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dbaldeh
USA
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 Posted - 10 Sep 2010 : 11:48:44
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Originally posted by Senegambia
dbaldeh, do yourself a favor and read your postings over again and maybe you will remove them immediately as they only characterize a weak debater, who is neither here nor there, screaming too loud and saying too much. Too much more than necessary! There is a reason they say anger is a letter short for danger. Nyari is doing what he is suppose to do and he is doing it well and I respect that. In his own way, Kobo is representing another perspective and I respect that too. Opinionated individuals coming out strongly on issues and devoid of anger. Remember Moe(AWOL)? Remember your exchanges? You despised them so why repeat such now.. How sad to see people one holds in high esteem disappoints so much in so short a time.
Senegambia, sorry to disappoint you if I don't come out and be partisan like Nyari and Kobo.
Am simply sick and tired of the partisan politics that has no winning formula.
Any decent Gambian who wish to see our country out of the predicament we find ourselves in should be sick and tired of the war of words between PDOIS and UDP.
They should do us a favor and give us concrete ideas on how to solve our problems with compromise rather than everyone pulling towards themselves at the expense of everyone else.
Let me ask you a simple common sense question that does not require you to think hard...
Would you rather support the current position of UDP not talking to PDOIS and not willing to take the lead for the opposition parties, or would you rather see people like Nyari swallow their empty pride and shub in everything so we can get to a better Gambia?
Do you think these continues bickering and back and forth pushing and pulling will take us anywhere?
Do you wish the UDP well? if so how in the world do you think they are going to do any better allowing nuckle heads like Nyari to speak on their behalf?
You know I think it is time people who love Ousainou Darboe come out and call these so called loyalists for who they are!!!.
Darboe a highly successful lawyer who probably has nothing to gain in politics was lured into leading a party for almost 2 decades and these people still continue to marginalize his ideas and belittle his efforts.
Do you guys realize that this is Darboe's last chance to contest a presidential election in the Gambia because of his age? What would be his political legacy come December 2011 in a losing course?
Do you guys even stop and use your brains and think about how history is recording your marginalize actions in the name of this noble citizen?.
I will disclose to you that I am privilege to associate with folks who are very close to the UDP leadership and I have a lot of respect for them despite our disagreements on their substance. I have spoken to Darboe face to face and you cannot ask for a better person to talk to. The fact is these people are sick and tired of divisive lads like Nyari and Senegambia.
He was recently called by a genuine UDP militant on his divisive tactics and his response he thinks those people are weak. You drill him on his actions he cannot get out of his "conventional norm".
Darboe genuinely signed on to NADD and he made it categorically clear for all that regardless of which candidate was selected for NADD he would honor it. Do you know who forced this hard working, decent citizen to swallow his words and back down to their wishes? It is those brainless folks who only see power and nothing else. They continue to dream in being in control without understanding what it takes to get there. You can't get there alone so the sooner you realize that the better!!!!
In fact, I will further insinuate that these people with their so called brains cannot and will not help the UDP. If they claimed to be so brilliant? why can't they even come up with a program document to help the UDP put out their agendas in writing for all to see?
Why do you think it takes months to read a written statement from the UDP party leadership? Come on!!! it is time to call a spade a spade. Left to humble Darboe alone he would not associate with so called clan folks...
I do seriously feel sorry for Darboe because he is too humble to deal with these egoistic folks. I wish Yahya, Karamba and others will step in and call the shots.
I will take this task going forward to expose these so called UDP loyalists who don't in fact have the interest of the party in seeing them win.
By the way, anyone can raise funds so don't give us that fundraising gimmic... Help Darboe use his last opportunity to mobilize the Gambian opposition and let history record him as the one who saved the Gambian political dilema... That is your responsibility!!! Do I make sense now?
Brother Kobo... I shall be back on Halifa... Am done with individual leadership loyalty... Gambia is bigger than any citizen, any party or group of clans. We either choose to forge a union or go down collectively in shame!!!!
