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Sister Omega

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Posted - 23 Dec 2006 : 19:37:23
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I too call myself African apparently Africa is Greek for the land without cold and horror.
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MADIBA

United Kingdom
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Posted - 23 Dec 2006 : 22:57:18
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quote: Originally posted by Sister Omega
I too call myself African apparently Africa is Greek for the land without cold and horror.
Peace
Sister Omega
Certainly it was the land filled with warmth and free from horrors until it received the uninvited guests who overstayed their welcome. These guests were starving, ungrateful and real vultures as Birago Diop would have put it mildly. |
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njucks
Gambia
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Posted - 28 Dec 2006 : 17:38:15
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quote: Originally posted by MADIBA
[quote]Originally posted by Sister Omega
1. Oranges are from India, Pakistan and South East Asia. 2.Mangoes are from India 3. Cassava from South America 4. Groundnut from India 5. Neem Africa and Asian Origins 6. Beans South America
Madiba/Kons/Sis
the fruits (Mango) are from India. Groundnuts and cassava are from South America and were introduced to West Africa by the Portugese. Cassava in particular was introduced first around what is today Benin. In Gambia particularly, large scale groundnut farming was a british colonial initiative at the beginning of the 19th century. same in Senegal by the French.
Its not always true that when there is a local name for something it is indigenous. For example, both wollof and mandinka have local names for riffles (fei-ttel, kido) but guns are not native to the region. gunpower is kidi munko in mandinka but its from China!
the interesting fact Madiba is that Rice is native independently to Asia and West Africa. In West Africa it the Senegal/Mali region. i dont know exactly where but if i recall properly in Mali they have a local rice call kambia mano. now they have a new variety between the Africa and Asia type i think called NERICA (new rice for africa) |
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kondorong

Gambia
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Posted - 28 Dec 2006 : 19:07:54
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Point of correction. WE had guns in west africa before the portuguese came. My grandfathers type of hunting rifle is called SUKU SUKU PULO.
Its easy for our history to be distorted since we had no written language. Did you know that Sudan ruled Egypt for centuries and subjugated the Egyptian Pharoahs. World history is very harsh to Africans and this is not taught in most schools. The Kingdom of Kush expanded all the way to present day Israel. Infact they provided protection to the Holy Land but were eventually over run by the Assyrians when the Empire became too big to manage.
They are now locally called the Black Pharoahs. Many of their graves are in sudan covered by sand. Egyptian history unfortunately carefully avoids any idea of the Pharoahs being ruled from Sudan. They ruled Egypt for six centuries from around the eight century B.C. from Jabel Barkal with their spiritual capital at Thebes. Tourist who have visisted Egypt are not told that Egypt was ruled for 600 years by the Sudanese and no mention of the " Black Pharoahs" are mentioned. Yet, Egyptian civilisation is incomplete without Sudan. Sudan was colonised by Egypt for 400 years and eventually the tables were turned of them.
Interesttingly, the people who are being massacred in Sudan today are the descendants of these Black Pharoah, the people of Nubia, dark tall warrior like Africans very proud of thier african heritage. Its a clash of history and the desire to relive the past that has made Sudan a quagmire. Could it be that the Nuba people, who are considered "uncivilised" by the light skinned, but who infcat ruled the whole of the horn of africa, are victims of historical circumstances? Why did Egypt take over sudan from the British? As far as i know there was no fighting, the country, the largest in Africa was simply given out to Egypt.
This led to resistance as the Egyptians were foreigners who quickly established their political structures on them with no regard to the people they found there especially the Nuba people. Three african tribes have loved their culture so much that they stand out above the rest of all african people. They are the SONA( south east africa), JOLA (West Africa) and the NUBA( North East Africa). Infact there is the believe that the Jola are from Zimbabwe. I had the opportunity to watch a Zimbabwean dance and it is 90% of Bukarabu(Jola dance).
The Nuba "god", AMUN who was the sun god, was worshippped in Sudan before islam came and Egyptian kings were coronated in Sudan at Jebel Barkal even when Sudan was colonised. AMUN was also worshipped in Egypt and its believed that pharoahs were crowned in Thebes but also in Jebel Barkal in Sudan. Infact the Nuba used the strategic location of the "Sacred Maountain" of AMUN in Sudan to justify why they had right to claim Egypt. Afret all the chief God was in Sudan.
This historical reality led the Egyptians to take over Sudan from the British in compensation for the Suez Canal route access. That take over, and the resultant politics is what is manifesting in the "Arab" (light skinned) and black sudanese in ethnic cleansing. In reality, i see no difference between Arab sudanese and Black sudanese. Its all in the mind. They are both as dark as charcoal.
Its easy for the west to say that everything was brought to Africa. We are the only continenet incapable of defending itself. No wonder AIDS is also from Africa as they say. Nothing good unfortunately is atributed to the continent just like Columbus discovered the Americas when the Indians were there. Infact the Aztecs were technologically far advanced than any human civilisation especially in astrology, maths, constructions when Europe was in the dark ages. Yet it was Columbus who diascovered them.
The Masai cloth is as old as Africa yet the Scots believe its theirs and even had an intellectual property rights to protect it. The masai who never saw scotland, developed their own cloth but they are not recognised for it.
Like in the african proverb:
Until the Lion can speak, the story of the hunt will always glorify the hunter. |
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MADIBA

