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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 03 Sep 2010 : 15:53:34
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UDP-UK’s Rejoinder: Let’s draw lesson from NADD and move on to address the demands for democratic change.
The Executive Committee of the United Democratic Party [UK Chapter] has reviewed PDOIS’s Public Notice of 15th August 2010 and noticed that PDOIS didn’t disagree with our position that NADD was designed to be an alliance as per the terms of the Memorandum of Understanding [MOU] that established it. They, in fact, implicitly agreed with us in that respect by way of repeated reference to NADD as an alliance. We therefore consider that aspect of our dispute resolved. The question that now arises is this; can an alliance be registered under our electoral laws for the purpose of contesting and sponsoring candidates in public elections? The answer is a definite no. We have explained how Section 60 of the Constitution prohibits any such venture from taking place and therefore do not need to repeat that. We have also explained how NADD came to be registered as a political party. We do not need to repeat that too. People can refer to our Press Release of 31st July 2010 for background information.
PDOIS have stated that the symbols prescribed under article 16 of the MOU, i.e. colour, emblem and motto, are instruments of registration and therefore meant that NADD was supposed to be registered. This argument is untenable. As was previously stated, Article 16 does not stand alone and therefore cannot be interpreted in this way. It forms part of a broad instrument the context of which has been clearly defined and established by the preamble and Article 1 of the MOU as an alliance. By virtue of the restriction exhibited by Section 60 of the Constitution, and in the light of the Supreme Court ruling in the case of Hon. Halifa Sallah & Others v. The Clerk of the National Assembly [2005], alliances cannot be registered under our electoral laws for the purpose of contesting and sponsoring candidates in public elections. That is why NADD was deemed as a political party when it registered with the Independent Electoral Commission. How Halifa Sallah was able to say ‘‘the registration was a constitutional requirement’’ is beyond imagination. This is what Section 60 states;
‘‘No association, other than a political party registered under or pursuant of an Act of the National Assembly, shall sponsor candidates in public elections.’’
Halifa also stated that the IEC has powers to make rules for the registration of alliances but did not cite any statutory or constitutional authority to support this. Nonetheless and even if this is the case, any such rules can only take the form of a Bye-law and would become obsolete under Section 4, to the extent of its inconsistency with Section 60 of the constitution. Therefore, this would not have given NADD any legal standing whatsoever, to sponsor candidates in public elections as an alliance. This is what Section 4 states;
‘‘This constitution is the supreme law of the Gambia and any law found to be inconsistent with any provision of this constitution shall, to the extent of the inconsistency, be void.’’
We did not state that Halifa Sallah was in the Gambia when registration papers were being submitted to the IEC. Our position is that this was done by a Halifa Sallah aide with delegated authority from Halifa Sallah. It is therefore a complete gimmick that PDOIS chose to remind us about Halifa’s where about on that faithful day. We do not need to be reminded for we know exactly where he was.
If there was a working veto in NADD, Mr. Hassan Musa Camara, the then Chairman, would not have found the need to personally intervene to stop the registration from going ahead, after being briefed on the legal ramifications by a member party, only to discover that it has already been carried-out. Mr. Lamin Waa Juwara too would not have walked out of NADD after disagreement with Halifa and PDOIS over the decision to leave NADD without a leader for two years.
We Agree with PDOIS
We agree with PDOIS that the exchange of angry invectives between opposition parties and supporters is counter-productive and could lead to voters becoming apathetic. It is for this very reason that no other opposition leader has deemed it necessary or appropriate to respond to Halifa Sallah’s persistent invectives over the NADD debacle. Now that the PDOIS party recognises this as counter-productive, we hope that also means a complete end to this chapter.
UDP-UK now considers this matter close and would from henceforth, make no further comment on this issue subject to the condition that PDOIS too reciprocate this by sticking to their words and never renege on them. That way, we can all turn our focus on the APRC and complement, collaborate or even coalese in the process. This is what the conventional wisdom has asked for.
We once again urge all Gambians and opposition parties in The Gambia to be united and rally behind the main opposition United Democratic Party for a peaceful democratic change in 2011, and together we will not only change a government but a political system. This is not about helping somebody to become an elite but a necessity to rescue The Gambia from her present predicament.
THE END.
