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turk
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 Posted - 10 Oct 2010 : 15:37:24
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1. Formation of a coalition government lasting five years
2. Electoral and constitutional reform during the coalition governments' term
3. Parties to the alliance maintain their identity and freedom to organize during the term of the coalition
4. Members of the coalition government will not contest subsequent presidential elections
5. Coalition government members can endorse candidates for subsequent presidential elections (free speech and association).
6. Mobilize mass public campaigns to educate the population in their rights and duties as citizens (parties can do this as well).
Healthy coalition is not possible under current system in Gambia. UDP does not want to lose the power as they believe they are the biggest party. Smaller parties want some guarantees for power when they are elected. The most important condition for 'establishing' coalition is 'power sharing' mechanism. This mechanism does not exist in Gambian Constitution. Any coalition can't be translated to reality with some kind of power sharing government. Presidency is one unit that can't be divided. The coalition could happen in national assembly, but in Gambian system, parliament does not hold much power. Why rush? Whether there is coalition or not Jammeh will win. This is obvious. Why not let the natural course determine who is the better alternative for Jammeh. The flaws of the coaltion will be exposed by Jammeh during election campaign about the UDP with the patches. And the age of the UDP leader will be exposed. To be honest, if I was a party strategist for PDOIS, I would stay away from UDP. Why not PDOIS to have a strategy for long term rather than risky short term? In politics 1 + 1 could be 1. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 10 Oct 2010 : 16:33:58
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Originally posted by terangba
Shaka;
As the major opposition party why will UDP agree to join a coalition that will be led by an independent person? If Senegal and Gambia decide to become one country; who do you think will be the head of that state? It should be clear to all that UDP will not relinquish the leadership position to a minor party or an independent person and I will not fault the party for its stands on this issue.I think UDP should come out and advocate a party led coalition agenda, work to gain the trust and respect of other parties.
ON YOUR THOUGHTS IN RED ABOVE! TO SET RECORDS STRAIGHT; UDP NEVER ADVOCATE OR DECLARE A PARTY LED COALITION AS THEY COMMAND MAJORITY THESE IDEAS ONLY CAME FROM PARTY MILITANTS ENGAGED IN CYBERWAR, MIS-LEADING & PAMPERING UDP LEADERSHIP SINCE 2006! HIS EXCELLENCY DARBOE & UDP/NRP SQUANDERED THE BRIGHTEST OPPORTUNITY IN TOPPLING JAMMEH/APRC DURING 2006.
WHY IS IT NEVER DECLARED IN PUBLIC DORMAIN BY UDP SECRETARIAT
ALL INITIATIVES ON COALITION, TACTICAL & STRATEGIC PLANS TO TOPPLE JAMMEH/APRC STARTED THROUGH STGDP; IN MARSHALLING ALL OPPOSITION PARTIES UNDER ONE UMBRELLA; "NATIONAL ALLIANCE" FOR A NATIONAL CAUSE BUT NOT FOR A PARTISAN CAUSE
THEY (SO-CALLED TWO MAJOR OPPOSITION PARTIES) BETRAYED THE NATIONAL CAUSE AND THOUGHT THAT THEIR STRATEGY WOULD WORK IN 2006!
THIS IS ABOUT A MASS REVOLUTION & ESTABLISH A UNITED NATIONAL FRONT; A NATIONAL ALLIANCE UNDER ONE UMBRELLA FOR A NATIONAL CAUSE AS CATERED FOR UNDER "MERGER" IN THE GAMBIA CONSTITUTION & NOT ABOUT DISSOLUTION AND JOIN UDP BAND WAGON! AGENDA 2011 IS A STRATEGIC PLAN TO MOBILISE THE MASS AGAINST JAMMEH/APRC & NOT ELECTING DARBOE AS PRESIDENT ALBEIT THAT HE IS RIGHTFULLY ELIGIBLE TO GET IT! IF ALL OPPOSITION PARTIES (INCLUDING ALL OPPONENTS AGAINST JAMMEH/APRC) GRANT HIM THE MANDATE TO CHALLENGE & WIN 2011. THEREFORE DARBOE'S PRESIDENCY OR "FIVE YEAR TRANSITION COULD BE LEGENDARY" HE GOT THAT CHANCE BEFORE NADD DIS-INTEGRATE IN 2006 AS NO ONE EVER SAID THAT HE SHOULD NOT LEAD UNTIL LEADERSHIP FINALISED UNDER NADD MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING!
Related Bantaba Gambian politics topic Voice Newspaper interview with NADD Chairman under http://www.gambia.dk/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=9843 |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 11 Oct 2010 : 11:47:00
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Thanks Turk & Toubab 1020 for your active neutral/independent participation in Gambian politics. But Turk I believe a "healthy coalition" is feasible and ALL OPPOSITION HAS ANOTHER CONSTITUTIONAL AVENUE TO MARSHALL A UNITED FRONT AND MOBILISE THE OPPRESSED MASS OR OPPONENTS AGAINST JAMMEH/APRC!
