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kayjatta
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 Posted - 16 Aug 2010 : 08:03:02
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http://www.freedomnewspaper.com/Homepage/tabid/36/mid/367/newsid367/5506/Gambia-PDOIS-Reacts-To-UDPUK-Statement/Default.aspx
TAKE NOTE, UDP...!!!
THIS BELOW ARE EXERPTS FROM HALIFA SALLAH'S RESPONSE FROM THE LINK ABOVE:
1. “…appoint an Independent legal practitioner to whom the
relevant documents would be forwarded for review and pronouncement of an independent opinion whether the parties had agreed for candidates to contest under NADD or not and for NADD to be registered or not. PDOIS would want this opinion to be made public by the Independent legal practitioner and would concede for such opinion to be final on this matter. This will confirm whether some executive members were either ignorant of the content of the parent document they have signed as well as the supplementary processes they have endorsed, which are all sealed in black and white or are being deliberately misrepresented by a political constituency that is ill informed of what transpired, while they the leaders turn their back.”
2. “Without joining the debate, allow me to say that NADD was a highly structured Alliance with an executive committee comprising two members of each member party. Decision was based on the principle of Unanimity which means that each executive member had veto power. The relevant portion reads:
‘‘Decision making at all levels of the committees of the alliance shall be based on the principle of unanimity provided that matters of procedure shall be determined on the basis of simple majority of the delegates present and voting. In the event of the need to break an impasse the delegates may agree unanimously to make a decision by consensus””
3. “The coordinator had no voting powers. He had neither an original nor a casting vote in case of an equality of votes. He could neither reject nor impose a decision on the executive. Quorum required the presence of the representative of each party.”
“The fact of the matter is that when the executive decided to submit the documents to register NADD, Halifa was in South Africa attending a meeting of the Pan African Parliament. If this is incorrect a member of the executive should have an interview with the media to prove us wrong.”
4. “In fact, Halifa raised certain objections on the unfinished businesses prior to registration and told the Executive…”
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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
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Posted - 16 Aug 2010 : 11:02:24
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I think PDOIS has made a big mistake to think that they can somehow bully us with their sheer arrogance and deceptive tendencies. The Executive Committee of the UDP-UK will be meeting soon and shall consider a fitting response to this yet another PDOIS tirade.
Regards
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kayjatta
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Posted - 16 Aug 2010 : 11:15:32
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Executive meeting, what is that? Can't you just spew another outrageous response just by sitting in your 'armchair' in London? Come on hurry up then UDP, we are waiting!!! We are only giving you 72 hours to come back here with your documents of prove. By the grace of God, facts will prevail over fiction!!!
Oh sorry, are we bullying again? |
Edited by - kayjatta on 16 Aug 2010 11:30:25 |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 16 Aug 2010 : 12:39:44
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| KAY again has hit the nail on the head, "Come on hurry up then UDP, we are waiting!!!" do something very soon as you have doubtless observed you are losing creditability very fast,the tap is running and soon the tank will be empty. |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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kayjatta
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Posted - 16 Aug 2010 : 12:42:41
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| Exactly Toubab, this tank has been running for quite a while.... |
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terangba
Egypt
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Posted - 16 Aug 2010 : 15:44:10
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I think the Senegambia News editorial said it best "However, since the disastrous collapse of NADD before it could even contest the elections, supporters of the two major parties in NADD; the UDP and PDOIS, have been at each other's throat, and frankly speaking, the exchanges are some times irrelevant and nonsensical. We believe it must stop if both camps have the country at heart." Senegambia News
Both PDOIS and UDP supporters are wasting time and energy on an irrelevant issue. Move on! Due to self-interest both parties have failed to see that it is through unity that they can defeat APRC.
Gambia’s do not have a choice; left without a credible option Gambians will vote APRC.
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God gave men dominion over the beasts and not over his fellow men unless they submit of their own free will. - Napoleon |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 16 Aug 2010 : 16:13:21
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Its not about moving on but setting the records straight NADD REPRESENTED A UNITED NATIONAL FRONT FOR SAVE THE GAMBIA DEMOCRACY PROJECT
P.D.O.I.S WILL NEVER RELENT ON THE STRATEGIC DECISION TO UNITE UNDER NADD MOU
LATELY WE CAME ACCROSS THESE STATEMENTS UNDER QUOTE BELOW, FROM P.D.O.I.S WITHOUT ANY REACTION FROM THE CORE U.D.P EXECUTIVE;
"PDOIS wrote to UDP before its Congress to indicate to them that the party was waiting for the resolution of the UDP Congress on inter party unity in order to know what form of Alliance could be forged for 2011."
