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Karamba
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 18 Jul 2010 : 22:09:43
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Unless he had some nasty malicious intent to cut off human heads in public, what would have been Jammeh's reason(s) to introduce Death Penalty in Gambia?
Now that 7 people have their heads hanging in the balance, will Jammeh want death penalty retained or have it abolished for good?
Will Jammeh tell Gambians why he preferred importing the mighty Death Penalty from legal history of 400 years?
Was the population consulted through referandum before Jammeh dug up the dead and buried Death Penalty?
Jammeh, why have you decided to exhume the skeleton of a long buried Death Penalty on Gambian soil? Is this a human butchery business by your presidential powers?
Jammeh, how will you feel if one day your head hangs in the balance as the mighty Death Penalty you have installed grips you by tip of your thin hair?
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Santanfara
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Posted - 19 Jul 2010 : 19:07:10
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Karamba
To jlt your memory, did you not remember yahya Jammeh constant threating Gambians with the six feet deep burial comments?
Now how many of our brother did he bury? Do the maths. Hence the death penalty is just to legalise his regular actions. Thanks |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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mansasulu
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Posted - 19 Jul 2010 : 21:45:49
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I thought the death penalty is enshrined in our constitution...the one overwhelming adopted by Gambians in 1997. We have always had the death penalty in our books, but shamelessly ignored it since independence. Only one person (Mustapha Danso in 1981) was ever convicted in a court of law and executed on Gambian soil. Now, I doubt Lang Tombong and his co-conspirators or fellow coupists will ever be led to the gallows or face a firing squad, but at the same time, we need to look inward for answers as to why things are the way they are in the Gambia. I have always said it here that leaders are a true reflection of the people they rule.
I believe we all know how this one will play out. First, the appeal will be rejected and a litany of pleas for clemency by hypocrites will file in and beg for mercy from the Sheikh and only then will he "spare" them. Whether they were convicted in a just court of law or not is irrevant here for people like Lang in particular. I dont know about the other low profile convicts but the message for all Gambians is that the more we keep sacrificing our fellow brothers and sisters to save our own skins, the closer we become to being scarificial lambs. |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 19 Jul 2010 : 21:57:15
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.....we need to look inward for answers as to why things are the way they are in the Gambia. I have always said it here that leaders are a true reflection of the people they rule.
Amin.
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jul 2010 : 23:12:38
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Exposed to the core, it is no surprise that blind Jammeh wingers will still stand by him even while 7 persons have their heads hanging to be chopped off.
All the time, it has been written here on this Bantaba platform that one by one, Jammeh and his gang members will fall apart. Now that truth is here to be taken by merit.
Between Jammeh and his gang members, there is so much they share. He is always right even when he chooses to kill, that's still fine. What they don't know is that one day, someone close will fall victim.
While some of you are surprised that Jammeh is being seen right by gang members at this most extreme case of inhumane display, we have warned you to be mindful.
Sorry that some of you are disappointed. Next time Jammeh kills, they will continue to justify it as being done in self defence.
Bloodless coup! Soldiers with a difference! On the rampage, killing and being killed!
Yes, Jammeh has a right to kill! So they say. |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 20 Jul 2010 : 01:59:30
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Come on Sister Omega, stop twisting and turning around like a drunken salior on a sinking ship. When Bev or anything refers to Gambians not being able to vote as you wish to coney it, the fact is clear.
There is no conducive political atmosphere. All that the deceptive gang politics of Jammeh is known for goes beyond day of voting. The voting process is so badly contaminated, final count comes when the damage is done.
Often, Sister Omega, you like to justify everything Yaya Jammeh by examples from other situations. In your views, just because Saddam and Idi Amin killed, Jammeh is therefore not the first brutal dictator to kill, so let his enemies die.
You preach English Law as if under your dictates. Some of your posts here amount to the very threats that you accuse others. How could you justify Jammeh's killings and continue adding that those opposed to him will get killed? Are you not inciting violence?
Jammeh's biggest weapon is taking life and causing people suffer.
I have never imagined someone so unfair as you manifest.
Take a deep breath and reason better. You seem to be running out of steam.