1. Refresh yourselves again from related Bantaba topic A CASE FOR COALITION under http://www.gambia.dk/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=8256
2. Refresh yourselves from previous interviews covered under related Bantaba Gambian politics topic; especially Lawyer Darboe's Interview under http://www.gambia.dk/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=8673
"I believe that there is a high probability of opposition parties uniting against the APRC," he said. ‘‘All opposition parties in the Gambia believed and have hope and faith in a united front,” he noted." Lawyer Darboe
"After all everyone must join a united front against that is oppressing the masses" Toubab 1020
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 11 Oct 2010 : 12:44:13
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Kobo
Not under current constitution. Can't you see it, the problem is power sharing. There is no platform and mechanism for power sharing agreement for pre or post election coalition. Presidential System is obstacle for the political parties to have coalition while they exist as a political party with different ideology, program and entity.
In Westminster system, smaller parties could have impact on 'executive branch' by supporting/not supporting majority government in the parliament. They have a tool 'vote of confidence' to do that. In presidential system, if someone is elected, the president has no responsibility to anyone, including his or her own party (Correct me on this). Imagine a president is elected, then resign from his or her party. (Is that possible?) So, there is no guarantee for smaller party's to have any power in post-election time. Only they can be a power in national assembly but Gambia executive branch is too strong and can't be brought down by the national assembly.
Why do you think, parliamentary systems there are more than three or four political parties. Because they can be a power even they get 10 percent vote as they can be part of a coalition government. The presidential system i.e. USA, there are two main political party, republicans and democrats and their vote goes between 40 to 60 percent.
The quote below is worthless. What he is saying: 'I believe there is united front, forget about your ideology, differences, come join me to unite the opposition, I believe unity in quantitative terms not qualitative terms'.
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I believe that there is a high probability of opposition parties uniting against the APRC," he said. ‘‘All opposition parties in the Gambia believed and have hope and faith in a united front,” he noted.
If there is a united front, I tell you, Jammeh will eat the united opposition alive. It is much easier to expose the united opposition's flaws when they come together while they have different ideologies and programs. And there is only less than a year to election, do you think political parties have time to establish unity, then create a united election programs and prepare for a campaign. It is already too late. Whether unity or not, Jammeh will be victorious and that is so obvious. Just talk to Gambians in Gambia, bantaba is not the reality reflecting people in Gambia. The majority of people in Bantaba is educated, living in west with different priorities. That is totally different when one talks to Gambians in Gambia.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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terangba
Egypt
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Posted - 11 Oct 2010 : 14:13:39
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Kobo;
I came to that conclusion because nothing official came from UDP as far as I know. Judging from the online chatter I do not think UDP will agree to any form of coalition short of a party led.
After all the injustice by APRC if Gambians cannot agree to form a coalition and defeat APRC we deserve ten more witch hunting sags, might be we deserve our fathers, brother and sisters thrown in jail without due process. We deserve our fellow countrymen/women lambasting in jail without out trail. We deserve a President that controls all branches of Government and uses our constitution as toilet paper.
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God gave men dominion over the beasts and not over his fellow men unless they submit of their own free will. - Napoleon |
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Janko
Gambia
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Posted - 11 Oct 2010 : 14:37:59
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neutral? maybe toubab is,
but turk is not only the most opinionated individual in Bantaba, he does not add any value to any discussion, he says the same thing in each an every post. Most of the things he is saying here have been discussed and done with, nothing new and he will keep on repeating them forever.
My advice, don’t eat all the fish he serves at night.
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 11 Oct 2010 : 16:38:07
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Janko - I am not in popularity contest. I am not here to please your expectations. I am not natural. My advice to you to ignore my posts when you see my avatar. There is a fundamental flaw with political approach and there will be no progress. There are a few exceptions i.e. Shaka and a few. I will remind you that I was right after 2011 election. Because, my prediction is that, the political situation 2011 will not be any different from today.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 11 Oct 2010 : 22:24:32
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Originally posted by terangba
Kobo;
I came to that conclusion because nothing official came from UDP as far as I know. Judging from the online chatter I do not think UDP will agree to any form of coalition short of a party led.
After all the injustice by APRC if Gambians cannot agree to form a coalition and defeat APRC we deserve ten more witch hunting sags, might be we deserve our fathers, brother and sisters thrown in jail without due process. We deserve our fellow countrymen/women lambasting in jail without out trail. We deserve a President that controls all branches of Government and uses our constitution as toilet paper.
