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MADIBA
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 21 Dec 2006 : 17:20:23
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Folks i have been wondering for a long time the veracity of the following and would like to know the truth from anyone who has them online. They are mainly foodstuffs so my Jola, Serrer, Kabunka and serahule cousins be on the alert
The following fruits, grains and plants are reportedly not originally Gambian. I would like to know Where are they from and when were they introduced to the Gambia?
1. Oranges
2. Mangoes
3. Rice
4. Cassava
5. Groundnut
6. Neemtree
7. Potatoes
8. Beans
Thanks for your time.
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 21 Dec 2006 : 20:26:12
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Originally posted by MADIBA
Folks i have been wondering for a long time the veracity of the following and would like to know the truth from anyone who has them online. They are mainly foodstuffs so my Jola, Serrer, Kabunka and serahule cousins be on the alert
The following fruits, grains and plants are reportedly not originally Gambian. I would like to know Where are they from and when were they introduced to the Gambia?
1. Oranges
2. Mangoes
3. Rice
4. Cassava
5. Groundnut
6. Neemtree
7. Potatoes
8. Beans
Thanks for your time.
Well, as a Sarahule man, i will tell you the same thing that Saikou Toure told Jawara on one of his visits to Gambia and took part in the national tree planting programme at Pakalinding. Saikou did not want to plant a neem tree instead he favoured a tree that provides edible fruits. He preferred a mango or banana or the like.
I am not sure if his tree is still standing in Pakalinding.
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
1275 Posts |
Posted - 21 Dec 2006 : 20:32:47
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Originally posted by kondorong
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Originally posted by MADIBA
Folks i have been wondering for a long time the veracity of the following and would like to know the truth from anyone who has them online. They are mainly foodstuffs so my Jola, Serrer, Kabunka and serahule cousins be on the alert
The following fruits, grains and plants are reportedly not originally Gambian. I would like to know Where are they from and when were they introduced to the Gambia?
1. Oranges
2. Mangoes
3. Rice
4. Cassava
5. Groundnut
6. Neemtree
7. Potatoes
8. Beans
Thanks for your time.
Well, as a Sarahule man, i will tell you the same thing that Saikou Toure told Jawara on one of his visits to Gambia and took part in the national tree planting programme at Pakalinding. Saikou did not want to plant a neem tree instead he favoured a tree that provides edible fruits. He preferred a mango or banana or the like.
I am not sure if his tree is still standing in Pakalinding.
Am not surprised your favoured fula dictum NJOLEN NYAKI says it all. Anyway Sekou as his ilk were greatly mis-understood.Now tell me if all this important foods were not originally Gambian, what were are forefathers living on? Don't tell me KABBA NUMBOO, OR MBAGANASOO OR FINDOO |
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kondorong
Gambia
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Posted - 21 Dec 2006 : 21:04:49
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Well stories have it that Peanuts, cassava and the likes were intoduced by the portuguese including corn.
My guess is that only oranges, potatoes, bananas were actually introduced. You see the mandinkas are very interesdting people. If they dont have a historical attachment to things, its names become descriptive like Tubabu Nyo( corn) menaing whiteman's grain. Patato( potato. There seems to be non descriptive names for the other plants.
Its like the story of the Scottish Quilt. Whilst the world believe that the Scots invented it, the Masai in Kenya, howver have the same patterns having had to contact with the Scots. That story is like the egg and the chicken problem. I believe the Masai invented the Quilt patterns.
One of the largest concentrations of the neem tree is maccarthy island. Could it hav been introduced there by travellers. However when we study basic agriculture, we realise that seed dispersal takes place in diffrent forms, wind, birds, animals, flood etc.
My believe is that oranges, potatoes, rice were introduced. As for peanuts, i think they are as aold as west africa. The famous Durang or domoda is an integral part of the Mandingo diet all the way to timbuktu and also most tribes of Senegambia. I may be wrong.
