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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
 Posted - 25 Apr 2011 : 17:15:16
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Janko
In my opinion, it will not work. That is my opinion and prediction. I say unity can't be accomplished under today's circumstances. Even it is accomplished, the coalition will not do any better than the current regime. That is my argument. There is nothing stopping those who think they can accomplish the unity of opposition, further they bring down the current regime. It may turns out to be I am wrong. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
1382 Posts |
Posted - 25 Apr 2011 : 18:04:14
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Thanks Karamba for your sober comment.
I don’t know who told this silly nonentity that the type of government adopted in a given country somehow determines the type of electoral system in that country. Electoral systems are determined by the electoral laws of a given country and this is irrespective of whether it is parliamentary or presidential system of government. For example, the UK is a parliamentary system of government and it has a first past the poll electoral system. On the other hand, Australia too is based on a parliamentary system of government but it has an Alternative Voting system [AV]. Germany too is a parliamentary system but its electoral system is based on Proportional Representation [PR].
In Africa, Zimbabwe has a second round ballot system and yet its government is based on a parliamentary system of government. Kenya too is a parliamentary government but it has a second round electoral system.
I think some people need to go back to school and learn a bit so that they can fit in here. I don’t need lectures in government. I mastered that since High School. I am only posting to compliment sober people here; those who worth their salt.
Thanks
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I do not oppose unity but I oppose dumb union. |
Edited by - Nyarikangbanna on 25 Apr 2011 19:14:25 |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
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Posted - 25 Apr 2011 : 20:35:01
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When you look at what this Turk fellow rolls around Nyarikangbanna, it becomes clear that your position to set him aside is right. He has nothing but hate and and contempt for Gambia and Gambians. All we see from him his deceit, biased opinion, in ways that even big fools have nothing to take. He portrays a Gambia of very low standards as conceived in that retarded mind of his. You don't have to take him serious. Where is the standard in this world for anyone to break a finger for? The world is simply evolving and Gambia is just part of that larger movement. It is up to people of Turk's breed to take what they want. That should not matter to people of better understanding. Let him keep dancing on hot sand. |
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Janko
Gambia
1267 Posts |
Posted - 25 Apr 2011 : 23:39:23
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Nyari,
turk is not to be taken seriously, specifically when he claims to know what is best for Gambia.
Karamba
turks absolute facts and truths are so fantastic that one has to put in a dose of anti-virus before he believes them himself, which he does not in the onset. He is just experimenting.
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Clean your house before pointing a finger ... Never be moved by delirious Well-wishers in their ecstasy |
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dbaldeh
USA
934 Posts |
Posted - 26 Apr 2011 : 01:30:04
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quote:
Originally posted by Janko
Nyari,
turk is not to be taken seriously, specifically when he claims to know what is best for Gambia.
Karamba
turks absolute facts and truths are so fantastic that one has to put in a dose of anti-virus before he believes them himself, which he does not in the onset. He is just experimenting.
Uncle Janko, thanks for finally putting a lid on Turk. I had taken him seriously but I guess I was wasting my time too.... It is clearly evidence that he is bend on highlighting problems with no desire to educate bantaba folks on the way forward.
He reminds me of Bill O'Reilly who keep mentioning the problem of African Americans having 70% out of wedlock children but he never have the guts to mention one thing what is the cause of those problems.
These are kind of people who rejoice on the demise of a nation, a people or even a continent. We refused to be label as "Cannot be an industrilized country" and when confronted he change it to "not in the near future"
Am sorry but honestly, I too don't have time for people who have plenty of time in their hands and doing nothing with it but laughing at peoples' pains. I wish they can feel the pain of others before claiming to relate to their pains....
How about we hear all the problems in Europe and then come back and tell me they too can't do it..
Am out!!!!
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Baldeh,
"Be the change you want to see in the world" Ghandi
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 26 Apr 2011 : 02:53:37
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I provide my opinion regardless of what others think. This is not a popularity contest. I post my opinion and will continue to do so. Those who do not like it, can ignore my posts and not engage with me. It is simple. Let me share the opinion of another Gambian who share the similar perspective on capability of Gambians at present in terms of political process.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
Edited by - turk on 26 Apr 2011 03:08:46 |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 26 Apr 2011 : 03:56:00
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quote:
Originally posted by Nyarikangbanna
Thanks Karamba for your sober comment.
