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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
 Posted - 22 Sep 2010 : 17:05:52
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Most Diaspora who are opposing to current regime in Gambia have abandoned their country for various reasons. One is they are NOT willing to sacrifices called here. I am not questioning their choice. They don't have to live in Gambia. Personally, no one has to do sacrifice. I personally think that family comes first and for your family if one moves to another place, that is fine. But calling others to sacrifice while you are not, that is not fair.
For you second point, I did not understand.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 23 Sep 2010 : 07:53:39
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Thank you Turk and Toubab. I am aware that jail could be a dangerous place in the Gambia, that is why I have acknowledged that choosing to go to jail in the Gambia ..."is drastic".
I have offered an easier, more acceptable option... |
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kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 23 Sep 2010 : 08:10:27
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Originally posted by toubab1020
Kay,is it a fact that "you have an eye on the presidency." as written by Turk or are your views and ideas that you have expressed in your postings no more than that designed to assist in a fair electorial process.
I definitely do want to rule the Gambia. Although I could be contented by just acting in the background as a (spiritual-ideological) adviser to a great president, but barring that possibility at some point I would like to do it myself.
If I have the privilege to preside over the state of the Gambia, I will be one of the greatest presidents the Gambia will ever have and I will not need long strings of names and titles. I will not drive around in motorcades and throw biscuits to starving children...
I have a vision of a great society, a great democracy, a great economy that could be applied to the Gambia... |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 23 Sep 2010 : 12:02:54
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Kay,I thank you for being honest and posting such a clear vision of what you would do for the Gambian people,your last posting must have taken a lot of soul searching to put into words,a clear and concise piece,as you know I am not Gambian and many here resent what they feel is intrusion into the domestic matters affecting The Gambia,understandable.
I feel that The Gambia has a chance to be a country that could be an example to all Africa on how to join the 21st century this however means accepting that a change from the ingrained thinking of, this is how it has always been, this is what my father and grandfather did ,this is what I will do.
If the Gambian people are unwilling to make that change NO MATTER WHICH LEADER heads an administration The Gambia will not become an example to Africa,thinks will stay as they have always been. |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 23 Sep 2010 : 13:38:56
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| I don't think so Kayjatta. I think you would be great president/prime minister for Sweden, Japan, USA, Denmark but not Gambia. It would be disaster for Gambia to be led by a Stalinist vision. Your vision in general does not fit Gambian realities. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 23 Sep 2010 : 15:29:29
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| Why won't it work in the Gambia? |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 23 Sep 2010 : 15:46:38
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- You have Stalinist/ultra radical secularist view. Gambia is a conservative society. Your view is divisive. It would work with the society that has long secular tradition like Sweden, Japan etc.
- Your perspective on Islam is offensive to population in Gambia. You associate the religion of Islam with terrorism directly. That would be offense to 90 percent of population especially when you apply your agenda of turning Gambians back to animism.
- I would predict a chaos in Gambia when you apply your radical Stalinst agenda in Gambian society.
- As an American, you have a conflict of interests with Gambians. Should Gambians trust you if there was a conflict of interests with your American interests? I question your loyalty due to American agenda when it comes to make a decision i.e. relations with Iran. You have to present the convincing argument you do not work for American interests when you are the president of Gambia.
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I frankly think we should return to our roots. To the gods of our ancestors. To the supreme god Roog for example...
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
Edited by - turk on 23 Sep 2010 18:54:53 |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 23 Sep 2010 : 15:53:59
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You see democracy as an objective. I would see it as a tool to achieve better government system. Gambia needs an agenda of something like South Korea, Singapore and i.e. Malaysia kind of model where the economic development to be a priority and the increasing wealth to trigger establishing better government system.
In my opinion, you are not qualified not because of the lack of the skills and knowledge, I think you have overall excellent skills and knowledge in politics. The problem is following:
Your approach is a 'social engineer' and 'elitist', you have a 'theory' and 'personal socio-economic view', 'personal values' and you want to apply those to a society with different realities.
I think a profile that can work with 'what we have' (reality) would be much better fit to Gambia. Producing solution based on what we have is much more effective than 'changing the society so it would fit to your model'.
