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turk
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 Posted - 28 Jul 2010 : 16:29:04
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OK. There is so much talk about the performance of government. What about political parties. Are they good enough to lead Gambia?
PDOIS stands for People's Democratic Organization for Independence and Socialism (Gambia).
OK start with the basics? Did I hear socialism? Yes that is good. At least I know they have an ideology and they have a program based on the political ideology of Socialism. If I was a Gambian citizen, I would consider them because, at least I would have an idea what to expect.
What about UDP? What are they? Conservative, liberal, communist or they are also clueless about what they are? What is their ideology?
What about the leaders?
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
Edited by - turk on 28 Jul 2010 20:28:50 |
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Jack
Belgium
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Posted - 28 Jul 2010 : 16:52:57
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Good question Turk. I wonder myself what could be the differences in ideology.
Moreover besides UDP and PDOIS there are also the smaller political parties like NRP, NDAM and maybe PPP ? Or don't they exist anymore. |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 28 Jul 2010 : 17:10:10
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I think they exist but UDP and PDOIS seem to have more support. However, it is nice to know about their ideologies, programs. Or they are just like football club with the only differences are personalities? I have asked this question many times, no one has answered. I am hoping the following is not the case.
UDP: While we don't have any ideology, we offer the best option for Gambia, because simply we have the best team. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Janko
Gambia
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Posted - 28 Jul 2010 : 17:32:55
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Go to "Tribalism is the Evil"
UDP = United DEMOCRATIC Party just like OBamas Democratic Party ,... so, go figure...  |
Clean your house before pointing a finger ... Never be moved by delirious Well-wishers in their ecstasy |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 28 Jul 2010 : 18:19:36
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I refer to what you are writing about as "policies" which I think you refer to as "their ideologies, programs" they don't appear to have any,they do have a propaganda secretary,whos job is what ?
OK propaganda about what? Perhaps the UDP supporters might like to tell us here on bantaba ?
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Originally posted by turk
I think they exist but UDP and PDOIS seem to have more support. However, it is nice to know about their ideologies, programs. Or they are just like football club with the only differences are There is no short cut.
personalities? I have asked this question many times, no one has answered. I am hoping the following is not the case.
UDP: While we don't have any ideology, we offer the best option for Gambia, because simply we have the best team.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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turk
USA
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Posted - 28 Jul 2010 : 18:46:26
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Touby
According to wiki, UDP is The United Democratic Party is a conservative political party in The Gambia, affiliated to the International Democratic Union. And International Democratic Union is representing ideologues like Thatcher, George Bush, Helmut Kohl, Chirac. I guess we are getting somewhere.
PDOIS is left wing
UDP is right wing
Than why da hell Kayjatta is supporing PDOIS while his hero is George Bush. lol.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Senegambia
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Posted - 28 Jul 2010 : 19:23:53
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I find it hard to comment on this topic due to lack of clarity.
First lets begin with the Topic PDOIS vs UDP. That implies a debate between UDP and PDOIS. If that is the case then I don't want to take part in it. This is not the time to start a fight between the Kays and the Suntous (at Moe's delight). That will only distract us from paying constant attention to the brute regime currently in control of the affairs of the Gambian state. However, a discussion titled PDOIS and UDP will imply a general discussion of the programmes of the two distinct parties which is good. It however falls short of a wider and much needed debate as other political parties, as mentioned by Janko, are excluded. Remember NRP is a significant party that registered more votes than most opposition parties in previous elections.
Politics of Ideology is not of primary importance to the Gambian people. You will agree with me that based on the programmes of political parties, whether they claimed a particular ideological stance or not, people will tend to categorize them as left, right or center. You prefer socialism so that's fine. I consider myself a social democrat! But I make up my choice based on the programmes of a party and not the name of it. There is nothing negative of been a conservative party as long as one delivers the good for it's people. Remember you can be liberal and still not a socialist.
If, according to Turk, UDP is conservative, PDOIS sosialist, what is APRC, NDAM, GMC, NRP, PPP, etc? |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 28 Jul 2010 : 20:28:01
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Senegambia
Thanks for the guidance. You are right, it should have been cleared. It is about general discussion of the programmes, ideologies. Other parties should be included to inform public about them as well.