I don’t know who told this silly nonentity that the type of government adopted in a given country somehow determines the type of electoral system in that country. Electoral systems are determined by the electoral laws of a given country and this is irrespective of whether it is parliamentary or presidential system of government. For example, the UK is a parliamentary system of government and it has a first past the poll electoral system. On the other hand, Australia too is based on a parliamentary system of government but it has an Alternative Voting system [AV]. Germany too is a parliamentary system but its electoral system is based on Proportional Representation [PR].
In Africa, Zimbabwe has a second round ballot system and yet its government is based on a parliamentary system of government. Kenya too is a parliamentary government but it has a second round electoral system.
I think some people need to go back to school and learn a bit so that they can fit in here. I don’t need lectures in government. I mastered that since High School. I am only posting to compliment sober people here; those who worth their salt.
Thanks
Type of government! Election system! Type of government of parliamentary and presidential system has nothing to do with election system! Type of government adopted and electoral system! What! Don’t know what this imbecile is talking about. Sorry.
Let me repeat. Point was that Gambia has presidential system where it was difficult to have opposition unity due to following reasons.
1. No second round.
2. Presidential System where post coalition is not possible. President executive power is NOT DIVISIBLE. Parliamentarian system, power is divisible and due to parties can negotiate coalition after the election, unity of opposition is possible. In Gambian context, unity could only be negotiated before election while it is still difficult because of not having two round system.
UK, there is a coalition that was built post-election. The political parties’ unity can happen either before or after election. That is not possible in Gambian presidential system.
Australia is parliamentarian system. Both pre-post unities are possible. Voting system has nothing to do with what I am talking.
Germany too is parliamentary system. Proportional representation system has nothing to do with my point. I don’t know where these rubbish coming from.
You gave example of South Africa, India, Brazil which can only be given by an imbecile or who have no clue about the politics. Oh, yeah, maybe someone whose political knowledge is based on limited political education.
None of UK, Australia, South Africa, India, Brazil, Germany can be comparable to Gambia, but only imbeciles could provide such comparisons as example.
I have no clue what you are trying to explain with the type of government and electoral system. I have no clue. You do need to learn a lot about politics.
Looks like UDP are bunch of cowards, leader has no honor escaping from his nation to the enemy's consulate. It is no coincidence so-called Gambians are hiding in UK cowardly barking like a dog as opposition. And these people have no honor to beg their former colonial master for help. If that is not a treason, what is it? Looking at the imbeciles like you and any thing coming out of UDP, other than PDOIS, there is no opposition political party which has skills, knowledge of politics and understanding of Gambian realities.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
Edited by - turk on 26 Apr 2011 13:54:21 |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 26 Apr 2011 : 11:38:59
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WELL DONE TURK! |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 26 Apr 2011 : 12:16:07
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quote:
Originally posted by turk
Janko
In my opinion, it will not work. That is my opinion and prediction. I say unity can't be accomplished under today's circumstances. Even it is accomplished, the coalition will not do any better than the current regime. That is my argument. There is nothing stopping those who think they can accomplish the unity of opposition, further they bring down the current regime. It may turns out to be I am wrong.
CLEAR THOUGHTS, REASONABLE OPINIONS AND THE CHALLENGE FOR GAMBIA OPPOSITION AGAINST CURRENT REGIME?
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Janko
Gambia
1267 Posts |
Posted - 26 Apr 2011 : 16:23:01
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Originally posted by kobo
CLEAR THOUGHTS, REASONABLE OPINIONS AND THE CHALLENGE FOR GAMBI...?
Yes, many can speak but a few understand the spoken word |
Clean your house before pointing a finger ... Never be moved by delirious Well-wishers in their ecstasy |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 26 Apr 2011 : 16:34:18
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THERE YOU ARE! SO FAR I DON'T SEE ANY CREDIBLE ARGUMENTS THAT CAN SILENCE TURK, AS HE HAS SOUND POINTS AND VALID ARGUMENTS; ESPECIALLY ON COALITION IN MY OPINION  
WELL DONE TURK! CARRY ON WITH BUSINESS AS USUAL
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Edited by - kobo on 26 Apr 2011 16:43:26 |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 26 Apr 2011 : 17:04:42
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Kobo
Thanks for your support.
Janko
You sound like you have some points about 'turk' having 'hidden agenda', or 'prejudiced view'. Why not try to focus on my thought rather than me. Why not provide the counter-argument about my thoughts and tell me why I have hidden agenda, why my thoughts are wrong, or why i have prejudiced view about Africans. But usually you failed to bring sound, clear and logical argument about your conspiracy theories. Seem like you don't have any logical argument other than innuendos or analogies.