THESE LEGAL ISSUES AND STRATEGIC DECISIONS ARE NOT FOR NEWLY CONSTITUTED UDP -UK TO ADDRESSED BUT LAWYER DARBOE AND U.D.P SHOULD FACE P.D.O.I.S CHALLENGE
QUOTES EXTRACTED FROM P.D.O.I.S PRESS RELEASE;
1. "Let’s draw lessons from NADD and move on to address the current demands for democratic change the Central Committee of PDOIS has reviewed the content of the debate surrounding the Press Release No.3/ 2010 issued by PDOIS.
It took note of the fact that no political party which was or is associated with NADD had issued a Press Release to rebut the position advanced in the Press Release."
2. "We hope the UDP leadership will step in to guide their membership in the Diaspora who are compelling us to divert attention from the APRC to focus on another opposition party. This is counterproductive. " |
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terangba
Egypt
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Posted - 16 Aug 2010 : 18:25:52
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Some one please help me!
It is clear to all and sundry that as the major Party UDP will not step aside and let someone from a minor party lead a coalition. It seems that PDOIS wants a primary style of electing a leader.
If this is an accurate assessment of the impasse then as educated people who have the interest of the country at heart we should be looking at working toward an agreement not arguing about what happened five years ago.
Will UDP agree to primary style of electing a leader?
If UDP says hell no to a primary style of electing a leader will PDOIS ever agree to a party lead coalition?
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God gave men dominion over the beasts and not over his fellow men unless they submit of their own free will. - Napoleon |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 16 Aug 2010 : 18:37:11
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Answers,(my own opinion obviously  )
Will UDP agree to primary style of electing a leader? NO
If UDP says hell no to a primary style of electing a leader will PDOIS ever agree to a party lead coalition? NO
In a nutshell,anything else ?
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Prince
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Posted - 16 Aug 2010 : 19:03:46
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quote:
Originally posted by terangba
I think the Senegambia News editorial said it best "However, since the disastrous collapse of NADD before it could even contest the elections, supporters of the two major parties in NADD; the UDP and PDOIS, have been at each other's throat, and frankly speaking, the exchanges are some times irrelevant and nonsensical. We believe it must stop if both camps have the country at heart." Senegambia News
Both PDOIS and UDP supporters are wasting time and energy on an irrelevant issue. Move on! Due to self-interest both parties have failed to see that it is through unity that they can defeat APRC.
Gambia’s do not have a choice; left without a credible option Gambians will vote APRC.
Spot on Terangba, these petty girlie squabbles are of no relevance whatsoever to the Gambian people. Probably, it was a blessing in disguise that their "coalition" or whatever they called it, did not work. They could have easily wasted a five-year term wrangling about issues of no relevance to the average man on the street.
Let them keep wasting energy over spilled milk... |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 16 Aug 2010 : 19:44:10
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| So, if coalition parties are not able to manage a party that would be alternative to Jammeh, why people have confidence in them to lead the nation. Or are you saying anything is better than Jammeh? That would be the biggest mistake. Let us say, they got 50.01 percent vote and jammeh got 49.09. Is 50.01 is greater than 49.09? I don't think so. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 17 Aug 2010 : 01:15:52
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quote:
Originally posted by terangba
Some one please help me!
It is clear to all and sundry that as the major Party UDP will not step aside and let someone from a minor party lead a coalition. It seems that PDOIS wants a primary style of electing a leader.
If this is an accurate assessment of the impasse then as educated people who have the interest of the country at heart we should be looking at working toward an agreement not arguing about what happened five years ago.
Will UDP agree to primary style of electing a leader?
If UDP says hell no to a primary style of electing a leader will PDOIS ever agree to a party lead coalition?
TO SET THE RECORDS STRAIGHT I HEREBY DECLARE THAT TO THE BEST OF OUR KNOWLEDGE U.D.P NEVER CLAIMED OR DEMANDED A PARTY LEAD COALITION WHEN N.A.D.D WAS BEING ESTABLISHED OR CONSTITUTED! ANYONE WHO DOUBT THIS DECLARATION CAN SHOW US THE PROOF
DEFINITELY N.A.D.D QUALIFIED AS A PROPERLY CONSTITUTED COALITION!