I leave you with quote:
“Whatever affects one directly, affects all indirectly. I can never be what I ought to be until you are what you ought to be. This is the interrelated structure of reality.” – Martin Luther King, Jr. |
Baldeh,
"Be the change you want to see in the world" Ghandi
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Edited by - dbaldeh on 10 Sep 2010 11:55:26 |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 10 Sep 2010 : 12:25:12
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PLEASE LETS STOP THE PARTISAN BICKERING  ALSO LET ME SET THE RECORDS STRAIGHT FOR dBaldeh & others; THAT AM NOT ON PARTISAN POLITICS BUT DEFENDING THE PETTINESS, IMMATURITY, PERSONAL ATTACKS & SMEARING CAMPAIGN BY CERTAIN INDIVIDUALS AGAINST HALIFA/PDOIS!
1.I AM NOT A MEMBER OF PDOIS AND HAS NEVER BEEN. I ONLY VOTED ONCE FOR THEM FOR MP IN MY AREA!
2. SINCE UDP EXISTED I HAVE BEEN CASTING MY VOTES FOR DARBOE & UDP CANDIDATES BANKING ON THAT UDP BOOSTED BY FORMER PPP MILITANTS CAN RALLY THE SUPPORT TO CHALLENGE JAMMEH/APRC; FOR I THOUGHT THEY HAD GREATER CHANCE DURING THOSE ELECTIONS; WITHOUT ANY SUCCESS!
3. I AM A FERVENT SUPPORTER OF NADD 100% AND THE MOU AS THE BEST DOCUMENT OR WAS VERY GOOD FOR A PROPER TACTICAL ALLIANCE THAT CAN MOBILISED MASS OPPOSITION AS AN UNITED FRONT FOR STRATEGIC REASONS TO TOPPLE JAMMEH/APRC! If anyone is in doubt please re-visit NADD MOU, verify what's wrong with it or why it is considered an OATH & COME BACK HERE TO TELL ME ABOUT YOUR OPINION?
4. I WILL NOT CONDONE ANY PETTY POLITICS, DISTORTIONS, SMEARING CAMPAIGN & DIRECT PERSONAL ATTACKS AGAINST OUR BEST POLITICIANS; ESPECIALLY HALIFA/PDOIS DOING A GOOD JOB IN TERMS OF CIVIC EDUCATION, PROBITY, ACCOUNTABILITY, TRANSPARENCY & DEFENDING HUMAN RIGHTS IN THE INTEREST OF THE NATION
5. FINALLY I ENDORSED PDOIS AGENDA 2011 AND SUPPORT A UNITED NATIONAL FRONT FOR ALL OPPOSITION PARTIES TO UNITE UNDER ONE UMBRELLA SIMILAR TO NADD STRATEGIC FORM & MOBILISE WHAT IS NECESSARY AGAINST JAMMEH/APRC.
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Senegambia
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Posted - 10 Sep 2010 : 16:19:20
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dbaldeh, thanks for your response. I see you have left me with a few questions to answer. I had a demanding day and deserve nothing but a rest but I will still try to respond only to your questions and avoid any analysis.
You asked: Would you rather support the current position of UDP not talking to PDOIS and not willing to take the lead for the opposition parties, or would you rather see people like Nyari swallow their empty pride and shub in everything so we can get to a better Gambia?
Answer: In politics there's no perfect Party. Neither UDP nor the rest are perfect. Therefore any vote from me in any election will be a strategic vote that will ensure my interest. Right now that interest is removing APRC from position into the opposition camp. My stand when it comes to UDP and PDOIS is a natural one: The bigger party should lead and let the smaller secure heavy weight positions in the coalition. Now, unlike you, I don't know any UDP official but if I did I would be encouraging to maintain an atmosphere of respect and mutual understanding between them and other parties at all time. It's hard to agree on everything but it's possible to disagree in an aggreeable manner! Regarding Nyari, I don't see him the way you do and that is that.
You asked: Do you think these continues bickering and back and forth pushing and pulling will take us anywhere?
A: I don't.
You asked: Do you wish the UDP well? if so how in the world do you think they are going to do any better allowing nuckle heads like Nyari to speak on their behalf?
A: I wish all opposition parties in the Gambia well. As for Nyari, I do not see him the way you do and that is that.
You asked: Do you guys realize that this is Darboe's last chance to contest a presidential election in the Gambia because of his age? What would be his political legacy come December 2011 in a losing course?
