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Janyanfara
Tanzania
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 Posted - 24 Aug 2010 : 00:16:29
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Brother kobo,
Am sory I have moved on. If you cannot understand what Darboe said about the events leading to his resignation from NADD some of which are crearly printed out before you, then I don't know what you are looking for scape goats,then find it some where not with Darboe.
Where on earth have you found three or more people coming to made a deal and one of those members came into that meeting only to be given a letter to sign.Who drafted that letter and why was the third party not aware of it?
You are informed that when Ousainou came to the meeting, he was given a document/oath to sign which OJ told him he too came to the meeting only to find that same document/oath and He OJ said has no knowledge about it.
Brother Kobo, who wrote that document/oath and why was it not a common consent on all parties that a document/oath was to be prepared that all members would sign?
Now would you guys read that statements below and leave us alone?
....The UDP delegation comprising me and my deputy Mr.Yahya Jallow went to that ceremony to sign the MOU on behalf of UDP and make a statement that is appropriate on such occasions. Before the commencement of the ceremony I was given a document virtually an oath declaring commitment.OJ told me he was seeing it for the first time and I was going to either walk out or refuse to sign the declaration.
..........This development to me showed insincerity and a lack of openness on the part of whoever might have drafted that declaration and brought it to the ceremony without consulting my party. Nonetheless UDP remain committed to the MOU
.....In fact I presented a scenario to them if the Independent Electoral Commission (IEC) were to invite me to a meeting as leader of UDP while I am also a member of NADD,a registered political party and an issue arises between UDP and NADD which one will I support. I continuously advised them against the registration of NADD as a political party. During one of the meetings when I came very hard in my arguments one of the party leaders walked out of the meeting called some people in the United States to say that Darboe and UDP are creating obstacles for us. And before we left the meeting it was on the Freedom Newspaper, and me and my party are being portrayed as anti-united opposition when infact the anti-united opposition are those who refused to accept the reality of the fact that the MOU signed did not call for the establishment of a new political party.
I should not tell you who made that call guess!
now with these facts what else do you expect?
Even at the signing of the MOU, sme leaders were relying of their mouth piece Pa ndery Mbye to fabricate lies and discredit UDP.why would leaders not for once be serious and get commited? Why would someone rely of a US based online media to fabricate stories? For pa also calling himself a journalist and not asking for Darboe's side of the story, went ahead lying for which he is truely known.
Who are we all affecting? The Gambian people who would continue to suffer under Jammeh.My brothers& sister, relatives and like yours and that of your master disgrace to gambian journalist pa ndery He too has families back home. Jammeh stays, we both pay the price!
Ramadan mubarak my brother
I don't wish to discuss on this perticular topic again. As for me it is closed till further notice! |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 24 Aug 2010 : 02:47:11
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Brother kobo,
Am sory I have moved on. If you cannot understand what Darboe said about the events leading to his resignation from NADD some of which are crearly printed out before you, then I don't know what you are looking for scape goats,then find it some where not with
Darboe.
YOU THE ONE WHO DOES NOT UNDERSTAND THE POINT FROM SATANGFARA' STATESMENTS I HAVE TO SUBSTANTIATE WHEN HE POSTED; "Coalitions or allaince must be done with rerads to size, if not what is the point doing it? It is crazy to even contemplate that. That stance was taken to appease the stiff standpoint of the PDOIS. But in normal cases, such is a backward move."  = FALSE, DECEITFUL, DISTORTIONS & SHEER CONTEMPT OF UDP LEADERSHIP ESPECIALLY WHAT LAWYER DARBOE STATED UNDER HIS 2009 INTERVIEW ALSO WHAT TRANSPIRED DURING 2006 WITH STGDP IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT WITH 2009; FOR IT TOOK 3YEARS TO HEAR MORE NEWS AND NEW ALLEGATIONS BETWEEN THE OPPOSITION PARTY LEADERS
Where on earth have you found three or more people coming to made a deal and one of those members came into that meeting only to be given a letter to sign.Who drafted that letter and why was the third party not aware of it?