Issued by: United Democratic Party [UK Chapter]
Signed and Delivered by: SS Daffeh, Secretary-General
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I do not oppose unity but I oppose dumb union. |
Edited by - Nyarikangbanna on 03 Sep 2010 16:27:32 |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 04 Sep 2010 : 02:50:50
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THIS ISSUES THAT SHOULD BE ADDRESSED ARE NOT YET OVER! THERE ARE DIFFERENCES OF OPINIONS ON WHAT ACTUALLY TRANSPIRED & INTERPRETATION OF THE OPERATIVE LAW FOR ALLIANCES/COALITION UNDER THE GAMBIA CONSTITUTION; i.e "MERGERS"
NADD FAILED BECAUSE OF CERTAIN WEAKNESSES INCLUDING POWER STRUGGLES BUT NOT ON TECHNICALITIES OF REGISTRATION TO QUALIFY IN CONTESTING ELECTIONS UNDER ONE UMBRELLA! THATS WHY HALIFA BROUGHT IN MOTTO, COLOUR & EMBLEM FOR THAT ALLIANCE AS DEFINED UNDER ARTICLE 1 OF MOU!
PLEASE REVISIT RELATED BANTABA GAMBIAN POLITICS TOPIC The Rise and Fall of NADD UNDER http://www.gambia.dk/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=8489
FACTS
1. Opposition parties agreed on 50/50 representation to form an ALLIANCE/COALITION!
2. AT THAT TIME THERE WAS A COMMON NATIONAL GOAL, A CLEARLY DEFINED AGENDA & TACTICAL STRATEGY UNDER NADD MOU THAT OVERRIDE ANY OF THE OPPOSITION PARTIES INTERESTS!
3. NADD IS ALSO A WINNING STRATEGY FOR ALL OPPOSITION PARTIES AS A UNITED NATIONAL FRONT; WHETHER RALLIED OR MOBILISED AS AN ALLIANCE/COALITION UNDER ONE UMBRELLA!
4. NADD WAS NOT TO SERVE UDP OR PDOIS & OTHER SIGNATORIES BUT A SAVE THE GAMBIA DEMOCRACY PROJECT!
5. NADD WAS NOT A PARTY-LED ALLIANCE BUT CAN BEST BE DESCRIBED AS A UNITED NATIONAL FRONT FOR ALL OPPOSITION PARTIES!
6. EVEN BEFORE REGISTRATION OF NADD THE MOU HAS LEFT NO ONE IN DOUBT THAT A "MERGER" HAS TACTICALLY OR TECHNICALLY OCCURRED!
NO ONE WILL BAFFLE US
Other comments and opinions to follow in due course! |
Edited by - kobo on 04 Sep 2010 03:56:46 |
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dbaldeh
USA
934 Posts |
Posted - 04 Sep 2010 : 09:25:41
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Kobo, come on. Every little analysis, technical or constitutional analysis on the fall of NADD has been done. The argument is monotonous and it is not taking us anywhere.
The challenge to you, and everyone else here is: Are we going to continue to dig deeper into what happened and risk everything, or are we going to man up and give solutions to move forward?
What do we seek to gain in beating this dead horse over and over again?
Do we want to move forward or simply drag this on and on forever?
Is the situation dire to you and those who continue to drive us down this road?
When are we going to get out of our comfortable Western refuge and think for a way forward. This is sickening!!!
We need solutions, solutions and solutions. We need to put our freking brains (excuse my language for once)to get our opposition parties on a common platform.
Am just so sick and tired of endless analysis with nothing to gain from it... This is at best the greatest of egos I have ever seen...
If I see one more analysis of what befold of NADD I will call for a revolt against this elitist and clueless, degrading behavior!!! |
Baldeh,
"Be the change you want to see in the world" Ghandi
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 05 Sep 2010 : 13:30:38
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dBaldeh You can't silent me as am reacting on the statements, comments and making certain observations in our deliberations! I seem to even see you as biased, disappointing or most irritating from certain comments posted beyond my imagination subscribed by you? A full time writer, journalist and political commentator; expected of acquiring the facts, moderator skill, inform judgement, well balanced in "fair reporting"!
