Dutch Catholic (who are more liberal than Roman Catholics in general).
I live in a quarter of town where lots of Moroccan and Turkish Muslims live, and i see around me on a daily basis that lots of wives are disrespected and even suppressed. And i am very sure there will be Catholic families around the world, where the women also are not having the same opportunities as men - i have no doubts about that.
But, as a teacher at a business college i can see every day that some of my women students from Islamic background have a hard time finishing their education. Some of their boyfriends even go so far as to burn their books. It seems as if their future husbands (my students are between 19-22) are afraid of educated wives.
The remarks you make about how to treat one's wife and how young children learn from their mother first of all, are applicable in all kinds of situations, disrespective of religion.
I promise you though, that one day i will read Catherine Armstrong's book. |
When an old African dies, it is as if a whole library has burnt down.
Amadou Hampate Ba (Mali) |
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briana
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Posted - 01 Feb 2007 : 23:04:13
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I have read two of Catherine Armstrong's books, one "A History of God" the other "Islam". Both were very good, and I also want to read the one on the prophet. She is very good in that she gives a very objective, historical view of things.
My readings about Islam and my discussions with my husband echo what Santafara has said. It seems to be that in it's purity this is what Isalm teaches. What is sad today is that somehow over all the years and in some parts of the world more than in others some things seem to have become distorted and veered away from the original teachings. |
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Santanfara
3460 Posts |
Posted - 01 Feb 2007 : 23:16:33
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| ANNA , i will just make one thing clair which is what people do and what their religion preach is not one and the same thing . remember the north africans are highly influence by other cultures as well as there own cultures . there culture is different from islam .islam is universal whilst the moroccocan or turkish's culture is not applicable to every society or country. i once suggested to you to read the quran and the hadith which is the sayings and doings of the prophet of islam then you can make a judgement on what is islam and what is a misconcepstion .different european countries have different cultures and attitudes .but what you all have in common is christianity or secularism . but what you do in your every day life may not be what your believe system preach .that is the difference .the burning of books and so on are unislamic .the prophet muhammad advice his followers to search for knowledge where ever they can . i dont want to turn the topic about islam but i will just quickly clarify some of your misconceptions , the early muslims make use of knowledge untill after the conquest of spain by the christians when things start going down hill .read the early muslims and their contribution to civilisation . the arabs or muslims have become lazy and place there reliance on the west to solve there problems for them which has cause our situation to deteoirate to this despecable situation . if you look at what happens in egpyt and morroco ie belly dancing and so is arab culture not islamic .in the gambia the jaliba culture is mandinka culture not islamic etc. both beleivers and unbelievers can be loving and careing but what i was emphasising is the reason for doing such acts is not for a temporary period untill love die down but should be continuous. the actions of muslims today is not pretty but there is improvement . |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
www.suntoumana.blogspot.com |
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Lily
United Kingdom
422 Posts |
Posted - 01 Feb 2007 : 23:18:09
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Let's face it girls - whever we live, whoever we live with - it's still a patriarchal world!
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briana
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Posted - 01 Feb 2007 : 23:33:29
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Lily--So true!!
Right now I'm reading a book on women and Islam. The author brought up a hadith that talks about 'any group one finds lead by a woman will only find itself in trouble.' Apparently this is a hadith commonly used to justify keeping women out of politics, leadership positions, etc.
Santanfara, I'd be interested if you know anything about this particular hadith. From what I understand about the early Muslims, women were definitely involved in business, etc. and not exculded from being involved in community/political affairs.
I'm interested to read on in my book as I know the author will go into her research on whether this hadith seems to be authentic or not. |
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anna
Netherlands
730 Posts |
Posted - 01 Feb 2007 : 23:35:45
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Thank you Santanfara, for wanting to explain. But you know, if we read each other's postings carefully i think we agree mostly. I am afraid there are no misconceptions on my part: what i described is happening around me every day. Please note, that i said that 'some girls of Islamic background..', just like i said that we will undoubtedly find Catholic families 'somewhere..' where women are treated disrespectfully. I wanted to show that what is taught in religion is not always practiced - which is more or less the same as what you said.
Lily: yes, probably. Still, i will always try to live my life the way i see fit - It is MY life! But respecting the other and do my best to understand is part of that, because i was brought up that way (in a convent school a.o.) |
When an old African dies, it is as if a whole library has burnt down.
Amadou Hampate Ba (Mali) |
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