A: I know this is Darboe's last chance and I never doubt his sacrifice for Gambia. Left to me alone, he would resist the so called pressure from the "people" and resign after he lost the first election. I wish it was natural for our party leaders to resign when they lose elections. His legacy, after all these years in the opposition under Jammeh, will be admirable in my book.
You asked: Do you guys even stop and use your brains and think about how history is recording your marginalize actions in the name of this noble citizen?
A: I can only speak for myself. Right here on Bantaba, I have defended Darboe on many occassions from criticisms I deem unfair but understanding that he is a public figure who should be scruitinized like any other.
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dbaldeh
USA
934 Posts |
Posted - 11 Sep 2010 : 10:30:03
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Senegambia, much respect to you! you have attempted to answer my questions in a respectable manner and that is something I admire - the ability to dialogue without being sentimental.
Off course, I never hesitate to respond to any ideology or sign of Euphemism.
I think you and I can exchange ideas, learn from each others point of view and agree to disagree. You earned my respect for that.
One area I disagree with you and I think you are less sincere is calling Nyari on what he has been peddling here for a very long time. It is not about how you see him or anyone else. It is about his position and actions he takes towards a possible unified opposition.
His actions has been detrimental to his own party with or without intention. He may not realize the unintended consequences of his actions or divisive positions, but it surely is not helpful to the very goals of the UDP, which is winning the hearts and minds of its fellow opposition parties and that of the electorates.
No party can force any other to join them regardless of size. You use your leverage at the bargaining table to convince others to give up their position. That is the right "conventional norm". Not just expect yes sir from everybody without clear agreements. That's my point!
Senegambia, it doesn't matter what your relationship with Nyari or anyone is. Common sense dictates that if anyone takes actions that has serious consequential effects on your interest, you reach out to him and try to persuade him to work in the interest of your party.
It might comfort you to know that genuine UDP members have tried to reach out to him to exercise restrain but, because of his egos he brand those people as weak.
Senegambia, all am saying is that Gambian opposition efforts deserve a united force to try to get them to the table. They don't deserve any more divisive tactics than what we have gone through. We should all hold back, get them to the table to find a solution to this terrible political situation we found ourselves.
If that makes common sense to you, then we are in the same boat. If losing at all cost make sense to you, then I will agree to disagree with you and will caution sleeping with the enemy within.
Eid mubarak my brother and to all!!!
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Baldeh,
"Be the change you want to see in the world" Ghandi
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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
1382 Posts |
Posted - 11 Sep 2010 : 15:54:04
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Senegambia, forget about this Demba Baldeh. He is a sick guy. You will never succeed in making sense into his head.
He lied when he said a UDP militant called me to plea. I was never called by any UDP militant outside the UDP-UK circle. In fact none of the people he mentioned, all of whom lives in USA, have my number and I have never spoken to any of them in person. This guy is just a pathological liar. In fact, these people are not UDP officials. So why would I be bothered about what they said and what they don't? The truth is; the views of the UDP Diaspora are in absolute convergence on this coalition issue. At least that is what I have been picking in the UDP-UK email inbox. So this knob cannot stir division within the UDP Diaspora. We are too sophisticated for that. I have no reason to call anybody 'weak' because no UDP militant anywhere in this world has so far expressed any dissenting or divergent views to ours.
It is not, so far, UDP's strategy to draft a proposal as a pre-requisite to negotiation. That is an academic approach which does have a grave potential for failure as it will lead to parties being bucked down in endless petty academic debate which will lead to nowhere and might even widen the gap between PDOIS and UDP. What we need is a pragmatic approach. First; PDOIS would have to accept through the negotiator [name withheld out of respect for confidentiality], that UDP is the bigger force and therefore only legitimate that a coalition be built around it as convention dictates. Once we have an agreement, at least in principle, communicated to the UDP, we can then jump start the process and have UDP engage PDOIS on whatever conditions or concessions they [pdois] would want to get from this. This is how coalitions are built. It is what Ms Gillard has done with the minorities in Australia just recently and was what has happened in Britain too. It is basically the universal norm of coalition building. No reasonable person would deem this as an unreasonable position that is inimical to national interest or at worst, a sign of blind partisan loyalty. Only the disingenuous would think otherwise.