This bogus Jammeh regime will come to an end like Charles Taylor, Idi Amin, Bokassa, Samuel Doe, Hitler, and all the human butchers of worse times. |
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Moe
USA
2326 Posts |
Posted - 20 Jul 2010 : 02:06:47
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Mansa sulu this how Mansa's should talk, This is a very thought provoking piece. Why are things the way they are, and Gambians have a tendency of just lying their asses off when they have no knowledge of things, Yet they can sit here and act like they were even involved. Personally I will tackle anyone misinforming the youths I promise you that.....................................Peace quote:
Originally posted by mansasulu
I thought the death penalty is enshrined in our constitution...the one overwhelming adopted by Gambians in 1997. We have always had the death penalty in our books, but shamelessly ignored it since independence. Only one person (Mustapha Danso in 1981) was ever convicted in a court of law and executed on Gambian soil. Now, I doubt Lang Tombong and his co-conspirators or fellow coupists will ever be led to the gallows or face a firing squad, but at the same time, we need to look inward for answers as to why things are the way they are in the Gambia. I have always said it here that leaders are a true reflection of the people they rule.
I believe we all know how this one will play out. First, the appeal will be rejected and a litany of pleas for clemency by hypocrites will file in and beg for mercy from the Sheikh and only then will he "spare" them. Whether they were convicted in a just court of law or not is irrevant here for people like Lang in particular. I dont know about the other low profile convicts but the message for all Gambians is that the more we keep sacrificing our fellow brothers and sisters to save our own skins, the closer we become to being scarificial lambs.
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I am Jebel Musa better yet rock of Gibraltar,either or,still a stronghold and a Pillar commanding direction
The GPU wants Me Hunted Down for what I don't know ..... |
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Moe
USA
2326 Posts |
Posted - 20 Jul 2010 : 02:09:02
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DOLLOH BULA c'mon dude try something new for a change.I promise you will feel a lot better..............................................Peacequote:
Originally posted by Karamba
Exposed to the core, it is no surprise that blind Jammeh wingers will still stand by him even while 7 persons have their heads hanging to be chopped off.
All the time, it has been written here on this Bantaba platform that one by one, Jammeh and his gang members will fall apart. Now that truth is here to be taken by merit.
Between Jammeh and his gang members, there is so much they share. He is always right even when he chooses to kill, that's still fine. What they don't know is that one day, someone close will fall victim.
While some of you are surprised that Jammeh is being seen right by gang members at this most extreme case of inhumane display, we have warned you to be mindful.
Sorry that some of you are disappointed. Next time Jammeh kills, they will continue to justify it as being done in self defence.
Bloodless coup! Soldiers with a difference! On the rampage, killing and being killed!
Yes, Jammeh has a right to kill! So they say.
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I am Jebel Musa better yet rock of Gibraltar,either or,still a stronghold and a Pillar commanding direction
The GPU wants Me Hunted Down for what I don't know ..... |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 20 Jul 2010 : 02:42:57
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When he opened his big mouth talking about that treacherous coup in 1994, Jammeh promised correcting wrongs. More than 16 years now, are we to celebrate that the evil part of him overcomes? He promised to clean. Why do we have to accept these rubbished excuses like he found things that way and what not?
The criminal has been given long rope to hang himself and slowly doing so. How can armed bandits take a whole nation for hostage and running around like mad dogs?
By saying loud and clear that he is no politician, what is Jammeh doing on that political seat? That is the highest form of deception in human society. If he is not a politician, then he is a gang leader.
As it has been stated here on this forum that one day Jammeh and his close gang members will fall apart, we have seen that happened. Next we have to expect one of his closest will surprise him. Let anyone mark that too and set for a celebration.
