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kondorong
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 Posted - 17 May 2006 : 22:25:56
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I had guessed so. Your interest i believe is in afrocentric issues. 
On a different note, why do you think there are few Rastafarians in Addis Ababa. I visited the country twice but saw only a handful. |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 17 May 2006 : 22:38:11
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| May be the above question should be moved. It seems to be digressing |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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dbaldeh
USA
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Posted - 17 May 2006 : 22:42:12
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We are definitely not at the stage of reconciliation. Unless a new government takes over and ready to rectify the past and present attrocities being committed daily, one cannot talk about reconciliation. Who are you reconciling with? when you deliberately continue to maim and commit the same crimes.
Reconciliation is only meaninful when it is genuine and from the soule not out of fear of retalliation. This government will drag its feet until it collapses or defeated by its own injustices. Other than that, there is no hope whatsoever. There is nothing wrong with dreaming, but it is not foreseeable.
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Baldeh,
"Be the change you want to see in the world" Ghandi
Visit http://www.gainako.com for your daily news and politics |
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royale
Gambia
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Posted - 18 May 2006 : 12:00:26
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the world is full of suprises, Pride is something that is completely lost in Gambia now. I thought Lie Conteh was released without charge and that his court case was about something else he'd been accused of.
How predictable. the evil that man does lives after them. Junkung's day will surely come and he will pay a bitter price indeed |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 18 May 2006 : 12:04:35
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| Elections 2006 is coming and they want to used him at the Kombos again for business of manipulations as usual. Thats why they recalled Yanks! |
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royale
Gambia
25 Posts |
Posted - 18 May 2006 : 12:10:37
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| aha! right on kobo |
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
1275 Posts |
Posted - 18 May 2006 : 16:14:38
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KOBO& ROYALE ,
You couldn't have been more explicit. You may have noticed my absence from bantaba since the kombo-east by-elections. I am totally dumb-founded.Gambians have chosen the path of hardship and uncertainty for themselves. The electorates are not blame entirely but the whole opposition for SELFISHNESS, IMMATURITY and ARROGANCE. The results spoke volumes for those who have eyes and those whose hearts are not sick.
If they (the opposition) have The Gambia and Gambians at heart they will put aside their difference and fight on the same front.
For Lie Conteh, lets not condemn him too soon. Friends and some family may have put him under pressure to surrender. Lie is not a coward for sure. He maybe doing his family favour by answering to their pleas.
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 18 May 2006 : 16:29:22
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Originally posted by MADIBA
KOBO& ROYALE ,
You couldn't have been more explicit. You may have noticed my absence from bantaba since the kombo-east by-elections. I am totally dumb-founded.Gambians have chosen the path of hardship and uncertainty for themselves. The electorates are not blame entirely but the whole opposition for SELFISHNESS, IMMATURITY and ARROGANCE. The results spoke volumes for those who have eyes and those whose hearts are not sick.
If they (the opposition) have The Gambia and Gambians at heart they will put aside their difference and fight on the same front.
For Lie Conteh, lets not condemn him too soon. Friends and some family may have put him under pressure to surrender. Lie is not a coward for sure. He maybe doing his family favour by answering to their pleas.
The election or the opposition loosing is a forgone conclusion and this new topic is about Lie Conteh's action.
You used the word SELFISH above. My question is when your friends and family put your under pressure to react for personal reasons, don't you agree its part of SELFISHNESS and GREED Madiba?
Who are those going to enjoy the cream later? |
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bamba
Sweden
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Posted - 18 May 2006 : 17:04:49
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If Lie Conteh had very strong family ties where decisions are made collectively, he's forced to abide by them. People shouldnt pass judgements on others from their own circumstances. People operate under different circumstances and that should be reckoned with. I find people passing judgements at random very tasteless. It's despotic and I loathe it, I have a rancour for it.
Lie's wife is a lawyer, isnt she? Maybe the wife doesnt want lie, the husband, to be buried in a latrine. Lie may be forced to selflessly think of her family. However, if lie is to pick up any other job in Yaya's regime, it has to be a job that will keep him at ease with Junkung.
Am beginning to be very apprehensive as to future of Halifa and Sidia, the right politicians Gambia needs right now.
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 18 May 2006 : 17:13:09
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| Madiba, Bob said " a hungry man is an angry man" and am looking forward to hear your reactions to my question. Am hungry for your response to my question. |
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
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Posted - 18 May 2006 : 17:28:24
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Please KOBO don't be angry get hungry anyway the situation warrants it.
Anyway the SELFISHNESS I MEAN FOR the OPPOSITION is that of THE DESIRE TO LEAD AND NOT ALLOW OTHERS TO LEAD BY POPULAR DEMAND.
The reluctance of others to unite under one banner call it NADD,
Freegambia, xyz anything. Let them unite to evict the APRC. That's the primary goal then later go to secondary stage of the Post APRC.