THIS APPEARS TO BE A VERY GOOD COMMENT TO ILLUSTRATE CERTAIN POINTS BY Yankuba Jabang, Editor & Publisher of Senegambia news.com; "To me, and I suppose to many other ordinary Gambians, a 'coalition' of opposition political parties formed under the acronym, NADD, was to contest the 2006 elections in the Gambia. It's no surprise the need was borne out of our collective desire and the 'resolve' of our political leaders in the opposition camp, to rid the Gambia of Yahya Jammeh, the most brutal leader in Africa today."
DICTIONARY MEANINGS FOR COALITION:-
1. An alliance or union between groups, factions, or parties, esp for some temporary and specific reason; for example a coalition government"
2. "The coalition government is a fusion or merging into one body or mass for common good"
3. "An alliance of political groups formed to oppose a common foe or pursue a common goal."
4. Note: " In countries with many political parties, none of which can get a majority of the citizens' votes, the only way an effective government can be formed is by a coalition of parties. Such coalitions are often unstable."
5. Alliance is a synomym with coalition and inter-changeable!
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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
1382 Posts |
Posted - 17 Aug 2010 : 10:58:04
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Suwaibou’s Statement Exposes Halifa’s Double Standards
Mr. Editor,
Please allow me space to respond to the public notice issued by Halifa Sallah’s senior disciple, Suwaibou Touray, on behalf of PDOIS. In it, he remarked the following;
"We hope the UDP leadership will step in to guide their membership in the Diaspora who are compelling us to divert attention from the APRC to focus on another opposition party. This is counterproductive."
I have no doubt that anyone who had been following the online media in the past years and months would agree with that this statement is definitely misplaced. It is misplaced for the simple fact that the only political leader who has been hell-bent on beating a dead horse over the NADD debacle is Halifa Sallah. It was Halifa Sallah who, a couple of months ago, was all over the place maligning and blaming every Tom, Dick and Harry for the disintegration of NADD thereby doing exactly what Suwaibou is accusing UDP/UK of. Therefore, if there is anybody who ought to be guided, it is Suwaibou’s own boss, Halifa. No other political leader has been wasting his precious time attacking PDOIS, which is understandable because they do not want to be seen picking up squabbles with a bunch of political light weights.
As an executive member of UDP/UK, I dismiss Suwaibou’s misplaced statement as cheap propaganda that has no chance of flying across the face of commonsense. If he is not aware of Halifa’s endless attacks on other opposition leaders and entities, he should be advised to begin inculcating a culture of independent thinking in himself, and investigate the facts from an objective standpoint rather than twisting them and spreading unfounded allegations against UDP/UK.
Unlike the PDOIS leadership who regards their Diaspora associates as a pack of ignoramuses, the UDP recognises the wisdom and intellect that exists within its Diaspora outfit and does not in any way seek to indoctrinate us on values, and we certainly do not have a communist manual to abide by.
The Executive Committee of UDP/UK will be meeting soon and shall consider an appropriate response to this recent PDOIS public statement.
Thank you.
Suntou Touray
Coordinator
UDP/UK
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Edited by - Nyarikangbanna on 17 Aug 2010 10:59:40 |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 17 Aug 2010 : 11:42:17
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Santanfara and or Nyarikangbanna, with all due respect; in our attempts to separate facts from fiction we still challenge you to :
1. Provide the original paper where Halifa Sallah "blamed" anyone for the breakup of NADD. All of Halifa's comments and responses have been clarifications following accusations by the mainland UDP or its Diaspora. The recent UDP accusations started at their recent congress where both Darboe and Hamat Bah swiped at PDOIS, which prompted Halifa's response and clarification.
2. Provide prove that PDOIS has a "communist manual to abide by" as you implied.
Furthermore, I do not want to speak for Suwaibou Touray. However, I would like to say that PDOIS stands for the absolute liberation of the human mind. Therefore, there is no party in the Gambia, today and the past, that encourages original independent thinking and knowledge than PDOIS. That is why members of PDOIS asserts undisputed mastery of knowledge and wisdom over their peers at all times. They might be a "political lightweight", but they are the greatest authority and voice in Gambian politics today. I have said this here before: all the rest are a combustible mixture of sentiment and crowd. They will dissipate sooner than later like those before them-PPP, NCP, GPP, GDP,...
This intellectual superiority and undisputed authority that Halifa (and colleagues) exhibits is the source of all the UDP and NRP's hatredfor him. Yet all of their so-called lawyers and PhDs signed MOUs and other documents to form and register NADD without understanding. Please go ahead and appoint an independent counsel so that Halifa can turn these documents over to you, like he promised in public, for you to see yourself.