Don't any of you deluded lot not have the fibre to embrace truth? Was it not stated here that day by day, the gang falls to pieces? That is now happening. Will you deluded gang members deny that? |
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Moe
USA
2326 Posts |
Posted - 20 Jul 2010 : 03:01:51
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We heard this crap from you last week, last month. last year, every year. 2010 Karamba get over it, there is absolutely nothing you can do about it, Jammeh did not rob a goddamn thing from Gambians. Go ask the Imam Ratib of Banjul and all the other Imams including the civil servant who for the first time in the history of Government made it to work that Monday morning earlier than 8:00 including Darboe. ................................................Peacequote:
Originally posted by Karamba
When he opened his big mouth talking about that treacherous coup in 1994, Jammeh promised correcting wrongs. More than 16 years now, are we to celebrate that the evil part of him overcomes? He promised to clean. Why do we have to accept these rubbished excuses like he found things that way and what not?
The criminal has been given long rope to hang himself and slowly doing so. How can armed bandits take a whole nation for hostage and running around like mad dogs?
By saying loud and clear that he is no politician, what is Jammeh doing on that political seat? That is the highest form of deception in human society. If he is not a politician, then he is a gang leader.
As it has been stated here on this forum that one day Jammeh and his close gang members will fall apart, we have seen that happened. Next we have to expect one of his closest will surprise him. Let anyone mark that too and set for a celebration.
Don't any of you deluded lot not have the fibre to embrace truth? Was it not stated here that day by day, the gang falls to pieces? That is now happening. Will you deluded gang members deny that?
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I am Jebel Musa better yet rock of Gibraltar,either or,still a stronghold and a Pillar commanding direction
The GPU wants Me Hunted Down for what I don't know ..... |
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kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 20 Jul 2010 : 11:45:13
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Mansasulu, your comments are eloquent and well intentioned I understand, but the cliche that "leaders are a true reflection of the people they rule" is a falacy. This statement is not the same as saying that "people are a product of their environment", as espoused by behaviorists (a school of thought in psychology). Most great leaders come to power because they have a different vision and aspiration from the status quo and the rest of the society. These leaders process and utilize information (stimuli) from their environment differently from the rest of the society. If leaders are mirror images of their societies, there would have been very little progress. Great leaders: Mandela, Lincoln, Bush, Gandhi, Nkrummah, Moses, Muhammad, Jesus, and others all shared visions and aspirations contrary to their respective societies. They were not mere canonical structures of their various societies. They inspired and led their people towards change, greater security and prosperity.
Also bad leaders, Hitler, Slobo, Namrooz, Sheikh Prof, etc come from "nowhere" and take charge of their people and society in a parasitic colonizing way, plundering their economies and inflicting torture and bloodbath. The people who are no reflections of these tyrannical leaders, struggle until they free themselves. This is how political struggles and political changes start...
Jammeh's decision to reinstate the death penalty in the Gambia is a result of the nature of his regime. The AFPRC/APRC is not as "caretaker" military like Tumani Toure of Mali or Saikouba Konare of Guinea. Jammeh's regime presented itself as a "revolutionary" regime even though it falls short of revolutionary credentials. Therefore, as a pseudo-revolutionary regime that lacks political legitimacy, Jammeh needs the death penalty as a deterrent for future military coup makers and civilian saboteurs. In short Jammeh's survival as head of a military regime depends on the threat of capital punishment. Military regimes of the revolutionary time almost always rule with an iron fist. Summary executions, firing squads, torture, disappearances, detentions without trials, etc are often commonplace...
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Originally posted by Moe
Mansa sulu this how Mansa's should talk, This is a very thought provoking piece. Why are things the way they are, and Gambians have a tendency of just lying their asses off when they have no knowledge of things, Yet they can sit here and act like they were even involved. Personally I will tackle anyone misinforming the youths I promise you that.....................................Peace quote:
Originally posted by mansasulu
I thought the death penalty is enshrined in our constitution...the one overwhelming adopted by Gambians in 1997. We have always had the death penalty in our books, but shamelessly ignored it since independence. Only one person (Mustapha Danso in 1981) was ever convicted in a court of law and executed on Gambian soil. Now, I doubt Lang Tombong and his co-conspirators or fellow coupists will ever be led to the gallows or face a firing squad, but at the same time, we need to look inward for answers as to why things are the way they are in the Gambia. I have always said it here that leaders are a true reflection of the people they rule.