You are informed that when Ousainou came to the meeting, he was given a document/oath to sign which OJ told him he too came to the meeting only to find that same document/oath and He OJ said has no knowledge about it.
Brother Kobo, who wrote that document/oath and why was it not a common consent on all parties that a document/oath was to be prepared that all members would sign?
Now would you guys read that statements below and leave us alone?
....The UDP delegation comprising me and my deputy Mr.Yahya Jallow went to that ceremony to sign the MOU on behalf of UDP and make a statement that is appropriate on such occasions. Before the commencement of the ceremony I was given a document virtually an oath declaring commitment.OJ told me he was seeing it for the first time and I was going to either walk out or refuse to sign the declaration.
..........This development to me showed insincerity and a lack of openness on the part of whoever might have drafted that declaration and brought it to the ceremony without consulting my party. Nonetheless UDP remain committed to the MOU
YOU SHOULD ADMIT THAT A MAN OF THE CALIBRE OF LAWYER DARBOE; A LEGAL EXPERT AND PARTY LEADER IS ACCOUNTABLE AND SHOULD TAKE FULL RESPONSIBILITY FOR ANY BLUNDER
MOST OF THE COMMENTS ARE LAWYER DARBOE'S OWN VERSION TO JUSTIFY REASONS FOR HIS RESIGNATION. IT REVEALED LOT OF ALLEGATIONS AGAINST EACH OTHER CONSIDER IT AS DARBOE'S SIDE OF THE STORY
HOWEVER THE MOST INTERESTING POINT FROM THESE STATEMENTS IS; "Nonetheless UDP remain committed to the MOU". IF UDP REMAIN COMMITTED TO THE MOU, THEN ITS PROVISIONS TAKES PRECEDENCE OVER ANY FORMALITIES, IMPORTANT MATTERS OR DECISIONS THAT SIGNATORIES CONSIDERS FOR EXECUTION SIGNING THE MOU IS A VERY IMPORTANT FORMAL COMMITMENT! ISN'T IT
.....In fact I presented a scenario to them if the Independent Electoral Commission (IEC) were to invite me to a meeting as leader of UDP while I am also a member of NADD,a registered political party and an issue arises between UDP and NADD which one will I support. I continuously advised them against the registration of NADD as a political party. During one of the meetings when I came very hard in my arguments one of the party leaders walked out of the meeting called some people in the United States to say that Darboe and UDP are creating obstacles for us. And before we left the meeting it was on the Freedom Newspaper, and me and my party are being portrayed as anti-united opposition when infact the anti-united opposition are those who refused to accept the reality of the fact that the MOU signed did not call for the establishment of a new political party.
LAWYER DARBOE AND CERTAIN UDP SUPPORTERS SHOULD RE-VISIT "A UNITED OPPOSITION", "A NATIONAL UNITY FOR COMMON GOAL" "UNITED UNDER ONE UMBRELLA & BANNER",WHY THE NEED FOR "MERGER UNDER THE GAMBIA CONSTITUTION; IF THEY ARE NOT "ANTI-UNITED OPPOSITION"
I should not tell you who made that call guess! now with these facts what else do you expect?
THAT STATEMENT IS IRRELEVANT! AM NOT INTERESTED IN ACCUSATIONS AND COUNTER ACCUSATIONS
Even at the signing of the MOU, some leaders were relying of their mouth piece Pa ndery Mbye to fabricate lies and discredit UDP.why would leaders not for once be serious and get commited? Why would someone rely of a US based online media to fabricate stories? For pa also calling himself a journalist and not asking for Darboe's side of the story, went ahead lying for which he is truely known.
IRRELEVANT STATEMENTS ALSO? DID WE HAVE A SIGNED MOU THAT INCLUDED UDP SIGNED FOR BY LAWYER DARBOE AS PARTY LEADER
Who are we all affecting? The Gambian people who would continue to suffer underJammeh.My brothers& sister, relatives and like yours and that of your master disgrace to gambian journalist pa ndery He too has families back home. Jammeh stays, we both pay the price!