In the case of NADD, I cannot condone the distortions, manipulations, wrong judgements, mis-representations & opinionated factionalism ideology by newly form group UDP-UK! They are not leaders of UDP and don't have the mandate issuing frivolous press releases and declarations on behalf of UDP; IN MY OPINION! WE KNEW WHO THEY ARE ESPECIALLY THE ACTIVE BRAINS IN FORMING IT & ENGAGED IN CYBER TERRORISM AGAINST PDOIS/HALIFA SOME OF THEM HAVE BEEN ANTI-NADD AND ARE STILL THE STUMBLING BLOCKS WHO FRUSTRATING EFFORTS IN SETTING THE PLATFORM FOR OUR OPPOSITION PARTIES & LEADERS ON DIALOGUE & NEGOTIATIONS! THEY CAN EXPRESS THEIR OPINIONS & PERSONAL DECLARATIONS BUT CANNOT FORM THE DECISIONS, JUDGEMENTS AND CONCLUSIONS FOR US ON NADD & 2011 AGENDA FOR OPPOSITION PARTIES
However I have certain reservations on some points raised in UDP-UK's Rejoinder!
Will be back later! |
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dbaldeh
USA
934 Posts |
Posted - 07 Sep 2010 : 02:49:49
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Brother Kobo, I will never attempt to silence you because I know and appreciate the value of exchanging ideas and free speech.
What I try to do is to count on your wealth of knowledge and experience on the issues to help get us out of this deadlock we found ourselves in without an end in sight.
NADD or NO NADD brother Kobo it is history and we must do ourselves justice and look to the future. NADD was a chapter in our history and as for who was right or wrong it is upto history to judge that.
No amount of explanation will convince the other side. So why belabour and beat this dead issue over and over again? It is like some of us are so obsess with the NADD failure that we cannot imagine anything without NADD.
So my appeal to you and every decent GambiaN here is to think about what our country has gone through for the last 16 years...
Think about the long term negative effects on what human right violations of our citizens will do, think about the desruptions and humilations our people had to go through all these years?
Think about how we should be getting out of this situation instead of continous bickering and finger pointing of the very people who are in the same fight with us?
Kobo, I have a strong believe regardless of what side of the aile you are on about NADD it is a losing course to continue to peddle the same story over and over again.
Kobo, if you notice, I have been a strong supporter of the NADD idea before and I have supported Halifa on this forum openly without hesitation. But kobo, no one man is in dispensable in our political process. Halifa's position is having a negative effect on our quest for unity.
I am strongly convince that Halifa can be more effective by being a part of a group bigger than his PDOIS circle. He has to find a way to reach across the aile and find a common ground. He need to get back to what he does best by drawing lessons from history and moving forward as a better person. He is currently bugged down by the NADD stigma, and that is almost defining who he is...
I don't belief the legacy of Halifa and PDOIS with all their sacrifices should be defined by the failure of NADD. They have to use their brains something they have done well before and strike a compromise with lesser of the two evils. A half baked loaf of bread is better than nothing. A coalition to force Jammeh to respect the will of the people is better than them going it alone.
This is what I meant when I say "lesser of the two evils". So brother kobo, I am not being biased. I am refusing to blindly support a party or candidate without looking at the best interest of our people.
This is what I believe many of you are doing. The folks supporting Halifa and PDOIS are doing it without looking at the general picture and long term benefits of our nation. The UDP folks Nyari and others are doing the same thing. They are supporting Darboe and the UDP at all cost without looking at the long term effect of disunity or bitter division.
So you can call me bias if it is for the simple reason that I refused to blindly support any individual or party ideology because it is becoming detrimental to our course. |
Baldeh,
"Be the change you want to see in the world" Ghandi
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Janko
Gambia
1267 Posts |
Posted - 07 Sep 2010 : 10:21:58
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dBaldeh, you made some good points.
The idea that I have to be a party leader to be able to do something meaningful for Gambia is narrow minded. The leaders are bigger than their parties and can do bigger things for Gambia outside the party. |
Clean your house before pointing a finger ... Never be moved by delirious Well-wishers in their ecstasy |
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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
1382 Posts |
Posted - 07 Sep 2010 : 10:33:43
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The UDP folks are not supporting Darboe and UDP at all cost. We only insist that the conventional norms of coalition building be followed regardless of what anybody said. For us, anything unconventional, unheard of and lacking precedent is not worth given any consideration let alone being a subject of any intra-party negotiation. We will continue advocating this position regardless of what anybody says, and we have no apologies for it as it is a universally recognised and applicable principle.
Regards |
I do not oppose unity but I oppose dumb union. |
Edited by - Nyarikangbanna on 07 Sep 2010 12:44:52 |
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dbaldeh
USA
934 Posts |
Posted - 07 Sep 2010 : 23:50:41
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Brother Nyari, I would like to be more educated on what you mean by conventional norms. I think others will also benefit.