I believe we all know how this one will play out. First, the appeal will be rejected and a litany of pleas for clemency by hypocrites will file in and beg for mercy from the Sheikh and only then will he "spare" them. Whether they were convicted in a just court of law or not is irrevant here for people like Lang in particular. I dont know about the other low profile convicts but the message for all Gambians is that the more we keep sacrificing our fellow brothers and sisters to save our own skins, the closer we become to being scarificial lambs.
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 20 Jul 2010 : 15:22:49
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Kay
I would not say ‘fallacy’. I think mansasulu statement is correct for the most cases, (leaders) in the world. Most leaders who are ordinary are ‘reflection of the people they rule’ because
- They fulfill their vote base, society
- Yes, they are product of their environment
- They are pragmatist, they act based on the societies expectations and they react to society.
Actually your previous statement is a valid point supporting mansa. You said:
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Guys if our president can utter this remark in front of the nation, don't you think we are really far away from democracy?
With this statement, you are actually relating ‘Gambian society, their expectation, standards and the leader.
Bad leaders like Jr.Bush, Netanyahu and Ahmedinejad are perfect example for ordinary leader.
Mansa’s statement is correct most leaders (who are ordinary) in the world. However, you are also correct that extraordinary, visionary leaders like Mandela, Ataturk and Reagan, Rabin exist but, they are exceptions.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 20 Jul 2010 : 15:55:01
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"Bad leaders like Jr.Bush," What about Blair and Brown ?   |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 20 Jul 2010 : 16:20:50
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...... Change is not gonna come from anywhere, change is gonna come from within.
Yes the AFPRC reinstated the death penalty in 1995, but we seem to ignore the fact that Gambians voted in a referendum that accepted the death penalty in 1996. In essence we reinstated it. Perhaps, if we had faithfully followed the laws in our books predating 1994, Jammeh and his fellow revolutionaries would have second thoughts about overthrowing a democratically elected (albeit corrupt) government in the first place...knowing what failure will mean...just a thought.
Jammeh alone is not capable of killing a single fly without a support structure of complicit Gambians. Time and again he has purged others and there is long line of others who want to help him continue demonizing Gambians just for the meager gains they stand to benefit from. This is why I inferred that, we (Gambians) are a mirror reflection of Jammeh. Unless, we colective stand for justice, this cycle of intimidation, subjugation and slavery will continue.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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mansasulu
997 Posts |
Posted - 20 Jul 2010 : 16:34:31
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Kay,
Which of the Bushes was a great leader...lol? It was de tocqueville who said that "...in every democracy the people get the leaders they deserve..." Now I am not gonna sit here and debate whether we are a democracy or not...i will live that to others. However, I am gonna even go further and say that de tocquiville's statement applies to every authocratic system, as in the Gambia. Take a look at the likes of Lang and Jesus for eg. These dudes are as guilty as the Sheikh himself, in that they actually committed the crimes that Jammeh ordered. Now these same individuals are the sons, fathers, and brothers of a larger Gambian society who sat by and said nothing. We helped him build a corrupt and faulty judicial system that was used in prosecuting our fellow country men and women, so it is only fair that we seek redress from the same judicial system. Change is not gonna come from anywhere, change is gonna come from within.
Yes the AFPRC reinstated the death penalty in 1995, but we seem to ignore the fact that Gambians voted in a referendum that accepted the death penalty in 1996. In essence we reinstated it. Perhaps, if we had faithfully followed the laws in our books predating 1994, Jammeh and his fellow revolutionaries would have second thoughts about overthrowing a democratically elected (albeit corrupt) government in the first place...knowing what failure will mean...just a thought.
Jammeh alone is not capable of killing a single fly without a support structure of complicit Gambians. Time and again he has purged others and there is long line of others who want to help him continue demonizing Gambians just for the meager gains they stand to benefit from. This is why I inferred that, we (Gambians) are a mirror reflection of Jammeh. Unless, we collective stand for justice, this cycle of intimidation, subjugation and slavery will continue. |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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Janko
Gambia
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Posted - 20 Jul 2010 : 19:30:14
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Thanks, Kay
you made a valid point, hence we expect something extra from our leaders. |
Clean your house before pointing a finger ... Never be moved by delirious Well-wishers in their ecstasy |
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