Baldeh is inept and has problem justifying and convincingly explaining the position he has adopted in this matter. That's why he exploded with rage and tirades against people who exposes his inadequacy. In 2006/07, he and Yero Jallow [Dalton] were all over the place calling me a loner but I was right and they were dead wrong. Demba’s rage is only being spilled over here to compensate for his ineptness. That’s all and nothing else. He knows that I know and understands the issues better than him and he gets frustrated when I am not forthcoming with information. But should I pander to his innuendos and compromise some confidential information relating to efforts of coalition building in the Gambia? No. All I can say is that the UDP-UK's position is that conventional norms of coalition building has to be followed as it is the case all over the world in which we live. If Demba Baldeh has problem with then I have a Mathew Jallow solution for him; let him go blow himself up.
I have no doubt that those who don't want to recognise the fact that in a democracy, leadership is derived from the voice of the majority are insincere in their call for unity and should therefore be totally ignored. Nowhere in this world has this principle ever been compromised in the guise of national interest. Let Demba go blow himself up or give us a break.
Anyway, I am not bothered about persoanl attacks on my person. If anything, it makes me sleep very well knowing that I have pressed the buttons quite hard.
Regards
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Edited by - Nyarikangbanna on 11 Sep 2010 18:42:18 |
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dbaldeh
USA
934 Posts |
Posted - 12 Sep 2010 : 11:06:31
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Mr. Daffeh isn't it ironical that those who are considered party militants don't have your number or ever spoken to you about the UDP outside of your UDP/UK circle?
If you are as informed on the issues as you claimed to be, why would you in your position as a UDP militant not speak to your colleagues in the US? Didn't you not just confirm my assertion that in fact you are "a loner" as you stated.
Do UDP members have to have your number to speak with you? What happens to conference call numbers you have been a part of in regards to UDP?
Do you see how shallow and narrow minded you sound when you come out and think that you know the issues more than anyone else?
Daffeh, I have no reason to lie not on someone so insignificant like you and as time goes on the people who spoke to you and try to convince you to swallow your egos and consider the best interest of the party will come here and call you for who you are?
So this is what knowing the issues sounds like???... go to a negotiation table empty handed and expect to get everything that you want?
Do you understand that there are lots of ground work and off the record negotiations that goes on before any form of coalition is formed?
Do you reasonably believe that the UK, Australia etc political coalition that took place happened without party militants meeting off the records and presenting their side of the issues in written format?
How could you go to a negotiation table without written guideline of what your wishes are and what you are willing to compromise or not?
Do you have any problem with this picture sir? Who in his/her sound mind will negotiate with an empty handed dude with scriptures in your brain?
What will ever show what was discussed and who said what? Do you see what the key problem of signing documents without clearly understanding or putting across your points was during the NADD negotiation? Ain't we not left with "he said she said"
Did you say UDP does not have a policy of presenting written statements? Are you serious? Isn't that what everyone here has been asking for and no one seems to understand where you stand except dismissing what position others hold?
Daffeh, I think you are and your types are part of the problems the UDP has. Isn't theoritical and in the head approach not a sign of weakness and lack of practical solutions. If you think that is the best approach, why do you bother to bombard us here with your written statements? What was the need to come up with a written document? This is the modern era and not the batter system!!!!
Daffeh, you present a terrible picture of what the UDP represents and you need to be called on it... Insha-allah you will be called on it and you will not be able to continue to homogenize the efforts of the UDP and noble citizens. There is simply too much at stake to allow people like you to lead a group of noble citizens into astray..
The good sons and daughters of the Gambia will show you that Gambia is more than one point of negative view after another..
Your brother Santafara and I went through a lot of these debates. I will be honest to you he has seen the bigger picture which is ultimately the interest of the UDP. This is what sensible people recognize and try to change at least internally...
You are doing disservice to your party and your leadership!!! That is my call and I will stick with it until you realize that there is something bigger than you, the UDP, PDOIS and any group of individuals And that is Gambia!!! |
Baldeh,
"Be the change you want to see in the world" Ghandi
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