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turk
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 Posted - 17 Sep 2010 : 14:22:59
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| Since everyone loves so much about politics. I propose admin to organize a poll and the candidates from the Bantaba members. There will be one shot about creating a manifesto. It should not be more than 1000 words. Then we have an election in Bantaba about the manifestos. Who will get the presidency. I dare you to get more vote than you. lol. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 17 Sep 2010 : 14:49:50
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Originally posted by turk
I would have serious doubt about a presidential candidate promising me what to wear, or what color the room in the presidential palace to be. I don't want simplifying. I want detail solution. Like you said, Education is free. I am not going to believe you if you don't tell me how you will get the money for it.
Your empty promises are not good enough for my standards. Education will be free. How, typical political promises, it will be free, but where is the fund?
I have answererd this eduational fund thing here before Turk. Just look under the education section  |
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kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 17 Sep 2010 : 15:04:21
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Please see below what I have said here before in another topic. I am sure when I discuss with (my) economic (advisory) team, we will find more areas to cut and raise money ...
"I strongly believe the Gambia can afford free high school education for all. The money is there, they don't need to create new money for it. Like I said there is so much govt.waste in corruption, inefficiency, travel allowances, and there is absolutely some room for higher taxation of the rich and the super-rich. Currently, college and university education are largely free in the Gambia. Here is what can be done. College and university education should no longer be free. It should be paid with subsidized student loans and grants, payable with employment after graduation. That money could offset part of the cost of high school education." |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 17 Sep 2010 : 15:20:46
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Dear President Candidate
What you said is not satisfactory. I don’t care what you believe, I want the facts, argument and solution. You said money is there. How? Show me the figures? How do you know if the money is there? What guarantees that you will stop the corruption and waste? What is your solution? Don’t tell me you are ‘good person’ and will not do corruption. How will you improve the efficiency? Travel allowance? How much money spent on Travel allowance? Show me the figures? lol.
And here is what I expect you to focus. Constitutional change.
1. Constitutional Reform.
a. I would not even consider any limit for political term limit. My principle that, anyone should run for a political position as long as they desire. It is not up to them to hold the power; it is up to voters to elect them. If they are not good enough, there is a mechanism to bring him or her down.
b. Legislation would have total authority to make law. In addition legislation has the authority to bring down the Executive (Prime Minister) with the vote of confidence.
c. National Assembly would have 100 members for every 4 years. The election of these members is very complex.
i. Regional Representatives: 70 members are elected from political party candidates/Independents. Based on the population, there would be ridings. These members would represent different ‘region’.
ii. The political parties must have at least one fourth women candidate in their candidate.
iii. Expert Representatives: 20 Members are elected from expert reserve poll. These are not regional based, they are national representative. The most voted candidates will be elected representing the nation. The qualifications of these members are strict. They must have university/college degree. This way, the parliament will also have members representing the ‘nation’ not only region who have skills and qualifications during the legislation process.
iv. 10 Members are elected by the Prime Minister who forms the Government. These 10 Members will be candidate by the political parties as reserve. When Government are established. They will become members of National Assembly. This is to give the additional power to the biggest political group in the parliament a push to have majority to overcome the deadlock in possible coalition or minority government situation.
v. Executive is no longer is president. The presidential system have tendency to became totalitarian system, and presidents became a dictator and they stay in power for long time. The executive is the PM and the cabinet. And executive stay in the power as long as they have confidence in the parliament.
vi. There would be still president with little power as the head of the Government. The president would be elected by the national assembly for 7 years.
d. De-centralization:
i. There would be local government reform and cities/towns/villages function micro central government (It has legislative/executive power) having certain authorities.
ii. Education, Health, Infrastructure would be executed by the local governments. Also, they would have taxation power. The purpose of this to share the political power horizontally.
iii. Central government would have role for planning, setting standards and auditing the services and the standards of local government. But the daily execution of government function would be the local governments.
e. Army and Police
i. Army would not have any role in internally. Their duty is to protect the borders.
f. There would be different groups of policing
i. Rangers: Dealing with Traffic, applying rule of regulation of government, in commerce area, tourism etc. They are under the authority of local government.
ii. Police: Dealing with crime. Under the authority of Local Government.
iii. Special Security Forces: Dealing with national security. Under the authority of Central Government.
iv. Rural Police: Under the authority of Central Govern.ent.