United Kingdom
1275 Posts |
Posted - 28 Dec 2006 : 19:53:49
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quote: Originally posted by kondorong
Point of correction. WE had guns in west africa before the portuguese came. My grandfathers type of hunting rifle is called SUKU SUKU PULO.
Its easy for our history to be distorted since we had no written language. Did you know that Sudan ruled Egypt for centuries and subjugated the Egyptian Pharoahs. World history is very harsh to Africans and this is not taught in most schools. The Kingdom of Kush expanded all the way to present day Israel. Infact they provided protection to the Holy Land but were eventually over run by the Assyrians when the Empire became too big to manage.
They are now locally called the Black Pharoahs. Many of their graves are in sudan covered by sand. Egyptian history unfortunately carefully avoids any idea of the Pharoahs being ruled from Sudan. They ruled Egypt for six centuries from around the eight century B.C. from Jabel Barkal with their spiritual capital at Thebes. Tourist who have visisted Egypt are not told that Egypt was ruled for 600 years by the Sudanese and no mention of the " Black Pharoahs" are mentioned. Yet, Egyptian civilisation is incomplete without Sudan. Sudan was colonised by Egypt for 400 years and eventually the tables were turned of them.
Interesttingly, the people who are being massacred in Sudan today are the descendants of these Black Pharoah, the people of Nubia, dark tall warrior like Africans very proud of thier african heritage. Its a clash of history and the desire to relive the past that has made Sudan a quagmire. Could it be that the Nuba people, who are considered "uncivilised" by the light skinned, but who infcat ruled the whole of the horn of africa, are victims of historical circumstances? Why did Egypt take over sudan from the British? As far as i know there was no fighting, the country, the largest in Africa was simply given out to Egypt.
This led to resistance as the Egyptians were foreigners who quickly established their political structures on them with no regard to the people they found there especially the Nuba people. Three african tribes have loved their culture so much that they stand out above the rest of all african people. They are the SONA( south east africa), JOLA (West Africa) and the NUBA( North East Africa). Infact there is the believe that the Jola are from Zimbabwe. I had the opportunity to watch a Zimbabwean dance and it is 90% of Bukarabu(Jola dance).
The Nuba "god", AMUN who was the sun god, was worshippped in Sudan before islam came and Egyptian kings were coronated in Sudan at Jebel Barkal even when Sudan was colonised. AMUN was also worshipped in Egypt and its believed that pharoahs were crowned in Thebes but also in Jebel Barkal in Sudan. Infact the Nuba used the strategic location of the "Sacred Maountain" of AMUN in Sudan to justify why they had right to claim Egypt. Afret all the chief God was in Sudan.
This historical reality led the Egyptians to take over Sudan from the British in compensation for the Suez Canal route access. That take over, and the resultant politics is what is manifesting in the "Arab" (light skinned) and black sudanese in ethnic cleansing. In reality, i see no difference between Arab sudanese and Black sudanese. Its all in the mind. They are both as dark as charcoal.
Its easy for the west to say that everything was brought to Africa. We are the only continenet incapable of defending itself. No wonder AIDS is also from Africa as they say. Nothing good unfortunately is atributed to the continent just like Columbus discovered the Americas when the Indians were there. Infact the Aztecs were technologically far advanced than any human civilisation especially in astrology, maths, constructions when Europe was in the dark ages. Yet it was Columbus who diascovered them.
The Masai cloth is as old as Africa yet the Scots believe its theirs and even had an intellectual property rights to protect it. The masai who never saw scotland, developed their own cloth but they are not recognised for it.
Like in the african proverb:
Until the Lion can speak, the story of the hunt will always glorify the hunter.
Welcome back everyone. I hope you all had a merry x-mas? I wish all a Happy Tobaski and a Prosperous New Year in advance.
Njucks/Konds your recent interventions are great. I think i can safely now say that Groundnuts, Oranges, Mangoes,Cassava are all imported. Njucks, its re-assuring to know that Rice has been here ever since.
Konds, your history knowledge is amazing. Your revelation sent shivers down my spine. I have some sudanese friends both ligth skin and others dark skinned. Here in the UK they seem to have no hard feelings for each other. I wonder how much of our history is distorted to make us feel as insignificant and no good. I was once told that MOrocco, Algeria were Berber lands before the Arabs crossed in from the Arabian penninsula. Some years ago the Berbers in Algeria were advocating for more rights such as the recognition of the Berrber language as one of the official languages. The Berbers are purportedly the closest the ancestors of the Toukulor(Fulas) found in Senegal, Mauritania and some in Gambia.
The African is one of the most wronged people in the world. God help! |
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kondorong

Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 28 Dec 2006 : 20:02:12
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Many prohets ran to Africa when they were being persecuted in the Holy land. Africa has not been teated fairly by historians.
Timbuctu had over 10,000 students learning mathematics, science, Astrology and religion at a time when Europe was sleeping. Its the first university in the world. Infcat at the time, Europe had no University at all. It is believe western Universities are modelled on the Timbuctu experiment. These texts are decaying in Mali. Tons of teaching material need restoration. Thanks to Thabo Mbeki, south Africa has undertaken to provide restorative work through NEPAD.
The Hydara family used to be the Vice Chancellors in Timbuctu. |
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Santanfara

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Posted - 28 Dec 2006 : 22:21:55
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kondo. good piece but the urgency is of now for africa. i did history and am quite interested in our past ,i have a very well reserch book by the late thomas arnold on africa and middle east. the whole naration you have made are in the book. sudan was a glorious empire. but for us africans we need to rewrite our history and put more effort on now. for us to attain any iota of respect in lense of the world we need to take care of certain vital things ,that we wouldn't need any body to donate to us. the hand that gives is the better hand. we should take care of our urgent needs. if america gives it take thriple back ,so we go back to square zero.
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Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22 "And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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kiwi
Sweden
662 Posts |
Posted - 28 Dec 2006 : 22:56:41
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Surely there must be plants of African origin (if not Gambian). Acacia is from Africa. The origin of Baobab is Africa, but does it bear fruits?
Yam(s) is said to be of African origin. The word yam comes from Portuguese inhame or Spanish ñame, derived from the Wolof word nyam meaning taste.
I have just started reading a book my friend from Gambia brought me (I of Ebony),it mentions fruiting trees of neew, kurjenjen, neto and kaaba ndumboo. Do you know the English names of these? Also duuto is mentioned which obviously is mango tree. Is it a mandinka word as mango in wolof is mangoro?
My friend told me that the wolof name of mangrove is maangi. Of course, I don´t need to tell you…
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kondorong

Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 28 Dec 2006 : 23:53:36
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Kurjenjen tastes like cherries. I liked it a lot. NETO is also very useful and the seeds are used for MMAHAL. KAABA NDUMBO is also very nice when ripe. A lot in Georgetown. Its a twine and very dense growth and snakes like to disguise in the twined branches.
santa I agree that the urgency is now. I hate handouts and until we stop being receivers we will never make any difference in life. |
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MADIBA