Sometimes, human development is spontaneous and its difficult for one group to claim originality. |
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
1275 Posts |
Posted - 21 Dec 2006 : 21:15:56
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Originally posted by kondorong
Well stories have it that Peanuts, cassava and the likes were intoduced by the portuguese including corn.
My guess is that only oranges, potatoes, bananas were actually introduced. You see the mandinkas are very interesdting people. If they dont have a historical attachment to things, its names become descriptive like Tubabu Nyo( corn) menaing whiteman's grain. Patato( potato. There seems to be non descriptive names for the other plants.
Its like the story of the Scottish Quilt. Whilst the world believe that the Scots invented it, the Masai in Kenya, howver have the same patterns having had to contact with the Scots. That story is like the egg and the chicken problem. I believe the Masai invented the Quilt patterns.
One of the largest concentrations of the neem tree is maccarthy island. Could it hav been introduced there by travellers. However when we study basic agriculture, we realise that seed dispersal takes place in diffrent forms, wind, birds, animals, flood etc.
My believe is that oranges, potatoes, rice were introduced. As for peanuts, i think they are as aold as west africa. The famous Durang or domoda is an integral part of the Mandingo diet all the way to timbuktu and also most tribes of Senegambia. I may be wrong.
Sometimes, human development is spontaneous and its difficult for one group to claim originality.
A NYA NGA MOO. Thanks for the insights. You are a special serahule |
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kondorong
Gambia
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Posted - 21 Dec 2006 : 21:27:56
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| Its like Columbus discovering the Americas. How could he have discouvered a land that was habited by the Indians. It was no discovery unless we mean to say the Indians were less human. |
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
1275 Posts |
Posted - 21 Dec 2006 : 21:41:54
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Originally posted by kondorong
Its like Columbus discovering the Americas. How could he have discouvered a land that was habited by the Indians. It was no discovery unless we mean to say the Indians were less human.
Thats wat was puzzling me. I think we need to re-write our history there are too many flaws. Th Masai cloth is quite similar to the Scots cloth. Who robbed who? I would have loved to ask Ngugi Wa Thiogo that question. With the rice i often hear MANDINKA MAANO or BAARA MAANO. The cassava, how old is the Sierra Leonean Plasas or the Ghanaian Garri? We need to re-discover ourselves. |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 21 Dec 2006 : 23:28:29
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Originally posted by MADIBA
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Originally posted by kondorong
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Am not surprised your favoured fula dictum NATEN NYAKI says it all. Anyway Sekou as his ilk were greatly mis-understood.Now tell me if all this important foods were not originally Gambian, what were are forefathers living on? Don't tell me KABBA NUMBOO, OR MBAGANASOO OR FINDOO
In a Fula Village when its time for lunch and they dont want to invite you, they will say NJOLEN NYAKI. Meaning lets go like bees entering a hive. One by one they will go and eat and come back. I have lived with them for long to know their tricks. |
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
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Posted - 22 Dec 2006 : 01:44:14
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1. Oranges are from India, Pakistan and South East Asia.
2.Mangoes are from India
3. Cassava from South America
4. Groundnut from India
5. Neem Africa and Asian Origins
6. Beans South America
Kon's it seems on the surface as one possible answer that as these commomdities could of been introduced by the Europeans as part of the Transatlanic Slave Trade. The Europeans first went to India before circumnaviagating the African Continential coastline.
2. Alternatively as Asia, Africa and South America have always existed the seeds could of been carried by Africa Explorers such as the Olmecs who were part of the Mende Empire at an earlier period who travelled to South America, India, China before the Europeans found out where Africa was.
Peace
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yarimaayo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 22 Dec 2006 : 02:02:18
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Must of these stuffs are African anyway,if not how comes all languages ia AFRICA have names for them not borrowed names except for the Neem Tree which was introduced by the British.
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
1275 Posts |
Posted - 22 Dec 2006 : 05:22:18
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Originally posted by Sister Omega
1. Oranges are from India, Pakistan and South East Asia.
2.Mangoes are from India
3. Cassava from South America
4. Groundnut from India
5. Neem Africa and Asian Origins
6. Beans South America
Kon's it seems on the surface as one possible answer that as these commomdities could of been introduced by the Europeans as part of the Transatlanic Slave Trade. The Europeans first went to India before circumnaviagating the African Continential coastline.
