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dbaldeh
USA
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 Posted - 21 Apr 2011 : 21:14:47
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Originally posted by kobo
"FOR ALL INTENT AND PURPOSES" ACCORDING TO FOROYAA REPORT;
" The information received by this reporter that the opposition in Wuli East irrespective of party affiliation refused to accept any party putting up any candidate other than Suwaibou Touray is now proven to be correct. A people´s Alliance has therefore emerged in Wuli East on the side of the opposition.
For all intent and purposes this by election is a contest to be closely monitored. "
Brother Kobo,
This is indeed an election to be observed closely... I think it is a defining moment for both NADD/PDOIS and the opposition in general. Some questions and implications that needs consideration even before the elections are held.
1. If NADD loses the elections would this be the defining moment when they need to realize that it is time to join the UDP because they cannot win in their own strong hold of WULI!!!
2. If their candidate wins, would they in fact come out and claim that agenda 2011 has played a key role in supporting the notion "A people´s Alliance has therefore emerged in Wuli East on the side of the opposition" as advocated by agenda 2011.
3. If the NADD candidate wins, would it not be proven that only through oppposition alliance that the opposition would have a chance against the APRC? And therefore, should PDOIS now put their principles aside and form a tactical alliance with UDP even at the Presidential candidate level.
4. Would this election in fact bring out the claws of the individual party supporters in the opposition and go after each other with the same old blame game?
Whatever the outcome is, the best way forward should be clear to all that regardless of what party platform they rally around, NADD or UDP it is the only viable option that everyone NOT in denial can see...
Let's see what the outcome would be but I sense giving the history of the oppositions' distrust against each other, I can see the blame game coming up each claiming victory!!!
I hope sanity prevails in both camps where they will all realize that someone needs to give in to give the Gambian people a decent chance for change.... |
Baldeh,
"Be the change you want to see in the world" Ghandi
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Janyanfara
Tanzania
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Posted - 23 Apr 2011 : 23:37:44
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Bro Dbaldeh,
I hpe general kobo would come up with an answer to your very important questions.He is PDOIS/NADD spokesman on Bantaba and I belief he has an answer for you.I also do hope it would not o be links links links always but concrete facts! |
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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
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Posted - 23 Apr 2011 : 23:48:44
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Saturday, 23 April 2011
UDP Youth Wing Tours Wuli East
The Youth Wing of the United Democratic Party (UDP), led by the national Organizing Secretary, Mr. Momodou Lamin Nyassi, embarked on a tour of Wuli East, which wrapped up at Bajakunda, as part of their nationwide consultation tour in preparation for the upcoming 2011 Presidential Election.
Most speakers complained about UDP’s failure to put up a candidate in Wuli East in the past elections and demanded that this issue be addressed. The APRC won the seat but it would have been different had the UDP contested, the villagers posited.
The villagers also stated that many voted NADD in the last parliamentary election because they wanted to avoid a win for the APRC; whilst others chose not to vote, which worked in favour of the APRC. With a credible candidate, the UDP could win in Wuli East, the villagers added.
In reply, the National Organising Secretary, Mr. Shyngle Nyassi, informed the villagers that the UDP is in favour of one opposition candidate in the upcoming bye-election slated for the 28th April 2011, and that all UDP supporters should vote for that candidate whoever he/she is and whichever party he/she belongs to. He added that he will report the villagers’ concern to the party’s secretariat in Banjul and that all efforts will be made to address the issue of filling a candidate in Wuli east 'but that will be for future elections', Mr. Nyassi emphasized
The tour continues in Tumana and Kantora districts.
(Reporting by Lamin Darboe, Editing by Femi Peters Jnr.)
Publisher; United Democratic Party
www.udpgambia.com
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turk
USA
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Posted - 24 Apr 2011 : 02:09:20
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Ha....most speakers complained about UDP's failure to put up a candidate!!!!!!! Demanded that this issue to be addressed!!!!!!!
Wow. Does that mean, UDP supporters think there is a strong support, but UDP executive does not know about it!!!!! Is that what it means? Or, they just want to give an impression that UDP has strong presence there, so if NADD wins, they will claim, NADD won because of UDP!
We have more..... They claim APRC would not have won if UDP contested!!!!!! If NADD loses, they will say 'as you can see NADD can't do it, they should join UDP'. We could have won the election. Further.... UDP supporters 'obliged to vote NADD' or did not vote at all!!!!!