UDP HAS THE TRUMP CARD TO DECLARE PROPER RESOLUTIONS ON HOW TO MOBILISED OR A CLEAR AGENDA 2011 PLEASE UDP STOP BLACKMAILING US ON ONLY TWO OPTIONS; "JAMMEH STAYS, PAY THE PRICE" OR "PARTY-LED COALITION UNDER DARBOE LEADERSHIP" STOP PAMPERING YOURSELVES AND SELFISHNESS WITH ONLY UDP COUNTS AS HEAVYWEIGHT & OTHERS ARE NOTHING IN THE POLITICAL ARENA ALL OPPOSITION PARTIES SHOULD COME TOGETHER AS A UNITED NATIONAL FRONT TO CHALLENGE JAMMEH IN OFFICE ! PDOIS HAS ALL THE CREDENTIALS AND WHAT IT TAKES TO BE PART OF ANY NATIONAL ARCHITECTS FOR POLITICAL CHANGE THAT CAN FORWARD THE GAMBIA OUR HOMELAND! UDP APPEAR TO BE AGENDALESS, DICTATORS, BULLIES AND "HOODWINKERS" (UDP-UK)
PLEASE RE-VISIT THIS COMMENT BY Yankuba Jabang, Editor & Publisher of Senegambia news.com;
"To me, and I suppose to many other ordinary Gambians, a 'coalition' of opposition political parties formed under the acronym, NADD, was to contest the 2006 elections in the Gambia. It's no surprise the need was borne out of our collective desire and the 'resolve' of our political leaders in the opposition camp, to rid the Gambia of Yahya Jammeh, the most brutal leader in Africa today."
ALSO DISCOURSE WITH HALIFA WHEN QUESTIONED;
1. "Could we say that heads of opposition parties are not committed to the idea of a united opposition front in the country?" ? HIS RESPONSE; " To form a united opposition cannot be seen as a principle. The principle is to build a genuine opposition which could bring about a genuine multiparty system and genuine change. The building of a United Opposition is a tactic under conditions of governance which does not create options for genuine multi party contest. For example if the procedure existed for a second round of voting in the absence of 50 percent majority opposition parties would go on their own to seek the mandate of the people so that each will know its weight if they wish to forge an alliance in the second round. In the absence of that a united opposition was the missed opportunity Gambia needed to bring about a genuine democratic environment for multi party contest. In my view those who are interested in change would be committed to the tactics but those who are not will always put their aspiration to occupy a post above the objectives of bringing about change to protect and promote the liberty, dignity and prosperity of the people."
2. "Is it correct that there is insincerity among heads of opposition leaders? "
HALIFA RESPONDED "No one has any grounds to accuse any one of insincerity. The Leader of the NDAM and the Interim Secretary General of the PPP were part of the UDP Alliance in 2001 and things fell apart after the elections. The NRP had even taken over the blue colour of the PPP when it was banned in 1996. Hence the animosities were already there. Each had an interest to pursue. Just like constitutions protect people with diverse interest NADD created principles, procedures and institutions which could foster unity been diversity. We contested elections and won them irrespective of the antagonistic contradictions between some of the leaders. Each just behaved as expected. Those who felt disappointed are those who expected more than what NADD was worth. Neither PDOIS nor my humble self regrets being part of NADD. We were constantly accused of putting ideological purity over the need to unite to bring about change in the Gambia.
We sacrificed everything to prove our critics wrong. Now we can move about with a clear conscience. I proposed a party led alliance to be formed six months before the 2006 Presidential election which is in line with the Agenda of the UDP but none of the parties endorsed it. We also agreed to hold a primary incase of an impasse none of the parties proposed to have it. There is need for each to draw vital lessons and move away from passing moral judgments. As the old saying goes those who live in glass houses should not throw stones."