Doesn't conventional norms you may be refering to in fact dictate that if a single party leader is not able to lead a party that they give chance to others?
Doesn't the same conventional norms dictate that party leaders look beyond their individual party interest for the good of the nation?
On another note, since UDP folks are not supporting Darboe at all cost and brilliant as he may be it seems there is a deadlock on the parties ability to move beyond 2001 and 2006 elections...
Do you reasonably believe that the political exchanges you have been engage in takes your party any step closer to victory or even winning a single additional vote that was sitting on the side?
I honestly think you guys are doing a lot of disservice to the UDP party... It appears some of you are satisfied with discrediting the other side even if it means UDP losing?
The political position of the UDP UK is really questionable when it comes to the interest of the UDP. Inside sources within the UDP indicates that many are in disagreement with some of your positions and responses towards building a dialogue...
So as much as you may be sincere in your support for the party, some of your actions are counter productive and may be keeping a lot of people from supporting or even contributing towards your party...
Conventional norms dictate that you put the interest of your leadership and party first... I would suppose!!!
Anyway, I hope you reconsider some of your positions and give our country and opposition leaders a chance to see eye to eye!!!!!
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Baldeh,
"Be the change you want to see in the world" Ghandi
Visit http://www.gainako.com for your daily news and politics |
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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
1382 Posts |
Posted - 08 Sep 2010 : 11:40:19
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I do not need to explain what is meant by conventional norms. Just look around the world in which you live and see how coalitions are formed or look up in the dictionary for the word 'convention' and then connect the dots by yourself. You only exposed your utter insincerity when you pretend as if you've never heard of the word 'convention'.
UDP-UK will always advocate its position regardless of what you percieved as disservice to the UDP. Beside, you are not competent to advice us on anything relating to the UDP. We know far much better than you. I think when people like you come out to openly criticise us [UDP-UK], then that's good for us because it means we are on the right track. We know the people to listen to and those not to listen to.
I have no further comment to make and would no longer respond to you on this subject.
Regards |
I do not oppose unity but I oppose dumb union. |
Edited by - Nyarikangbanna on 08 Sep 2010 12:53:24 |
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dbaldeh
USA
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Posted - 08 Sep 2010 : 20:07:27
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This is absolutely the egoistic Nyarikang everyone knows. Your self righteousness is what is blinding you from the diversity of this world. You think you are always right and will not listen to anyone not even your own UDP party members.
You are probably the worst that can happen to the UDP because you are incompetent to deal with anything different from your perceive clan.
I am not and will never attempt to advice you. The last time I checked you are not UDP nor are you working on their interest.
In fact I don't know if you know but the UDP UK or whatever you call yourself is better of not listening to people like you.
You are divisive, boring and would make the worst politician not to speak of being a lawyer. Nyarikang is not capable of leading an organization and the sooner the UDP folks realize that the better.
I have a lot of respect for some of the folks in the UDP/UK group but how they allow your lone ideas to dominate their agenda is incomprehensible... I ask you these rhetorial questions since you pledge not to respond to my postings?
Why are you supporting the UDP?
Would you like to see them propell to power or not?
Why are you so ignorant of what the UDP needs to get them to where they need to be?
Do you think any of your personal divisive tactics benefits UDP in anyway?
What is there for the UDP if you cannot help them get close to winning an election?
The UDP party in general has some noble citizens who are worth commending for their efforts and sincerity. These includes Karamba Touray, Yahya Darboe, Ebrima Dibba, Abdou Karim Sanneh, Abdoulie Bojang and several others including their own leader Darboe who don't agree with your secular agenda.
Continue to peddle your pettiness and see where that will take you???? Its a shame to be so hateful!!! |
Baldeh,
"Be the change you want to see in the world" Ghandi
Visit http://www.gainako.com for your daily news and politics |
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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
1382 Posts |
Posted - 08 Sep 2010 : 23:40:16
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quote:
Originally posted by dbaldeh
This is absolutely the egoistic Nyarikang everyone knows. Your self righteousness is what is blinding you from the diversity of this world. You think you are always right and will not listen to anyone not even your own UDP party members.
You are probably the worst that can happen to the UDP because you are incompetent to deal with anything different from your perceive clan.