Whenever UDP people open their mouth, I am more convinced how incapable they are and how dishonest politicians they are. UDP is the obstacle for change in Gambia. Because they failed to present viable alternative.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Janyanfara
Tanzania
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Posted - 24 Apr 2011 : 12:58:44
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Originally posted by turk
Ha....most speakers complained about UDP's failure to put up a candidate!!!!!!! Demanded that this issue to be addressed!!!!!!!
Wow. Does that mean, UDP supporters think there is a strong support, but UDP executive does not know about it!!!!! Is that what it means? Or, they just want to give an impression that UDP has strong presence there, so if NADD wins, they will claim, NADD won because of UDP!
We have more..... They claim APRC would not have won if UDP contested!!!!!! If NADD loses, they will say 'as you can see NADD can't do it, they should join UDP'. We could have won the election. Further.... UDP supporters 'obliged to vote NADD' or did not vote at all!!!!!
Whenever UDP people open their mouth, I am more convinced how incapable they are and how dishonest politicians they are. UDP is the obstacle for change in Gambia. Because they failed to present viable alternative.
Turks,
You are entitled to what ever hated opinin you may have against UDP but one thing is certain some of your comments I find hypocretical.
Why have you not asked why other oppositions did not put up candidate in Wuli East like NRP for instance?Oh theirs is enuine but ours is not? Well UDP haters MUST KNOW! The UDP IS IN THE GAMBIA TO STAY and those who hate UDP, their great grand children will see UDP in the Gambia. So it is time some of them adapt to the realities.
For UDP to give chance to another opposition candidate some of us knew people would try create an issue out of it and collaborators of Yaya Tyrant Jammeh would try convince peple that UDP had no good intentions there because they are scared Gambians now a days have seen their tactics. We also knew they would do or say the same if we had put up a candidate.UDP did discuss that issue and we felt we need to do what is best for Gambians regardless of evil mongerers and collaborators.So let me tell them we did knew real APRC hiding as NADD/PDOIS symphatisers who want to see from their hearts of hearts, oppositions fighting amongst themselves so that Jammeh can continue his killings stealings? we have seen that so they have failed.
You above statement is inline with those ind of mongerings and show your inability to be forsight.I want to belief you are not a NADD/PDOIS supporters but hidden Jammehrites who hide behind the disunity of the opposition to create more farction within us for the benefit of your kanilai Tyrant. Come 2011 december that would be history by God's permission.
But I tell you something no matter how you think of it.All oppositions have got supporters in Wuli East even if it is only one supporter. You and I know this is a fact! Why would the largest opposition Party be any different I ask you?
We are more in contact with our supporters accross the country than any political party in the Gambia presently so it total baseless that UDP would have supporters who want a UDP candidate and the secretariant not knowing about it.
We did discussed with our partychairmen/women and came up with the idea that we need to give Swaibou a chance.If you must know one of our most respected supporters is an Uncle to Swaibou and UDP respects it grass rooot supporters.Therefore our decision stands that we did not put up a candidate and urged our surpporters to vote for any opposition candidate put up by any political opposition party.Why have people like you not say that about KMC PARTY of Mr. Fatty? NRP of Amat Bah ect? They too are political parties contesting next presidential election so why didn't they put up candidates for parliamentary by election in Wuli East?
UDP's Decision not to put up a candidate with other opposition parties and more on it asking their supporters to vote opposition,is that not campaigning for an opposition Turks.
Hypocretes and UDP haters are the real obstacles to change because THEY want the status core. Which is for the Kanilai Tyrant/Butcher to remain killing our people.Thereby they would come online blaming it all on the UDP because UDP failed to Join NADD..The reason is Turks if you must know APRC is scare of the party closest to defeating it.Yaya Jammeh knew what happened in 2001 despite his socalled supporters taking millions of dalasis up country and the real results.Ask anyone!
