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kobo
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 20 Jul 2011 : 22:28:52
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REFER TO THESE EXTRACTS quoted FROM THE GAMBIA CONSTITUTION ON "SELF-PERPETUATION RULE" 
"Our hopes and aspirations as a people were reflected in the enthusiasm and zeal with which we embarked on the task of nation building on the attainment of independence. The self-perpetuating rule of the recent past, however, soon gave rise to the abuse of office and related vices which negated the total welfare of the Gambian people. The sovereign people of The Gambia therefore endorsed the change of government on 22nd July 1994 to rectify such evils" |
Edited by - kobo on 20 Jul 2011 22:30:29 |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
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Posted - 20 Jul 2011 : 22:42:43
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Kobo, upon reading this, I felt sick. The whole thing is liken to a situation of someone licking his own vomit. Does Jammeh think this scheme of deception could go on for good? Where is truth? What a big false claim to sincerity. How comes Jammeh is ready to use guns and thugs to suppress people. Gambia is in serious trouble.
If Gambian endorsed the coup as transition to good governance, then Jammeh's self perpetuastion negates the whole purpose. Jammeh has to give Gambians a break. |
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Janko
Gambia
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Posted - 21 Jul 2011 : 23:20:40
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Catching-up with Whom/What
If colonialism was purely an economic relationship (direct rule), the Cold War was an ideological relationship designed for neo-colonialism (indirect rule).
African presidents at the dawn of independence felt left behind and had big plans to catch-up. The mindset of catching up blinded politicians to the everyday political reality and the importance of an inward focused development. Henceforth the mindset resulted in the building of Petty Paris, Petty London and pointless monumentalizations.
The colonized and the colonizer cannot swap positions.
The notion of catching-up in itself strengthens elitism resulting in an unintended continuity of (neo) colonialism. In so doing all efforts towards catching-up proved worthless for the simple reason that, it is impossible to catch up with someone you are not running the same race with.
In my opinion, it is prejudicial, unrealistic and even naïve to insinuate Africa’s catching-up with the West when her everyday reality, needs and historic is different and in-transposable.
Interestingly, the new senses of freedom, free association rights in the best interest of the new nation states were shattered by the outbreak of the COLD WAR, in the early 60s. Forcing the colonies to break from their new found allies. So, in less than a decade after independence, the dream, and the new found self-assurance and self-pride were lost. (A vacuum from then on)
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 21 Jul 2011 : 23:40:24
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| Can someone translate what Janko wrote? |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Moe
USA
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Posted - 22 Jul 2011 : 00:03:50
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Originally posted by Santanfara
Karamba, aka Moe's Koukoi, you haven't distance yourself from Moe moe's accusations. Are you indeed Koukoi? Why did Moe think you are Koukoi? If you happen to be Koukoi, Isafu
Anyhow, coming to Jammeh, he is a contradiction in everything. He has made more promises than any head of state I have ever heard of. Yet he is reppeating the same false promises over and over. First, the biline of rampant corruption is all mute. The question of overstaying in power is forgotten.
remember the man was more poor than a Church Mouse. How do you expect him to give up after amassing ill-gotten wealth. Yahya knows, his Moroccan wife will be the first to bid him good bye should he lose power today. I am thinking, the good sister Omela will assist him on the love triangle front.
Even transperancy international were forced out of the Gambian when Jammeh set his filthy eyes on corrpution, personalising state funds.
Today, the poor soldier who was stranded half his life is a mafia tycoon.
Santa Of course Karamba is ISAFU, Karamba is not UDP , Karamba is not PDOIS shiit karamba is not even NRP and as much hatred as Karamba has for Jammeh, Karamaba is KUKOI...
When ya'll question why and How a Church mouse made money consider the Pastors and the rich men coming to Church and what they were willing to do for the Church Mouse. Blame the Gambian Constitution and advocate ofr changing it and restricting donors and aid for any sitting President , then and then only can you make up a sad story like this and get an audience for now I ain't listening Santa, This is why I don't like for you to get your "Satala Whiskey" Back. I know you have a few but "Muslimo buka dollor Ming"................................Peace |
I am Jebel Musa better yet rock of Gibraltar,either or,still a stronghold and a Pillar commanding direction
The GPU wants Me Hunted Down for what I don't know ..... |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 22 Jul 2011 : 00:12:01
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NO need turk, if a simple soul like me can understand the brilliant words that are written by Janko,then there is no doubt whatever you can understand them too,but you will not respond because you are fully aware that Janko can eat your limited discussion capacity for breakfast.
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Originally posted by turk
Can someone translate what Janko wrote?