Thank you for your tirade. I am not bothered
Regards |
I do not oppose unity but I oppose dumb union. |
Edited by - Nyarikangbanna on 08 Sep 2010 23:44:29 |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 09 Sep 2010 : 09:49:38
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Thats what am telling you all out there! These people are competing to be cyber champions and living in their own world of; "we are more priviledge as UDP members than other Gambian citizens"...Insane and pathetic
dBaldeh NADD is ever relevant and there is a lot for clarification and to rely on for any further development to mobilise efforts against Jammeh/APRC!
Any party militant can support or advocate anything but to remind you that NO PARTY CAN "HOODWINK," BULLY OR DICTATE OTHER OPPOSITION PARTIES PARTY LEADERS SHOULD MAKE THEIR DECLARATIONS ON WHAT THEIR PARTIES WANT, POLICIES & PROPOSALS RESPECTIVELY; as Halifa/PDOIS are doing We haven't heard proper exchanges between UDP leaders and PDOIS but only cyber-war between few individuals
Will surely address the issues and some of my observations on UDP-UK rejoinder later! |
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dembis
Sweden
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Posted - 09 Sep 2010 : 11:57:30
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| dbaldeh! hope u doing good anyway. I´ve been following this topic long time but i always like to read or listened to other peoples oppinions. nyari is typical UDP supporter who will always betray gambians at the end. people like him are blind and cant understand the reality on the ground. Dont bother yourself so much on him just keep on the good work you are doing. We all at bantabaa are waiting to read the UDP agenda and party code of conduct. I will like to know whether UDP is representing the right wing or left wing party? I want to tell mr nyari that one pdois member is equals to 10 udps members and i dont mean to insult anyone. PDOIS is a complete politcal party and the party is bigger than Halifa sallah or any member.If it is time to negotiate or mediate the party will inform halifa about it and he am sure will respect that or step down simply.Pdois is not about position one held and is ready to defend it by all means. It is a idea that every one involved is ready to take the lead. That means every member is a leader and should prepare to lead when it necessary. Viva la Pdois. |
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Senegambia
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Posted - 09 Sep 2010 : 16:06:37
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| dbaldeh, do yourself a favor and read your postings over again and maybe you will remove them immediately as they only characterize a weak debater, who is neither here nor there, screaming too loud and saying too much. Too much more than necessary! There is a reason they say anger is a letter short for danger. Nyari is doing what he is suppose to do and he is doing it well and I respect that. In his own way, Kobo is representing another perspective and I respect that too. Opinionated individuals coming out strongly on issues and devoid of anger. Remember Moe(AWOL)? Remember your exchanges? You despised them so why repeat such now.. How sad to see people one holds in high esteem disappoints so much in so short a time. |
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shaka
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Posted - 09 Sep 2010 : 17:12:18
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quote:
Originally posted by Nyarikangbanna
The UDP folks are not supporting Darboe and UDP at all cost. We only insist that the conventional norms of coalition building be followed regardless of what anybody said. For us, anything unconventional, unheard of and lacking precedent is not worth given any consideration let alone being a subject of any intra-party negotiation. We will continue advocating this position regardless of what anybody says, and we have no apologies for it as it is a universally recognised and applicable principle.
Regards
In effect the UDP is a rigid and Talibanic structure that is not open to novelty or device. We knew that a along time ago, you need not re-echo that point over and over again. Your party leader pointed out to us moons ago that the UDP agricultural policy is "to plant more cashew and mango trees." You backward lot drink from the same well of mediocrity and primitive order. Who gives a toss about 'conventional politics'(whatever that bloody is)anyway. As if time and space is at a standstill. Where is your Taliban pal BTW? He's been mute for a while now. He probably is too busy beheading some Infidels out there. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 10 Sep 2010 : 09:55:08
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quote:
Originally posted by Senegambia
dbaldeh, do yourself a favor and read your postings over again and maybe you will remove them immediately as they only characterize a weak debater, who is neither here nor there, screaming too loud and saying too much. Too much more than necessary! There is a reason they say anger is a letter short for danger. Nyari is doing what he is suppose to do and he is doing it well and I respect that. In his own way, Kobo is representing another perspective and I respect that too. Opinionated individuals coming out strongly on issues and devoid of anger. Remember Moe(AWOL)? Remember your exchanges? You despised them so why repeat such now.. How sad to see people one holds in high esteem disappoints so much in so short a time.
Thanks for your intervention Senegambia. I am not opinionated but many of my post is trying to challenge the petty politics, set records straight, forward verifiable facts, counter the smearing campaign, distortions and mis-information peddled around!
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Edited by - kobo on 10 Sep 2010 09:57:06 |
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