Now on the issue of NADD!You and every Gambia knew UDP is bigger than NADD and if you guys are a real democrat and genuinely want united opposition in the Gambia, why not ask for change by NADD joining the UDP instead? This message I have never heard such from any of you never and if cercrifices are to be made why should it be always UDP and no other way round? Hypocretes who hate the Gambia should know that Gambians would redeem the country from the tyrant butcher .United or not , ALL OPPOSITION HAVE ONE AGENDA ie JAMMEH MUST GO so if we need to unite, all stocks needs to be on the table. Karamba Touray a UDP supporter said it to both his party and other oppositions to put away all differences and come together for the sake of the Gambia. None of you so called supporter of NADD/PDOIS are even willing to go that far but just continue to blame UDP and UDP only.What you guys also for the sake of the Gambia asking PDOIS/NADD to join UDP? Or atleast asking your party to put all aside what ever agenda they have or proposal and come together for the sake o the Gambia? But you are not even NADD/PDOIS your guys are Jammehrites and your now have ben exposed!
Come december, even if we fail may God forbid, you guys will put the blame squirely at UDP'S door why because like in the first republic ruling parties are known for such hide as opposition symphatisers to create more confusion amonst oppositions Not this time.
If you are genuine NADD/PDOIS or what ever, why not see the Gambia first and ask you party or alliance like karamba had done and ask your party to put all away for the sake of the Gambia? But we and NADD/PDOIS both haveseen your move.No chance! |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 24 Apr 2011 : 14:39:57
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Janyanfara
I agree with you about the reality that UDP will be around. Will be around as an underachiever. The party does not have any ideology. It looks more of an tribal club, with a management style of a football club. It has a team below even least acceptable standards in terms of political skills, knowledge. Its leader is soon-to-retire after losing so many elections without any significant success. This is not the first time UDP did not compete for the by-election. UDP leader already made major political mistakes showing signs of fear: Boycotting an election and later he admitted he made a mistake. Seeking asylum in Senegalese embassy (A nightmare UDP has and trying hard to forget), failing to stand for Femi Peter case. Three coward acts. One would expect leader to be fearless.
UDP did not compete for this by election not because of its good intention. The reason is that UDP does not have support for this by election. But the main reason is that, they do not want to expose their lack of support just before the November 2011. Ordinary people do not vote for losers. It is a psychology of human being. One wants to win and supports the winner. UDP did not participate in this by election because of its November 2011 election strategy.
First of all, I stated that before. PDOIS is the only party in Gambia I take serious for its ideology, programs, policies and leader. However, they are not going to be successful in short term because: quote:
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programs and practices.
Let me correct you: It is not hidden, I openly want the current regime APRC to win, because, simply there is no alternative. I would rather have 'status quo' rather than the risk, instability UDP brings. Simply the devil you know is better. I also do not believe in coalition, patched political power, with so called unity. I would support the 'harmony' 'homogenous' and 'stable' political power rather than 'patched' 'disharmonious' coalition with different ideologies, programs and team without any chemistry. I believe in politics single '3' is greater/better than total of '1+1+1+1'. I am also against the idea of PDOIS to collaborate with UDP in the name of short term objective. It is a big mistake for PDOIS even considering any alliance with UDP. UDP is ill and its disease is contagious. PDOIS should stay away from it and have a long term vision.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Janko
Gambia
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Posted - 25 Apr 2011 : 00:13:31
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Originally posted by turk
... I would support the 'harmony' 'homogenous' and 'stable' political power rather than 'patched' 'disharmonious' coalition with different ideologies, programs and team without any chemistry. ...
The above is what constitutes a coalition; hence politics is mostly, negotiation, negotiation and negotiation. The latest in line of such a “disharmonious coalition with different ideologies, programs and team without any chemistry” took place in England after the last elections.
Do you know that in Jawara’s time (Gambia’s first president) the notion of there not being an alternative to him has been sold to Gambians.
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turk
USA
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Posted - 25 Apr 2011 : 00:32:20
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Janko
Gambia is not UK. UK has parliamentary system where post-coalition, unlike the presidential system in Gambia, is easier/possible. Also, Gambia does not have political maturity and historical experience for a coalition. Did Gambia have 'any' coalition? Did they so far, have any power share via 'negotiation'? You have unrealistic expectations. You are talking about negotiation, they will negotiate the power sharing power. Right? In parliamentarian system sharing power is easier. Power is divisible via sharing ministries. In presidential system, power 'presidential office' is not divisible.
Even established western democracies, coalitions are not desirable as decision making process very difficult. For Gambia, it would have been nightmare.
In Canada, there have been three consecutive minority government or coalition governments for last 8 years. Government has not been prompt for issues, legislation do not work, execution is slow. Everyone wants one party majority, really tired of minority and coalition.