So far, to be honest, you did not present any counter argument. I mean you ridicule my argument, but what are you objecting. Not clear. I am very clear and honest about my opinion that 'Gambian with present social, economic and cultural realities, they can't accomplished the functioning state. You seem you are against this idea, but you did not present anything. You don't tell me why I am wrong. You did not provide me any 'factual evidence', 'statistics', 'historical examples' and you did not provide any argument at all. You did not present me any 'historical example'. You just do not agree with me, but you fail to present any argument. In summary, you don't make much sense to me.
I mean, so far in Gambia, there was no example of having 'coalition discussion', 'coalition' there was no normal process of 'power change'. Two major regime change were under extra-ordinary circumstances i.e. coup. So, my point is clear. Gambia does not have political maturity and experience in terms of 'negotiation' and 'coalition'. So I am saying in additional to the difficulties system creates, I am pointing that lack of political experience also obstacle. But you did not bring any counter argument. Do you have any argument against that?
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
Edited by - turk on 26 Apr 2011 17:06:19 |
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Janko
Gambia
1267 Posts |
Posted - 26 Apr 2011 : 22:03:12
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turk, sorry that you feel that way . I feel that you are not pushing the discussions forward. Why, because most of your arguments have been dealt with here on Bantaba with your participation. It feels like you are going round and round the same things on and on and on.
To give you an example I will use Kobos method here, to copy and paste; but don´t worry I will not write in capitals or red. The link below has dealt with some of the question, or as you may call them arguments.
Why Can't UDP Mobilize Other Opposition Parties!!!
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Clean your house before pointing a finger ... Never be moved by delirious Well-wishers in their ecstasy |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 26 Apr 2011 : 23:40:07
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Janko
If you already know the past postings, that is fine, but those who are less knowledgeable/experienced members like nyari, who does not get the point and bring out the same issue by giving the example of coalition in germany, australia, india, south africa, Uk which have nothing to do with Gambia, I have to repeat.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 27 Apr 2011 : 11:46:14
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quote:
Originally posted by turk
Janko
If you already know the past postings, that is fine, but those who are less knowledgeable/experienced members like nyari, who does not get the point and bring out the same issue by giving the example of coalition in germany, australia, india, south africa, Uk which have nothing to do with Gambia, I have to repeat.
EXCELLENT AS UK IS A CLASSIC CASE AND FACTS; WHERE COALITION WAS NOT EVEN CONSIDERED AS A STRATEGY, TACTIC, AGENDA OR ADVOCATED BY ANY OPPOSITION BEFORE GOING TO THE POLLS AGAINST FORMER PRIME MINISTER GORDON BROWN & LABOUR GOVERNMENT
HOWEVER POST ELECTION A COALITION GOVERNMENT WAS "DELIVERED" THROUGH THE POLLS RESULTING IN SOME FORM OF POLITICAL CRISES, WITH A "HUNG PARLIAMENT" AND THE CONSTITUTION OPEN THE AVENUES FOR PARTIES TO NEGOTIATE AND AGREE TO FORM A GOVERNMENT. THEN WE WITNESSED THIRD PARTY IN LEADING COMMAND POSITION (I.E LIBERAL DEMOCRATS) ENGAGED BOTH TORY AND LABOUR; BEFORE FINALLY DECIDING TO FORM A COALITION WITH TORY ON VERY STRONG TERMS
THEREFORE PLEASE NOTE THAT LIBERAL DEMOCRATS (IN THIRD PLACE) WERE THE KEY PLAYERS FOR ANY THRUST OR SUCCESS TO ESTABLISH THE GOVERNMENT OF THE DAY THEY COULD HAVE DECIDED TO GO WITH LABOUR RATHER THAN TORY AT THAT CRUCIAL TIME; FOR A LABOUR/LIBERAL DEMOCRAT COALITION SO WHERE IS THE PRIVILEGE, LOGIC OR CREDIBILITY OF ARGUING FOR "PETTY-LED COALITION" 
UNDER THE GAMBIA CONSTITUTION ANY POLITICAL PARTY CAN EITHER OPERATE ON ITS OWN OR "MERGER OF POLITICAL PARTIES"
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Edited by - kobo on 27 Apr 2011 12:31:03 |
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