This analogy is best. You want Gambia to wear bikini for size 18 while Gambia is a male with size 12. You mentioned once that you would never wear traditional Gambian dress as a president. You would wear suites. You see you want to apply your non-Gambian values to the society. That is fundamental reason you would fail to govern Gambia effectively. Work with what you have. It is better for you to change to fit, rather than society to change to fit your values.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
Edited by - turk on 23 Sep 2010 16:26:06 |
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Moe
USA
2326 Posts |
Posted - 23 Sep 2010 : 19:58:53
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Hmmm... what was his teachings and what were his preachings related to, Ya'll bunch of hypocrites if you ask me, he has no regard according to him about the state or laws of the land. He teaches and preaches exactly what the holy Quran stipulates, Gambia is a secular state and I hope you blind folded fools wake up from your biased opinions, the man was trying to build a terrorist cell kinda like his teachers. Have you fools ever heard of Seperation of church mosque and state, I think he is lucky to be walking the streets a free man. This is the likes of Santafara............................................................................Peacequote:
Originally posted by Nyarikangbanna
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Originally posted by mansasulu
Kay,
He is complying with the SIC because he does not want to find himself in jail.
This one is funny. But I thought Bakawsu is a brave man? Atleast that is what must people say about him. Maybe this one is just a tactical retreat or a surrender of necessity.
Regards
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I am Jebel Musa better yet rock of Gibraltar,either or,still a stronghold and a Pillar commanding direction
The GPU wants Me Hunted Down for what I don't know ..... |
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Moe
USA
2326 Posts |
Posted - 23 Sep 2010 : 20:01:46
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He retreated because of his cowardly move and the fact that he will be jailed if he does not comply, Bakawsu is not a retarded fool and Gambia is not being ruled by Mullah Omar.....................................................Peacequote:
Originally posted by Nyarikangbanna
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Originally posted by mansasulu
Kay,
He is complying with the SIC because he does not want to find himself in jail.
This one is funny. But I thought Bakawsu is a brave man? Atleast that is what must people say about him. Maybe this one is just a tactical retreat or a surrender of necessity.
Regards
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I am Jebel Musa better yet rock of Gibraltar,either or,still a stronghold and a Pillar commanding direction
The GPU wants Me Hunted Down for what I don't know ..... |
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toubab1020
12306 Posts |
Posted - 23 Sep 2010 : 22:05:29
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| Moe, welcome back, how about a turk V Moe discussion ? |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Moe
USA
2326 Posts |
Posted - 23 Sep 2010 : 22:12:14
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I told ya you ain't gonna be king this year, an alkaloo has limited authority, Only Kings can instigate another Turk vs Moe, a King like Turk and Moe. Stick to your alkaloship and chill Alakalo1020, Good to see ya up to no good............................................................Peacequote:
Originally posted by toubab1020
Moe, welcome back, how about a turk V Moe discussion ?
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I am Jebel Musa better yet rock of Gibraltar,either or,still a stronghold and a Pillar commanding direction
The GPU wants Me Hunted Down for what I don't know ..... |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 23 Sep 2010 : 22:23:50
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| It is possible to have debate of moe vs turk or turk vs moe. What is NOT possible; Turk vs Touby as I can't debate with empty and shallow thoughts! |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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toubab1020
12306 Posts |
Posted - 24 Sep 2010 : 00:09:43
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Hmmmmmmmmmm sorry I don't like deep holes,they are always a big problem to dig yourself out of.
Is the glass half empty or half full ?
whatever, have a "discussion" with Moe, I would like to see some good wrestling |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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toubab1020
12306 Posts |
Posted - 24 Sep 2010 : 00:15:03
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OK, I will take a chill pill, and watch the sunset and wrestling !! in between the rain of course,can't have too much mud for the contest
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Originally posted by Moe
I told ya you ain't gonna be king this year, an alkaloo has limited authority, Only Kings can instigate another Turk vs Moe, a King like Turk and Moe. Stick to your alkaloship and chill Alakalo1020, Good to see ya up to no good............................................................Peacequote:
Originally posted by toubab1020
Moe, welcome back, how about a turk V Moe discussion ?
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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