United Kingdom
1275 Posts |
Posted - 29 Dec 2006 : 00:41:44
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quote: Originally posted by kiwi01
Surely there must be plants of African origin (if not Gambian). Acacia is from Africa. The origin of Baobab is Africa, but does it bear fruits?
Yam(s) is said to be of African origin. The word yam comes from Portuguese inhame or Spanish ñame, derived from the Wolof word nyam meaning taste.
I have just started reading a book my friend from Gambia brought me (I of Ebony),it mentions fruiting trees of neew, kurjenjen, neto and kaaba ndumboo. Do you know the English names of these? Also duuto is mentioned which obviously is mango tree. Is it a mandinka word as mango in wolof is mangoro?
My friend told me that the wolof name of mangrove is maangi. Of course, I don´t need to tell you…
Please find more fruits, grains and vegetable with thier equivalent wolof names in the following link http://www.hotkey.net.au/~mjackson/Language/Vocab/Vegetable.htm
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njucks
Gambia
1131 Posts |
Posted - 29 Dec 2006 : 10:26:30
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Kondonrong, i'm sure you know your history and i think Egypt is such a hot cookie , everyone wants it. Europeans claim it, Africans claim it, Arabs claim it. Thats fine with me.
my contribution was to in response to the list of food posted by Madiba. some food came to Africa and some left. palm oil is native to West Africa but taken to South America perhaps by the portugese as well! thats was my argument some foods came and others left.
The thing is, its a FACT that Gunpowder was invented in China, and found its way to the rest of the world. To Europe, Africa the Americas etc. It would have came before the portugese through Arabs as well. Mathematics was also greatly spread by Arabs in Muslim Spain, Timbucktou etc. my point was not who ruled who or who invented what. rather it was that Africa was an integral part of the global civilisation then and both absorbed and contributed.this is not the case today.
i was not there but i have read that your grandfathers blew up themselves and all the gunpowder at Kansala when the fulas attacked? is it true  |
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Sister Omega

United Kingdom
2085 Posts |
Posted - 29 Dec 2006 : 11:44:11
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Santafara history is important to know because it provides an important reference to the past, For example when you walk down the streets of London you are walking through the present past and looking into the future all of which are written in the built environment. That's what makes cities like London what they are the past legacies are just as important as the present and their hopes for the future. You can pass a 15th Century building and next to is a 18th Century followed by 2006 building. Each building represents a marker in time which reflects Britain's heritage power and Prestige in the world which is expressed through culture i.e, period drama threatres, films, pomp and ceremonies.
Njucks the Eurocentric records of trade would led you logically into thinking that Europeans must of introduced Gunpowder into Africa but Africans were trading with the Chinese before they started to trading with Europeans. History is just full of surprises. Especially when it has been left to opressors to write it 
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Edited by - Sister Omega on 29 Dec 2006 11:59:44 |
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njucks
Gambia
1131 Posts |
Posted - 29 Dec 2006 : 16:17:13
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| you may be right, there is evidence that chinese traders were trading on the east african coast centuries back. |
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Sister Omega

United Kingdom
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kondorong

Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 29 Dec 2006 : 18:38:58
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Yes. Chineese had the largest fleet of ship than the whole of Europe combined years back. China had 300 ships, each three decks high when europe then had just 100. China was on the east coast of africa and Arabia well before Europe ever thought of going out. Well before Dagama sailed out under the auspices of Prince Henry.
Its recorded that when a new chinese emperor took over, he burnt all the 300 ships china had and to this day, no one knows why. It marked the beginning of China's policy of internal confinement. China ruled the waves before anyone ever did.
Njuks
Ngaling Sonko, commonly called BARRLA BANG NA who was a general, emptied the whole gun powder of Kaabu and torched it in flames. BARRLA BANG NA means the one who empties a barrel of gun powder during eaxch war he led.
The Nyanchos dont run and they dont cut corners. The Fula, with this act were scarred for life and left the empire in fear of the people of Kaabu. To this day, the Fulani never managed to call a place their own. Atleast Kaabu is still habited by the same people before the war.   |
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