Also, conservative and liberal parties in UK are not that different when it comes to ideologies like left and right. Both conservatives and liberals are fiscal conservative.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Janko
Gambia
1267 Posts |
Posted - 25 Apr 2011 : 01:10:00
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turk,
Coalition is never desirable but forced by conditions, whatever they may be.
Your statement was a general one that made no reference to what sort of system of governance. My reaction is to the generalising nature of your statement; that does not mean I am for or against coalition in Gambia.
Don’t you think you are being unfair and unrealistic by saying that Gambia has to have an historical experience of coalition to form one here and now if the circumstance is asking for it.
(Remember the topic, here on Bantaba, about Manchester and Presidential system of governance, please do not repeat that…… )
Thanks, for the information that UK is not Gambia, I did not know that, I thought Gambia is the capital of UK, or how was it again.
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turk
USA
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Posted - 25 Apr 2011 : 01:48:54
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I understand. Your general vs my specific. Thanks for clarification.
For unfairness, no, I don't think I am being unfair. Not only lack historical experience about coalition particularly, lack of historical experience about the western democratic regime in general. So far Gambia had been ruled by only a few parties and did not experience any 'normal political power' transfer. It is critical/important to have an experience of political process, political maturity, 'lessons learnt'. That is why I said UK is not Gambia. No offense to your intellectuality but trying to point that UK had hundreds years of democratic process experiences, but Gambia not having anything close. Gambia got the independence only a few decades ago. For that reason, i think it is fair saying that, it is even more difficult to make that negotiation in Gambia.
There are a lots of obstacles for Gambia to have a stable regime. It is very difficult for Gambia due to unfortunate realities.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
Edited by - turk on 25 Apr 2011 01:54:08 |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
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Posted - 25 Apr 2011 : 03:38:39
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Originally posted by Janko
turk,
Coalition is never desirable but forced by conditions, whatever they may be.
Your statement was a general one that made no reference to what sort of system of governance. My reaction is to the generalising nature of your statement; that does not mean I am for or against coalition in Gambia.
Don’t you think you are being unfair and unrealistic by saying that Gambia has to have an historical experience of coalition to form one here and now if the circumstance is asking for it.
(Remember the topic, here on Bantaba, about Manchester and Presidential system of governance, please do not repeat that…… )
Thanks, for the information that UK is not Gambia, I did not know that, I thought Gambia is the capital of UK, or how was it again.
Politics is never perfect anywhere in this world. It is one bundle of combined deceit and contempt to suggest Gambia lacks what it takes to make political sense of misrule. Righly put Janko, coalitions are never first choice to start with. In the longer run, the contradictions are bound to manifest. Get some updates about the coalition government of UK.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-02-18/cameron-clegg-clash-on-change-to-voting-system-that-splits-u-k-coalition.html |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 25 Apr 2011 : 04:03:19
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Gambia lacks the experience, maturity, system (Presidential system) for her to accomplish a successful coalition. That is a fact. Has there any successful coalition government in the history of Gambia? Please enlighten me. I know it is difficult to digest and accept the truth, but that is the difficulty nation face. I would rather be realistic than living in dream for something which will unlikely to happen in short term.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Janko
Gambia
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Posted - 25 Apr 2011 : 11:51:09
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turk,
yes, it will not be easy, no dance on roses, but not to try would be a crime against the very condition that calls for it.
(mark you, am not for or against a coalition)
16 years after his sortie, I wonder what are those who said, there is no alternative to Jawara saying today . |
Clean your house before pointing a finger ... Never be moved by delirious Well-wishers in their ecstasy |
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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
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Posted - 25 Apr 2011 : 12:51:17
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I am still flagbergasted that intelligent people like JANKO would deem it fit to engage this retarded nonentity on this forum. Come on guys be serious and talk to the sober.
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Edited by - Nyarikangbanna on 25 Apr 2011 12:53:41 |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 25 Apr 2011 : 17:00:57
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Hey Nyari
I know you don't talk to retarded, but I must be doing very good job my stand against UDP. You had to ask others to protest me, like you are not engaging with me.
p.s. By the way, you still did not come up with your response you promised about india, brazil and south africa comparison to Gambia in terms of political unity. After I destroyed your argument and embarrass you. I noticed it took two weeks to come out to public. Waaa gwaan? |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
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