2. Alternatively as Asia, Africa and South America have always existed the seeds could of been carried by Africa Explorers such as the Olmecs who were part of the Mende Empire at an earlier period who travelled to South America, India, China before the Europeans found out where Africa was.
Peace
Sister Omega
Sis thanks for the intervention. Would you know approx what time were these introduced in Africa specifically The Gambia? |
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yarimaayo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 22 Dec 2006 : 11:58:29
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
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Posted - 22 Dec 2006 : 12:05:34
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Madiba I am not really sure about what specfic date theses crops were brought into Gambia specifically.
However there is evidence which it could be from 1200BC to 14th Century. However pre Columbus Exploration to the Americas is evident and so I believe that these crops were more likely of been introduced by African Traders trading with America. Because Africa civilisation was more advanced. African weren't restricted by box thinking so didn't fear sailing over the horizon because they knew the world was round, and not square as Europeans believed before Columbus. I would imagine oranges and mangoes didn't take long to be cultivated after discovery.
"In 1324 Mansa Kankan Musa stopped in Cairo and reported that his predecessor, Prince Abubakari II, launched two expeditions to explore the limits of the Atlantic Ocean. The first expedition he sent out 200 ships of men, and 200 ships of trade material, food, water. One ship returned and told of the current that seemed like a river in the middle of the ocean. The captain watched the ships get sucked away, and then returned with the news. Prince Abubakari II, after listening to the captain, decided he would lead the next voyage himself. He took 1,000 ships of men and 1,000 ships loaded with supplies."http://members.aol.com/carltred/AfricanPresence.htm
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
1275 Posts |
Posted - 22 Dec 2006 : 15:01:55
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Originally posted by Sister Omega
Madiba I am not really sure about what specfic date theses crops were brought into Gambia specifically.
However there is evidence which it could be from 1200BC to 14th Century. However pre Columbus Exploration to the Americas is evident and so I believe that these crops were more likely of been introduced by African Traders trading with America. Because Africa civilisation was more advanced. African weren't restricted by box thinking so didn't fear sailing over the horizon because they knew the world was round, and not square as Europeans believed before Columbus. I would imagine oranges and mangoes didn't take long to be cultivated after discovery.
"In 1324 Mansa Kankan Musa stopped in Cairo and reported that his predecessor, Prince Abubakari II, launched two expeditions to explore the limits of the Atlantic Ocean. The first expedition he sent out 200 ships of men, and 200 ships of trade material, food, water. One ship returned and told of the current that seemed like a river in the middle of the ocean. The captain watched the ships get sucked away, and then returned with the news. Prince Abubakari II, after listening to the captain, decided he would lead the next voyage himself. He took 1,000 ships of men and 1,000 ships loaded with supplies."http://members.aol.com/carltred/AfricanPresence.htm
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Sister Omega
Sis once again thanx for the info and the link. However, what can you say about the 'sprinkling' of Africans outside the continent, to the Americas, Carribean, Pacific, Asia(india) etc etc? was it as a result of slavery alone? or expeditions such as that of Mansa Musa and his predecessors? |
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
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Posted - 23 Dec 2006 : 16:30:14
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No the migrations of Africans to the Americas etc was pre Columbus-before slavery even preceeding Mansa Musa.
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
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Posted - 23 Dec 2006 : 17:15:11
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Originally posted by Sister Omega
No the migrations of Africans to the Americas etc was pre Columbus-before slavery even preceeding Mansa Musa.
Peace
Sister Omega
Yeah that could be it. cos watching some documentaries i could see 'black' people in places like Vanuatu. Sis honestly i find your interventions invaluable especially in this area. Please bear with me, is there any better word to call us instead of Black. I personally find this term derogatory. I Call my self African. I don't know how the term came about. Maybe someone out there is privy to the knowledge . Please lets us know. Thanks all. |
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