3. "Why would anybody think that if Hamat Bah or Lawyer Darboe is voted in would lead to a self perpetuating government? "
HALIFA RESPONDED; "No one should accuse them before they assume the office. What is not helpful is the UDP leader’s comment that the Gambia does not have a history of self perpetuating rule. I don’t know why he signed the memorandum of understanding of NADD which states in article 2 that” The goal of the alliance is to put an end to self-perpetuating rule, ensure the empowerment of the people so that they can participate in sustainable development” NADD promised to put an end to the history of self perpetuating rule by limiting the term of the flag bearer to one so that a level ground would be created for multiparty contest."
4. "Do you know that Gambians are of the view that the ultimate decision to select any Presidential candidate is theirs?"
HALIFA RESPONDED; "Since I stepped foot on my home land over 30 years ago I have been working to ensure that the sovereign Gambian people do know that it is their sovereign right and authority to determine which person becomes their Presidential candidate and office holder among other positions of representation. I am sure many Gambians are fully aware of their sovereign powers to determine their manner of government and to criticize, scrutinize and restrain their leaders. Unfortunately there are many others who still submit to intimidation, inducement and prejudices based on blood ties, place of origin, gender, tribe and other status. Our duty is to open their eyes and all of us will become free and prosperous. In fact, I am now calling for the Alliance of the people as the starting point for ensuring alliance among the political elite. People have crticised NADD for being a closet agreement which we are now trying to explain to the people. Agenda 2011 aims to start the debate about unity from the level of the people. All political forces and parties in the country should explain what type of Unity they stand for and how it could be put into effect. The people would then be able to determine what is realistic and what is not."
5. "Finally is there any need for opposition parties to come together as a united front?"
HALIFA RESPONDED; "The UDP has made its position very clear. It sees itself as the major opposition party and that all other parties should embrace its leader as the flag bearer. My position is that they should go to the people and promote that form of Alliance.They should not make the mistake of the past by advocating for what they do not believe in. I still maintain that NADD served UDP more than any party in the Alliance. In short, by the time we sat to form an Alliance UDP had boycotted the National Assembly elections and had promised never to participate in elections until its conditions were met. How would UDP have come back into the electoral process and not lose face, without the opposition front we formed? It is the opposition coalition which enabled Kemeseng to gain the Jarra seat. He lost the seat when he went back to the UDP. This should be food for thought. As far as I am concerned I am going on to put my proposal to the people. I would want a neutral nation builder to emerge, a man or woman who would accept to run a transition government of between 2 to five years and then preside over a free and fair elections that would give Gambia a good democratic start, for governments to emerge which will only serve for no more than two terms and then give way to others to serve. I hope all party leaders would eventually endorse this and then be among the council of wise men and women who will select the only candidate who will stand against President Jammeh.I will keep the media informed of my grassroot consultation with the people. This time no party will stand between me and the people. This is the last but one service I want to do for the Gambian people, especially the future generation."
AS WE ARE MOVING TOWARDS 2011 IS UDP AWARE THAT STATUS QUO IS SAME OR EVEN GETTING WORST FOR THEM THAN PREVIOUS GENERAL ELECTIONS; PARTICULARLY 2006 IN TERMS OF OPPORTUNITIES AND STRATEGIES TO GET RID OF JAMMEH
Ramadan mubarak my brother
I don't wish to discuss on this perticular topic again. As for me it is closed till further notice!
I HAVEN'T REVIEWED MOST OF YOUR STATEMENTS OR ANSWERED ALL YOUR QUESTIONS YET AND HOPE YOU WILL FOLLOW THEM LATER!
