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mbay
Germany
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 Posted - 02 Feb 2007 : 10:24:57
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| The mater of the fact is that the Islamic World are different with other world even if we are living under the same Sun the problem is that today we must leave in both the World which are to totally incomparable . and all this crying are coming from out side Islamic world in unacceptable , so many things are saying / writing about Islam which has nothing to do with its roots and most of them are ERRING , some are LUCRES the others in advantage of DISPUTANTS/OBJECTORS and this is not a new . |
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mbay
Germany
1007 Posts |
Posted - 02 Feb 2007 : 11:07:11
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very familiar to K. Armstrong(The History of God. 4000 yrs Quest J. C.& I )from Ballantine Books?
Very interested book but some letter to me are stagy !
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Originally posted by briana
I have read two of Catherine Armstrong's books, one "A History of God" the other "Islam". Both were very good, and I also want to read the one on the prophet. She is very good in that she gives a very objective, historical view of things.
My readings about Islam and my discussions with my husband echo what Santafara has said. It seems to be that in it's purity this is what Isalm teaches. What is sad today is that somehow over all the years and in some parts of the world more than in others some things seem to have become distorted and veered away from the original teachings.
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jambo
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Posted - 02 Feb 2007 : 12:11:49
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| what has to happen is the separation between cultural values and religious values. i have been to parts of the world where rape is accepted, women cannot be part of the mosque, have no say in the property ownership and cannot leave the house unescorted. this is not a religious thing but a cultural situation. |
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briana
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Posted - 02 Feb 2007 : 17:04:08
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Yes, Mbay, I meant Karen Armstrong's The History of God. My apologies to Ms. Armstrong. ;)
Jamobo- I may be way off base here, but in these cultures that are so misogynistic, don't they very often try to find validation for such practices in Islam? |
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jambo
3300 Posts |
Posted - 02 Feb 2007 : 18:27:12
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probably, when i grew up there were muslims in the city, they had businesses but they had a niceness about them, the children went to school with me, no differences we wore the same uniforms, no talk about head covering. they just were part of the community and respected. they had the same chance of education as me, could buy houses, yes they kept to their own local living areas, but that was the same for all new comers, we had a chinatown, an irish area, a catholic area, a jewish area, but there was respect.
i think some of the values are cultural, for example my arabic muslim friends are totally different to my african muslim friends, but they both believe in the same god and read the same book,
i just think you have to separate cultural values to religius values |
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Santanfara
3460 Posts |
Posted - 03 Feb 2007 : 13:15:23
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quote:
Originally posted by briana
Yes, Mbay, I meant Karen Armstrong's The History of God. My apologies to Ms. Armstrong. ;)
Jamobo- I may be way off base here, but in these cultures that are so misogynistic, don't they very often try to find validation for such practices in Islam?
BRIANA , sorry about the misspelling of karen armstrong's name . women have equal rigths to men in all aspect of islamic social life .men everywere in the world wants to take charge but women are equal in islam .needless to say we have different responsilities which we cannot deny . in many aspect both men and women can perform equally but in some areas women are better than men and vice versa .e.g fighting in war situation . the hadith you are talking about is usually taken out of context . every aspect of the quran and hadith is spoken or referring to a certain situation and context when you take it out of that ,then misquoting comes into play. like my mathematics teacher who is from seirra leon ,he always like mis-quoting the quran ,and i have no choice but to clarify him . a booklet that help me most was a dialog between a christian scholar and a muslim .the book is call muslim christian dialog . if you read karen armstrong's book all that cultural practices will be put to rest . an american scholar by the name DR Hakim Quick did a lecture on the topic women in islam in Australia but you can get the vedio tape in most islamic book shops in u.s . time is limited ,i have to go . |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
www.suntoumana.blogspot.com |
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briana
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Posted - 05 Feb 2007 : 17:31:30
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| Thanks for all the information, Santanfara! |
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Santanfara
3460 Posts |
Posted - 05 Feb 2007 : 20:38:05
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Originally posted by briana
Thanks for all the information, Santanfara!
briana ,live it up . i hope your topic wasn't highjacked by us . but may be you experience some diversity of opinion on the bantaba . the bantaba is a place where all sorts of views and opinion are traded without any sequence. but then there is always an order .i will let kondoron explain the concept of bantaba to you . |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
www.suntoumana.blogspot.com |
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