WRONG JUDGEMENT & MIS-INFORMATION ON WHAT YOU THINK UDP WILL AGREE! THE PARTY LEADER HAS CLEARLY STATED SEVERAL TIMES ON THE NEED FOR A UNITED FRONT & THE UDP SECRETARIAT HAS NEVER ADVOCATED OR DECLARED A PARTY LED COALITION; YET STILL YOU WANT TO BE CARRIED OVER WITH SENTIMENTS OF ULTRA' NATIONALISM OF UDP IDEOLOGY & LEADERSHIP AT ALL COSTS PEDDLED IN CYBERSPACE
IF GAMBIANS ARE FULLY PREPARED THEY CAN MOBILISE OPPOSITION PARTIES TO FORM A UNITED NATIONAL FRONT & ALL OPPONENTS RALLY FOR A MASS REVOLUTION AGAINST JAMMEH/APRC
THE TRUE GAMBIAN PATRIOTS WILL DO THE JOB TO LIBERATE THE NATION! THIS IS A NATIONAL CAUSE & NOT A UDP, NRP, PDOIS, NADD AGENDA!
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Janko
Gambia
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Posted - 11 Oct 2010 : 22:26:05
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“I will remind you that I was right after 2011 election.”
You are making it seem as “turks prediction” and it is not -many here and elsewhere have been saying; if the present political vacuum is not filled nothing will change. All the people putting in a word or two for opposition UNITY implicitly mean -that is the only possibility for change. So you are just repeating what everyone has been clear about...as usual |
Clean your house before pointing a finger ... Never be moved by delirious Well-wishers in their ecstasy |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 11 Oct 2010 : 22:45:43
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Kobo, I wish you hadn't quoted me from this topic:Please read the final paragraph to see that posting was made very  and not meant to be taken as a representation of my thoughts,I should have perhaps on second thoughts not left a gap,sorry Kobo.
http://www.gambia.dk/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=9856 my full posting from which you extracted my quote is copied here:
Posted - 11 Oct 2010 : 10:20:21 Show Profile Edit Reply Send toubab1020 a Private Message Reply with Quote Delete Reply
Thanks Doctor Turk, your social mind thought analysis test and published diagnosis is I am sure welcome by those who have a "flaw" which must be healed by yourself to make them change their minds,and become other than an "incompatible" after all everyone must join a united front against that that is oppressing the masses.
Sorry about the above words folks I thought that I would write something very deep and complicated, but meaning nothing !!)
turk are you on facebook and do you twitter ? I bet you do.(
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Originally posted by kobo
Thanks Turk & Toubab 1020 for your active neutral/independent participation in Gambian politics. But Turk I believe a "healthy coalition" is feasible and ALL OPPOSITION HAS ANOTHER CONSTITUTIONAL AVENUE TO MARSHALL A UNITED FRONT AND MOBILISE THE OPPRESSED MASS OR OPPONENTS AGAINST JAMMEH/APRC!
1. Refresh yourselves again from related Bantaba topic A CASE FOR COALITION under http://www.gambia.dk/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=8256
2. Refresh yourselves from previous interviews covered under related Bantaba Gambian politics topic; especially Lawyer Darboe's Interview under http://www.gambia.dk/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=8673
"I believe that there is a high probability of opposition parties uniting against the APRC," he said. ‘‘All opposition parties in the Gambia believed and have hope and faith in a united front,” he noted." Lawyer Darboe
"After all everyone must join a united front against that is oppressing the masses" Toubab 1020
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 11 Oct 2010 : 22:52:03
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Originally posted by terangba
Kobo;
......we deserve ten more witch hunting sags, might be we deserve our fathers, brother and sisters thrown in jail without due process. We deserve our fellow countrymen/women lambasting in jail without out trail. We deserve a President that controls all branches of Government and uses our constitution as toilet paper.
Toubab 1020 that quote is a simple statement that clearly state an open course of action to address all problems stated above; to fight against injustices & oppression! After reading that topic, I decided to import it here to make it more resounding in this topic.
Credit to you and sorry for any inconvenience! |
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kobo
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 12 Oct 2010 : 01:52:27
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| Let me repeat myself again. Nations get the government they deserve! |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 12 Oct 2010 : 02:28:25
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Kobo, in that case you are more than welcome to use those words as a "simple statement", I make a gift of them to you,thanks.
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Originally posted by kobo
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Originally posted by terangba
Kobo;
......we deserve ten more witch hunting sags, might be we deserve our fathers, brother and sisters thrown in jail without due process. We deserve our fellow countrymen/women lambasting in jail without out trail. We deserve a President that controls all branches of Government and uses our constitution as toilet paper.
Toubab 1020 that quote is a simple statement that clearly state an open course of action to address all problems stated above; to fight against injustices & oppression! After reading that topic, I decided to import it here to make it more resounding in this topic.
Credit to you and sorry for any inconvenience!
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Janko
Gambia
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Posted - 12 Oct 2010 : 09:07:09
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Originally posted by turk
Let me repeat myself again. Nations get the government they deserve!
Now tell me, what value has that statement added to this discussion? |
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