Simple as that. The NADD and UDP/NRP has polled more than APRC if put together. So its clear that when the y have a united front the APRC will be ejected no doubt about that.
The the pressure am referring to that LIE maybe be subject is like, Family coming to your houses, uncles, aunts etc, telling you to give up its not worth it. As Bamba suggested, if the powers that be wants to eliminate him, even if Lie doesn't mind it, the Family will do simply because they don't wanna lose a bread winner like that. But for me personally am proud of Lie because over the years he has proven to these boys that he's a hard nut to crack. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 18 May 2006 : 17:33:07
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Originally posted by MADIBA
Please KOBO don't be angry get hungry anyway the situation warrants it.
Anyway the SELFISHNESS I MEAN FOR the OPPOSITION is that of THE DESIRE TO LEAD AND NOT ALLOW OTHERS TO LEAD BY POPULAR DEMAND.
The reluctance of others to unite under one banner call it NADD,
Freegambia, xyz anything. Let them unite to evict the APRC. That's the primary goal then later go to secondary stage of the Post APRC.
Simple as that. The NADD and UDP/NRP has polled more than APRC if put together. So its clear that when the y have a united front the APRC will be ejected no doubt about that.
The the pressure am referring to that LIE maybe be subject is like, Family coming to your houses, uncles, aunts etc, telling you to give up its not worth it. As Bamba suggested, if the powers that be wants to eliminate him, even if Lie doesn't mind it, the Family will do simply because they don't wanna lose a bread winner like that. But for me personally am proud of Lie because over the years he has proven to these boys that he's a hard nut to crack.
Your points are noted but I prefer a direct respose to my question. Don't beat about the bush please? Take note that we are on politics and be objective and precise. Am awaiting your response please Madiba. |
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
1275 Posts |
Posted - 18 May 2006 : 17:54:51
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KOBO,
I don't see anyone enjoying the cream. If you mean Lie taking a job from the APRC , then am sorry i don't think so. There are people who had been humiliated by the APRC gov't and despite making peace with the APRC gov't are not given jobs or have rejected jobs. These people are running very viable personal businesses. Seving the APRC in any capacity in my opinion doesn't give any cream.
The SELFISHNESS WE HAVE HERE IS DIFFERENT. The political one is about position and a job(the presidency),The reason why the opposition has been defeated is becos they were divided. Why were they divided becos they couldn't come to agreement as to who LEADS.
the other is family: if LIE ignores the feeling and desires of his family is then LIE IS SELFISH because he would have been thinking of only himself. If LIE has organize his supporters and family to visit Statehouse for his possible re-instatement then LIE is SELFISH. If on the other hand his friends and family went to him and begged him to make peace with the Gov't so that he would shower them with favours later then THEY are SELFISH.
If LIE went on his own accord based on the pleas of his family and friends for his safety then NONE IS SELFISH
KOBO i think i have now come out of the bush. Right? |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 18 May 2006 : 18:05:11
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Originally posted by MADIBA
KOBO,
I don't see anyone enjoying the cream. If you mean Lie taking a job from the APRC , then am sorry i don't think so. There are people who had been humiliated by the APRC gov't and despite making peace with the APRC gov't are not given jobs or have rejected jobs. These people are running very viable personal businesses. Seving the APRC in any capacity in my opinion doesn't give any cream.
The SELFISHNESS WE HAVE HERE IS DIFFERENT. The political one is about position and a job(the presidency),The reason why the opposition has been defeated is becos they were divided. Why were they divided becos they couldn't come to agreement as to who LEADS.
the other is family: if LIE ignores the feeling and desires of his family is then LIE IS SELFISH because he would have been thinking of only himself. If LIE has organize his supporters and family to visit Statehouse for his possible re-instatement then LIE is SELFISH. If on the other hand his friends and family went to him and begged him to make peace with the Gov't so that he would shower them with favours later then THEY are SELFISH.
If LIE went on his own accord based on the pleas of his family and friends for his safety then NONE IS SELFISH
KOBO i think i have now come out of the bush. Right?
Am sorry to say am not convinced as your long answer atempts to hide the facts as the actions imply behind cloudiness. I wanted a straightforward answer and hopefully if I could coin in OPPORTUNISM it might help you Madiba? |
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
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Posted - 18 May 2006 : 18:17:43
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Opportunism? Whose opportunism LIE OR GOV'T?
KOBO, my brother i have nothing to hide. I said all i said in good faith and as i understand the situation. LIE doesn't even know me, am not related to him in anyway except he's Gambian am Gambian.
So my long answer was to give you the premise of my answer. In my opinion a short and direct answer would have been myopic. I'm sorry if you don't like short answer but I would like to always clarify leaving out possible clouds. |
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