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turk
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 Posted - 11 Aug 2010 : 17:48:09
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| That is true. That is (Income distribution) additional economic data to GDP per capita meaningful. For example, I think Equatorial Guinea has high GDP per capita, but most GDP is income belongs to a few Government officials and it might create the exception of GDP per capita being a valid criteria to understand the wealth of individuals/government. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 11 Aug 2010 : 18:06:51
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| My point exactly,thanks,leaving the per capita thing to one side,no one has come up with any information on my previous enquiry :"so the answer is where does administration money come from, Are there any published government figures that can assist to solve this question? I have no idea,are there any published figures ? for instance aid from the UK, aid from the EU, aid from the IMF,aid from the UN,aid from friends in the Arab world,loans from others,is any of this information available and how was or is it spent" Are these figures not in the public domain with the Gambian published figures ? if not then it seems a little strange that such moneys given for the advancement and betterment of The Gambia and her people are not available from published administration documents. |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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turk
USA
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Posted - 11 Aug 2010 : 18:53:38
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Touby
Not so fast. While there are exceptions, GDP per capita is a valid indicator for 'show me the money' thing. Administration money, budget, come from taxes and taxes is closely related to GDP per capita. There is a Gambian budget and it is public.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 11 Aug 2010 : 18:57:52
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OK.............any links ?
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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turk
USA
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Posted - 11 Aug 2010 : 19:48:05
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| I provided this earlier. But if you want to find the budget of the Gambian Government, you need to look up. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 11 Aug 2010 : 21:18:15
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Yes Turk I remember,however all I can find in relation to the budget of The Gambia for 2010 is by newspaper reports some on line some hard copy,however I did come across this from the IMF I do not understand these things very well but:
"The Board’s decision allows the government to request a further disbursement amounting to SDR 2.0 million (about US$ 3.0million), bringing total disbursements under the ECF to The Gambia to SDR 20.2 million (about US$30.8 million " under "IMF Extended Credit Facility " I think that means a loan.
http://www.imf.org/external/np/sec/pr/2010/pr1055.htm
http://www.imf.org/external/np/exr/facts/ecf.htm
I know nothing about complex financial matters,not being a Banker ,maybe you can explain things for me.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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Posted - 11 Aug 2010 : 21:23:09
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I think education to 18 is over ambitious for ALL in a developing country. It should be a target for the longer term.
For the immediate future it would be a start to say FREE primary education for ALL. also NO working for primary aged children.
In many villages less than half the children go to school and girls especially are expected to work in the home and with little jobs to raise money for the family.
The schools should provide a free school uniform and a free school lunch.
If every child in Gambia was on a school role then they could be checked up on: eg annual medicals, innoculations etc..health and education working together.
Also if every child is known to the authorities and has a basic education hopefully there would be less child abuse and less young marriages etc....
Children have a right to a BASIC education and a right NOT to work and have time for PLAY. |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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Posted - 11 Aug 2010 : 21:26:33
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Of course this will cost money, but I think it should be prioritised.
UNICEF's the rights of the child, makes interesting reading. |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 11 Aug 2010 : 21:30:48
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| Yes bev. Gambia did not have proper primary education standard, how will they have the compulsory high school education for everyone. Step by step hopefully they accomplish compulsory education until 18. Also, the qualifications/skills of teachers for primary schools should be improved as well. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 12 Aug 2010 : 08:26:14
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Free primary education already exists in the Gambia. It started in 1975/76. Primary education is not compulsory though; but it needs to be. Part of the problems of making it compulsory might have to do with the difficulty of introducing Western education itself among against firmly held traditional and religious beliefs and education. Incentives such as school feeding programs and 3 months summer holidays were used to motivate poor rural and farming communities to sent their kids to school, but the problem still persists.
I strongly believe the Gambia can afford free high school education for all. The money is there, they don't need to create new money for it. Like I said there is so much govt.waste in corruption, inefficiency, travel allowances, and there is absolutely some room for higher taxation of the rich and the super-rich. Currently, college and university education are largely free in the Gambia. Here is what can be done. College and university education should no longer be free. It should be paid with subsidized student loans and grants, payable with employment after graduation. That money could offset part of the cost of high school education. High school is so critical to one's success. It is where successful people are made or broken... |
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turk
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Posted - 12 Aug 2010 : 09:51:24
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| Oh now, primary education is not compulsory because of Islam. And currently even primary education is not free. But they can make even high school free. It does not matter Gambia has one of the top 30 poorest countries in the world with 400 dollar GDP per capita (nominal) (while Norway has 80,000) because Kayjatta say so. OK, the idea is that College and University should be based on loans, than students pay back that. And this money can finance the cost of high school education. Sounds like a great idea. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 12 Aug 2010 : 10:15:10
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Originally posted by turk
Oh now, primary education is not compulsory because of Islam. And currently even primary education is not free. But they can make even high school free. It does not matter Gambia has one of the top 30 poorest countries in the world with 400 dollar GDP per capita (nominal) (while Norway has 80,000) because Kayjatta say so. OK, the idea is that College and University should be based on loans, than students pay back that. And this money can finance the cost of high school education. Sounds like a great idea.
See, it just takes a little bit thinking man, we can find the money. It is there already, and I can come up with more novel ways of bringing out that money  . |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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Posted - 12 Aug 2010 : 10:25:08
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Primary education isnt totally free. People have to pay for uniform, pens, pencils and paper, books, lunch etc...
Any visitors to Gambia, if you take pencils and exercise books this will give access to primary education for more children. Take it to a village school.
In Kolior there was a separate Islamic school, but now the schools have combined.
MANY children ( between half and two thirds) still don't go to school in Kolior. |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 12 Aug 2010 : 10:25:25
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| Like there is a famous saying in the united states of america. "Show me the money". Kayjatta you are turning to a politician. I like you more when you you form your opinion based on science, figures, facts and numbers. Not based on tales. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 12 Aug 2010 : 10:29:32
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| bev, I think even for primary school there is a fee to pay. Right? Or was I 'conned'? :) |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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