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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turk
USA
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Posted - 22 Jul 2011 : 01:13:04
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Touby
No I don't get it. Can you translate his brilliant words. Help me. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 22 Jul 2011 : 10:53:20
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turk,read the words,formulate YOUR OWN opinion of their meaning,every ones perceptions are maybe different  If you want a translation,the obvious person to ask is the author not the reader. |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Karamba
United Kingdom
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Posted - 22 Jul 2011 : 21:01:11
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Originally posted by kobo
REFER TO THESE EXTRACTS quoted FROM THE GAMBIA CONSTITUTION ON "SELF-PERPETUATION RULE"
"Our hopes and aspirations as a people were reflected in the enthusiasm and zeal with which we embarked on the task of nation building on the attainment of independence. The self-perpetuating rule of the recent past, however, soon gave rise to the abuse of office and related vices which negated the total welfare of the Gambian people. The sovereign people of The Gambia therefore endorsed the change of government on 22nd July 1994 to rectify such evils"
By the look of things Kobo, Gambia has not seen the desired change July 22 was meant to deliver. I am looking at demolition of the self perpetuation pledge. From what we can see, Jammeh is one self perpetuating person who no longer believes in Gambia. He wants to stay til death. |
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Janko
Gambia
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Posted - 23 Jul 2011 : 02:51:02
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Toubab, do not mind my friend, turk, he would not understand hence
"Janko some reason reminds (him of) autism. The rain man. Dustin Hoffman."
Hopefully he remembers /understand his chalenge to Karamba, when he said;
"...This is the reality.Prove me I am wrong. Prove me, give example,
how Gambia will catch the developed nations in a short time.
...all my opinion have valid bases...."
Does that ring a bell, or... |
Clean your house before pointing a finger ... Never be moved by delirious Well-wishers in their ecstasy |
Edited by - Janko on 23 Jul 2011 02:54:45 |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 23 Jul 2011 : 02:58:30
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| I think that the "bases" are ever so slightly cracked |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Edited by - toubab1020 on 23 Jul 2011 02:59:07 |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jul 2011 : 03:01:27
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I stand with my words. Clarify for Janko.
1. The autistic man, Dustin Hoffman was smart man in the movie. However, he had issue with communicating. I feel like not many understand your message and engage discussion. I feel like you are too intellectual but ordinary people like me having difficulty to understand. That is the reason I post about 'rainman'. I am not saying you are autistic. What I am saying is that your higher level intellectualism does not relate ordinary. I can't understand you. Neither points, nor analogies, or innuendo you are making.
p.s. Touby reply anything, whether he understand or not, whether he knows about the issue or not, whether he has anything to say about or not.
For the second part of the quotation. Well, I still do not understand the point you are trying to make. And if anyone understand, please help me.
And if first quotation and the second have any relationship, I have no idea what it is. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
Edited by - turk on 23 Jul 2011 04:03:08 |
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Moe
USA
2326 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jul 2011 : 20:05:32
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| Karamba and this is just my observation for the past 17 years Jammeh was never allowed to preside over the state of affairs of the Nation of course he is the President but realistically Gambians never really endorsed his presidency in other words, he was not given the legitimacy of the Presidency instead he was being chasticized throughout. Throughout his tenure he has been on the defence, allegations and counter allegations half of which are all Bogus or politically motivated, these are things never heard of in our society and unacceptable for it leads to chaos. Jammeh did not only have an opposition but he had to go against the grain and transform a way of thinking and the attitude of a people. I truely think that he should be allowed to rule Gambia in a genuine way with a genuine opposition after 2011 for it is a foregone conclusion already and then he can be judged. When you put a Man on the defence he will defend himself and such is the case with Jammeh and thats what leads to a lot of his irresponsible statements he is being judged by today..........................Peace |
I am Jebel Musa better yet rock of Gibraltar,either or,still a stronghold and a Pillar commanding direction
The GPU wants Me Hunted Down for what I don't know ..... |
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Janko
Gambia
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Posted - 23 Jul 2011 : 20:45:48
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turk, turk, turk, let toubab talk for himself.
"...Gambia will catch the developed nations in a short time", said turk
"Catching-up with Whom/What", said Janko.
turk, am sure your know, catching- up has been a popular slogan used by many political leaders just before and after independence, and most of them led their countries to independence and became presidents. Nearly all of them failed. This is the historical background of the phrase or slogan in the African political experience.
The idea of catching up implies been left behind.
For an example, Janko can only claim to be left behind in a race that he is competing. Janko cannot claim to be left behind and trying to catch up in a 100m sprinter contest when he competes in 440.
So, Africa’s aim of a long term development cannot and should not be based on the idea of catching-up with the West. Why, because the West and Africa have different history.(to cut a long story short)
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toubab1020
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Posted - 23 Jul 2011 : 21:08:45
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Again, Janko,brilliant  |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Edited by - toubab1020 on 23 Jul 2011 21:09:14 |
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