FOR YOUR INTERLUDE ENJOY LATEST STGDP PRESS RELEASE? A carnival kind of tour being plan for opposition parties in the spirit of working together; Freedom online news Gambia: Diaspora Gambians Want To See An Opposition Dialogue With The People Tour! under http://www.freedomnewspaper.com/Homepage/tabid/36/mid/367/newsid367/5530/Gambia-Diaspora-Gambians-Want-To-See-An-Opposition-Dialogue-With-The-People-Tour--/Default.aspx
ALSO GAINAKO NEWS REPORTS STGDP Invites Gambian Opposition Parties to a Meet the People Tour! under http://www.gainako.com/news/news/2010/08/23/stgdp-invites-gambian-opposition-parties-to-a-meet-the-people-tour.html |
Edited by - kobo on 24 Aug 2010 17:45:53 |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 24 Aug 2010 : 07:55:41
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"Brother Kobo, who wrote that document/oath and why was it not a common consent on all parties that a document/oath was to be prepared that all members would sign?" Said Janyafara.
The questions is: Why did Darboe signed it then if he didn't consent? Why is he now blaming others now? O.J. told me this, O.J. told me that, it is all hearsay. It was the same O.J. who was embrolied in a power struggle with Darboe over NADD leadership that precipitated Darboe's resignation |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 24 Aug 2010 : 17:29:24
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Originally posted by kayjatta
"Brother Kobo, who wrote that document/oath and why was it not a common consent on all parties that a document/oath was to be prepared that all members would sign?" Said Janyafara.
The questions is: Why did Darboe signed it then if he didn't consent? Why is he now blaming others now? O.J. told me this, O.J. told me that, it is all hearsay. It was the same O.J. who was embrolied in a power struggle with Darboe over NADD leadership that precipitated Darboe's resignation
"Brother Kobo, who wrote that document/oath and why was it not a common consent on all parties that a document/oath was to be prepared that all members would sign?" Said Janyafara.
Kayjatta am not aware of who wrote the MOU or that "document/oat" according to UDP/Lawyer Darboe! However these statements from Halifa hinted (they are being accused of somethings); "We were constantly accused of putting ideological purity over the need to unite to bring about change in the Gambia." HALIFA SALLAH/PDOIS
I also think that Halifa became Interim Coordinator and covered certain formal assignments and formalities for NADD!
"The questions is: Why did Darboe signed it then if he didn't consent? Why is he now blaming others now? O.J. told me this, O.J. told me that, it is all hearsay. It was the same O.J. who was embrolied in a power struggle with Darboe over NADD leadership that precipitated Darboe's resignation."
IT IS INTERESTING TO OBSERVE AT THIS PART OF LAWYER DARBOE'S/UDP LEADER INTERVIEW UDP DID NOT OPENLY ACCUSED HALIFA/PDOIS HERE! OTHERS ARE BEING USE AS THE SCAPEGOATS AND NOT HALIFA/PDOIS
PLEASE READ HALIFA'S VERSION WHEN QUESTION; "Why was it a mistake to withdraw your nomination as NADD candidate and later come for it? "
HALIFA RESPONDED " The UDP leader caused great confusion by making reference to the first attempt to select a Presidential Candidate without giving an accurate picture of what happened. He mentioned that in the first instance my nomination was withdrawn but introduced later by Sam Sarr on the grounds that the first withdrawal was a mistake. A big debate unfolded among the executive as to what should be done after the successful launching of NADD. Some proposed that the launching should take place in every division to enable the members of the different parties to work together as NADD members. Others felt that we should proceed with the selection of a presidential candidate before popularizing the NADD agenda. Eventually, it was agreed that a date should be agreed to do the selection.
On the day of the selection, a delegate of the NRP and another from NDAM nominated and seconded the candidature of OJ. The UDP delegate nominated the UDP leader. Sidia Jatta and Amie Sillah who represented PDOIS nominated and seconded Halifa Sallah’s candidature. I was surprise and requested to speak to Sidia Jatta privately. Sidia told me that their proposal was for a criteria to be drawn for selection and if that fails they should resort to a primary. He indicated that the two of them had to make a quick decision to select me so that they PDOIS would not be seen to lack a choice since delegates were making choices without criteria. We both recalled article 8 which indicated that the executive could only select someone on the basis of unanimity. Otherwise we should go to a primary. Since more than one person was already nominated it was clear that there was an impasse.