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I frankly think we should return to our roots. To the gods of our ancestors. To the supreme god Roog for example...
As a president, you need to be secular. But the quote above, using 'we' is the indication that you are going to involve the change of religion of Gambians which is the fundamental right of religious freedom of Gambians who are Muslims and Christians and you will advocate on the conversion to animism. I say kayjatta is going to establish a anti-secular theocratic state when he became the president based on his intension. Outrages. Your religious stand is going to turn Gambia to theocratic state like Saudi Arabia.lol.
So the question is why Muslims and Christians should elect you as president while you have a personal agenda that you want to change the religion of the nation? Looking forward to hearing from you. :) |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 17 Sep 2010 : 16:25:33
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KAY, bet you wish you hadn't put yourself forward now ,it will be Kay V turk from now on,be prepared for a lot of nit picking and social,ethnic,Arab,Turkish,African,women in power Positions,homosexuals,Christians,Muslims, and associated topics,and what would be your views?. |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 17 Sep 2010 : 16:29:09
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touby
Your principle of simplicity is limiting your ability to post anything intelligent. Or regardless of the principle, you are not capable to post anything intelligent. There will never be a touby vs turk, unlike other posters you do not bring anything worth to debate. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 17 Sep 2010 : 16:32:36
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I am very pleased about that, when I have nothing to say or the topic is beyond my understanding and knowlege I tend to keep quiet instead of spouting unnecessary words that are strung together and have no meaning
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touby
Your principle of simplicity is limiting your ability to post anything intelligent. Or regardless of the principle, you are not capable to post anything intelligent.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 17 Sep 2010 : 16:41:42
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Perhaps, it does not mean anything to you due to lack of knowledge to comprehend. Why not stick your principle and do not post anything under politics. That would eliminate lots of unnecessary post that cause pollution.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Dalton1
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Posted - 17 Sep 2010 : 16:44:29
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2bab,
I greatly champion your take on some of these petit issues. You are right, it absolute nonsense to 'flame' topics unnecessarily and think others should join you in that futile venture...absolute rubbish!
"Simple is good, & i dislike politics."2bab. That is a golden wisdom.
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Regards,
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"There is no god but Allah (SWT); and Muhammad (SAW)is His last messenger." shahadah. Fear & Worship Allah (SWT) Alone! (:
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 17 Sep 2010 : 16:51:20
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| Flame? I call it 'heated debate'. Those who have 'simple mind principle' and 'disliking politics' are posting under politics section which require complex/intensive debate and interests. You are in the wrong place. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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toubab1020
12311 Posts |
Posted - 17 Sep 2010 : 17:37:53
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Just because I "strongly dislike politics " dosn't stop me from posting,or perhaps you preclude those who dislike things for having free expression of their views ?
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Originally posted by turk
Perhaps, it does not mean anything to you due to lack of knowledge to comprehend. Why not stick your principle and do not post anything under politics. That would eliminate lots of unnecessary post that cause pollution.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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toubab1020
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Posted - 17 Sep 2010 : 17:40:34
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Dalton1,dont know about a "golden vision"  "flame" topics, I call conflict discussions Thanks for your words.
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Originally posted by Dalton1
2bab,
I greatly champion your take on some of these petit issues. You are right, it absolute nonsense to 'flame' topics unnecessarily and think others should join you in that futile venture...absolute rubbish!
"Simple is good, & i dislike politics."2bab. That is a golden wisdom.
:)
Regards,
Yero.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 17 Sep 2010 : 18:01:50
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touby
I politely suggested stfu when you are making personal comments about me. You are not a moderator, and I have freedom of expression in this bantaba forum. I don't have to post the way you do. Let me politely tell you again, it is not F(in gerund form) your business, how I debate. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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toubab1020
12311 Posts |
Posted - 17 Sep 2010 : 18:17:21
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I am fully in favour of free expression of views you are obviously not.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 17 Sep 2010 : 19:08:06
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| Then why you are critical on my debating style? Also, you have free of expression making personal comments about me, and I have freedom of expression to tell you off. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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