Besides, I seriously doubt how competent UDP/Uk is to issue press releases on behalf of the mainland UDP with regards to matters you have no first hand information about. Just out of curiousity:
1. How competent are you on this matter in discussion?
2. What is your source of authority?
I suggest you guys forget about a response right now. You should instead focus on appointing a legal and political adviser to review documents leading to the formation and registration of NADD. That is the only way you can make informed opinions and decisions instead of mudslinging...Nonetheless, we are still waiting for your response and press release! |
Edited by - kayjatta on 17 Aug 2010 11:51:02 |
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Santanfara
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Posted - 17 Aug 2010 : 12:46:41
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Kay, what has stop them using an independent legal adviser since 2006? so to hell with that pronoucement. They have nothing else to say. Who fear their using an independent legal adviser? I thought the buhabas are independent legal brains themselves. Jack of all trade more like.
Let them publish whatever is under their sleeve. There was nothing secret in the NADD, just arrogance from the coordinator who was meant to pull parties together.
Kay the answer to their threat is, let them float whatever they have. There bereau will become too small for them. who do this people think they are? they cannot lie and expect people to accept it without debunkin it. I felt sorry for Suwaibou. Where was he when Halifa was sending us
to boredom with NADD this Nadd that? How then can he come and try to issue a fleming communist instructions. Halifa should have known, he cannot continue to be allowed to deceive readers unchallenge. Let them reease whatever they think they have. They are the legal advisers,politicians and jornalist and oh everything.
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Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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Santanfara
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Posted - 17 Aug 2010 : 12:58:31
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quote:
Originally posted by kayjatta
Santanfara and or Nyarikangbanna, with all due respect; in our attempts to separate facts from fiction we still challenge you to :
1. Provide the original paper where Halifa Sallah "blamed" anyone for the breakup of NADD. All of Halifa's comments and responses have been clarifications following accusations by the mainland UDP or its Diaspora. The recent UDP accusations started at their recent congress where both Darboe and Hamat Bah swiped at PDOIS, which prompted Halifa's response and clarification.
2. Provide prove that PDOIS has a "communist manual to abide by" as you implied.
Furthermore, I do not want to speak for Suwaibou Touray. However, I would like to say that PDOIS stands for the absolute liberation of the human mind. Therefore, there is no party in the Gambia, today and the past, that encourages original independent thinking and knowledge than PDOIS. That is why members of PDOIS asserts undisputed mastery of knowledge and wisdom over their peers at all times. They might be a "political lightweight", but they are the greatest authority and voice in Gambian politics today. I have said this here before: all the rest are a combustible mixture of sentiment and crowd. They will dissipate sooner than later like those before them-PPP, NCP, GPP, GDP,...
This intellectual superiority and undisputed authority that Halifa (and colleagues) exhibits is the source of all the UDP and NRP's hatredfor him. Yet all of their so-called lawyers and PhDs signed MOUs and other documents to form and register NADD without understanding. Please go ahead and appoint an independent counsel so that Halifa can turn these documents over to you, like he promised in public, for you to see yourself.
Besides, I seriously doubt how competent UDP/Uk is to issue press releases on behalf of the mainland UDP with regards to matters you have no first hand information about. Just out of curiousity:
1. How competent are you on this matter in discussion?
2. What is your source of authority?
I suggest you guys forget about a response right now. You should instead focus on appointing a legal and political adviser to review documents leading to the formation and registration of NADD. That is the only way you can make informed opinions and decisions instead of mudslinging...Nonetheless, we are still waiting for your response and press release!
he may have been clarifying for you. To the rest of right thinking Gambians, he was misinforming. A 3% party trying to pretend to people that, they are more stronger than they atucally are.
Did you hear NRP making noice over NADD?
This shows you that, Halifa thought that, his frequent media propaganda public relation will go unchallenged. hell no. Let Suwaiboou go back to his desk job of look for news for foroyaa,and it will do him if he can add visiting relative at the same time.
Kay, i agree, you will awlays swallow all the stuffs coming out the bereau, but remember, NADD debacle is not ancient history. So let Halifa/Suwaibou relaises that, they cannot threaten anyone or hijack the public relation fight. Whatever they want, let them do it.
Call the U.N general assembly and protest their 3% innosence, or even the AU. We careless. What we want is, let this unimportant issue go away. How can Suwaibou hypocritically be telling us, he want to focus of the APRC when his boss is wasting our newspaer space with twisted narratives?
We will continue to put Halifas socall facts in perspectives, should that give him heart attack, well that is not our intentions.
Let him get use to being challenge on issues of national importance. He is not my fact gatherer, neither do i need his view point over NADD. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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