Advancing my name was a futile exercise. Sidia therefore withdrew my nomination. The executive decided to adjourn and meet again to see whether the impasse could be overcome. At that meeting Sam replaced Amie Sillah. I do not recall him saying that it was a mistake to withdraw my candidature. You may talk to him for further clarification. I remember the arguments he gave regarding the establishment of the criteria to guide the selection and the Chairman insisting that if he has a nomination to make he should do so. Sam did say that he was putting Halifa Sallah nomination forward again. I think the action was more a sign of protest so that the executive will work on some criteria rather than just making conflicting nominations which could lead us nowhere. All the nominations were eventually set aside and a committee was set up to work on a criteria for selection. This was the outcome of the first debate for selection of a Presidential Candidate. Up to that point no executive member had proposed for a primary. " |
Edited by - kobo on 24 Aug 2010 17:37:16 |
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Senegambia
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Posted - 24 Aug 2010 : 18:27:21
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| Y'all talking about same sh-it all year round! Darboe this UDP that, PDOIS this OJ that. If this is the only topic that occupies your heads and disturb your sleeps then I have this to tell you all: GO SEE A SHRINK AND GET A LIFE! Luckily you are not the ones to make that coalition happen and you all irrelevant anyway even to the party you be fighting for! The question for any sober person should not be about what party that should lead but how should that happen. What, you all telling me that size don't matter? The How Questions will naturally lead to diverse ideas: some genuine and smart, some practical, some confusing and alien to mankind, some outright dumb! But that’s democracy and that’s what we are seeking. However it must be based on respect. We must be prepared to acknowledge what others have and that we lack! The sooner our opposition leaders start acknowledging, the faster their reconciliation.. I suggest you guys quit this monotonous and tiring thread of who is to blame and focus on what needs to be done with the short time and limited resources available to the opposition. |
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Janko
Gambia
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Posted - 25 Aug 2010 : 01:57:54
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Senegambia,
you said it all, it seems as the closer one gets to the "spade" the less spade it becomes. 99.9%of what is being said here has been said a millions times before. It is now clear that the monotony is a sign of hopelessness. Oh HOPE, where are you? |
Clean your house before pointing a finger ... Never be moved by delirious Well-wishers in their ecstasy |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 26 Aug 2010 : 00:28:29
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Originally posted by Senegambia
Y'all talking about same sh-it all year round! Darboe this UDP that, PDOIS this OJ that. If this is the only topic that occupies your heads and disturb your sleeps then I have this to tell you all: GO SEE A SHRINK AND GET A LIFE! Luckily you are not the ones to make that coalition happen and you all irrelevant anyway even to the party you be fighting for! The question for any sober person should not be about what party that should lead but how should that happen. What, you all telling me that size don't matter? The How Questions will naturally lead to diverse ideas: some genuine and smart, some practical, some confusing and alien to mankind, some outright dumb! But that’s democracy and that’s what we are seeking. However it must be based on respect. We must be prepared to acknowledge what others have and that we lack! The sooner our opposition leaders start acknowledging, the faster their reconciliation.. I suggest you guys quit this monotonous and tiring thread of who is to blame and focus on what needs to be done with the short time and limited resources available to the opposition.
JUST HIGHLIGHTING AND ACKNOWLEDGING TWO POSITIVE AND CONSTRUCTIVE CRITISMS ABOVE!
I WOULDN'T COMPROMISE ANY DISTORTION OF FACTS ON NADD DEBACLE, SLANDER & SMEARING CAMPAIGN AGAINST PDOIS/HALIFA. I HEREBY PUT MY PROXY ON THE WAY FORWARD AND FOR A UNITED NATIONAL FRONT FOR ALL OPPOSITION PARTIES & TO FORWARD THE GAMBIA OUR HOMELAND!
STILL HAVE FURTHER COMMENTS TO FORWARD ON THIS TOPIC! |
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