I am not for particular ideology. In fact, I might favor for different ideology for the different realities. And names i.e. socialism or social democracy sometime confusing. For example, Liberal Party in Canada which is social democrat, is different from Liberal Party in Australia which is conservative and little nationalist. I gave example of socialist as PDOIS has the 'socialist' term in the name because at least they are clear about their ideology as I am familiar with the socialism, i know what to expect from them. United Democratic Party does not tell me what it is. Obviously their programs will tell us what the solutions they are offering. Yes, we need to know about their programs. I also like social democracy but, again, it is all depends on the country.
Usually party programs described in different areas. Let us start with the areas so they can start telling us what they are about.
1. Economics. What is the government role in the economy. Are they supporting socialist, social democrat or liberal economy.
2. Religion. What is the role of religion in the society. Are they favoring to support religion in society or not. Are they supporting strict secularism like France or more liberal secularism.
3. Social. Are they supporting modernization or tradition is still important.
4. International Politics. What is the position of Gambia they envision in international politics. Are they ok with the support of Taiwan? Are they supporting war on terrorism, or war on terrorism is just an hidden agenda for west.
5. Environment. Are they pro-environment or economic development is their priority.
These are a few examples for political parties to provide their stands. More parameters are welcome.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Senegambia
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Posted - 28 Jul 2010 : 20:52:21
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| Very interesting discussion indeed. The five points you have raised are all issues that many of us would like to see being discussed also. Maybe party insiders can help contribute too. With the APRC in power for 16 years, it will be safe to make a judgement based on the actions been undertaken in different matters. This is why it is important if the opposition can clearly define their positions on issues not once or two times in every five years but all the time. |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 28 Jul 2010 : 23:31:41
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"This is why it is important if the opposition can clearly define their positions on issues not once or two times in every five years but all the time."
That would indeed be useful,how can you expect the electorate to vote for a party if they don't know what they will do if they get into power ,I should of course have said be in a position to form a viable government for a country,come on , if you want to play the game of politics( "I strongly dislike politics")then play and say something and let the electorate decide if you are the party they want elected,without the necessary information they cannot form an opinion.Turk has already pointed out differences,are they accurate or mistaken,who knows,? no one is saying.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Dembish
Gambia
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Posted - 28 Jul 2010 : 23:39:51
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Turk you are in isolation when it comes to Gambian politics.Thats why no one wants to respond to your question about the party idealogies in the Gambia.By the way what is the Idealogy of APRC,what are their programes and what are they,conservative or what?I am surprise you do did not ask what APRC stand for.
For your information, every political party in The Gambia have their own Agenda and progrmmes and a manifesto which they present to the electorates every election . |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jul 2010 : 00:08:39
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Dembish. I am not in popularity contest. I post my opinion regardless of what other dummies who isolate me, think. But, I wonder why am I in isolation? I am totally fine with those who engaged with the message.
For APRC! Hello.... They are the government, you can judge what they are doing. The topic is what opposition would do as they did not demonstrate anything rather than rhetoric. Are you saying they have agenda, programs and manifesto? Show me a link, I wanna read them. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
Edited by - turk on 29 Jul 2010 00:21:27 |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jul 2010 : 00:11:26
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Looks like PDOIS is doing some good job i.e. letter to the president
In terms of personality/charisma, i think Halifa Sallah is coming out as very interesting as a most motivated and hard working opposition leader. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Janko
Gambia
1267 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jul 2010 : 00:46:17
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turk,
this is what you wrote on "Tribalism is the Evil"
“I don't put much value on democracy, and I think democracy is obstacle for Gambia as it does not fit as Gambia does not understand, have history and capability for democracy anyway. Islam or Communist model maybe a better fit for Gambia. …Wastefulness will continue as Gambia does not have skills and knowledge to be effective government. How many government officials have university degree? How many civil servants have university degree. So your ideals good but not realistic for Gambia. I talked to top managerial level of professional in Gambia, they are skills and knowledge are laughable.”
How do you compromise that with your present topic?
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Clean your house before pointing a finger ... Never be moved by delirious Well-wishers in their ecstasy |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jul 2010 : 01:18:34
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Janko. I have my opinion. I have my ideals. There are realities. There are others in a team. You always compromise when your ideals and realities conflict. I am very practical and adaptable. I make adjustment when I work with others and if needed to have a consensus. In this topic I am interested in what other political parties say. So far, instead of talking politic parties in Gambia, we have been talking about me.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 29 Jul 2010 : 08:40:35
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Originally posted by turk
Touby
PDOIS is left wing
UDP is right wing
Than why da hell Kayjatta is supporing PDOIS while his hero is George Bush. lol.
History will surely record Bush as one of the 21st century's greatest defenders of freedom. His legacy: "Freedom on the march"... |
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