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Sister Omega
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toubab1020
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 Posted - 08 Jul 2010 : 02:18:49
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We are now in 2010,this table is 3 years out of date,I am sure the Gambian Government can tell us exactly how many are in prison,after all The Gambia does not have many AUTHORISED prisons 
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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toubab1020
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Posted - 08 Jul 2010 : 02:24:36
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This population list is even worse,Sister surley the Gambian government has figures that are after 1992 almost 20 years out of date and a birth rate of what ? and an immigration over those years of what ?!
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http://www.theodora.com/wfb/1992/the_gambia/the_gambia_people.html
Peace
Sister Omega
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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dbaldeh
USA
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Posted - 08 Jul 2010 : 02:28:50
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Sister Omega, please... who is counting? Start counting from the NIA head quarters and the police stations...
They dear not document all the prisoners because they are holding them illegally. They move them from police station to police station and who knows how many prison bunkers or six feet deep do they have?
Toubab, the government cannot tell us how many people are in Prison... you kidding me? they cannot even tell how many civil servants are in their books or payroll? There is no more updated record in Gambia trust me... All the files are corrupted and civil servants are moving from one office to another within days and hours... how then do we expect acurate records.
They don't even believe in records. That is how disoriented the regime is...
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Baldeh,
"Be the change you want to see in the world" Ghandi
Visit http://www.gainako.com for your daily news and politics |
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Moe
USA
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Posted - 08 Jul 2010 : 04:51:35
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| Toubab1020 you a true definition of stupidity, and ignorance. Uneducated half baked so called Toubab's make me sick with you perception of what Gambia is, you on the other hand are just a lying Gambian no doubt about that. You have no shame whatsoever, trust me the brothers will let you know as time goes on. Unauthorized prisons my ass, You want to be Famous Toubab with your limited education no wonder you are obsessed with someone is reading the Bantaba, The autorities, Does the Do read the Bantaba. Toubab you are a goddamn clown.........................................Peace |
I am Jebel Musa better yet rock of Gibraltar,either or,still a stronghold and a Pillar commanding direction
The GPU wants Me Hunted Down for what I don't know ..... |
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Moe
USA
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Posted - 08 Jul 2010 : 04:59:36
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The cyber propagandist, manipulative, pathological Liar and President of the Press Union has spoken. Listen to the "Ratta cathy Nakk" tell you about Bunkers and unknown killing grounds. Samsudeen Sarr and Company were all incarcerated at Mile to or known prisons, No one has claimed to be at a place they did not know about. Ask Demba what his facts are based on and see how stupid the Villager is. Thats right it's his backward opinion, In a bid to be the known guy in cyberspace. I wonder why he is not asking the Kayjattas, Kitabs, and Shaka's why they choose not to have an identity, I guess mine MUST BE DEALT WITH BUT WE SHALL SEE..........................................Peacequote:
Originally posted by dbaldeh
Sister Omega, please... who is counting? Start counting from the NIA head quarters and the police stations...
They dear not document all the prisoners because they are holding them illegally. They move them from police station to police station and who knows how many prison bunkers or six feet deep do they have?
Toubab, the government cannot tell us how many people are in Prison... you kidding me? they cannot even tell how many civil servants are in their books or payroll? There is no more updated record in Gambia trust me... All the files are corrupted and civil servants are moving from one office to another within days and hours... how then do we expect acurate records.
They don't even believe in records. That is how disoriented the regime is...
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I am Jebel Musa better yet rock of Gibraltar,either or,still a stronghold and a Pillar commanding direction
The GPU wants Me Hunted Down for what I don't know ..... |
Edited by - Moe on 08 Jul 2010 05:03:52 |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 08 Jul 2010 : 08:19:04
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Hey just call me Einstein, Moe!
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Originally posted by Moe
...Thats right it's his backward opinion, In a bid to be the known guy in cyberspace. I wonder why he is not asking the Kayjattas, Kitabs, and Shaka's why they choose not to have an identity, I guess mine MUST BE DEALT WITH BUT WE SHALL SEE..........................................Peacequote:
Originally posted by dbaldeh
Sister Omega, please... who is counting? Start counting from the NIA head quarters and the police stations...
They dear not document all the prisoners because they are holding them illegally. They move them from police station to police station and who knows how many prison bunkers or six feet deep do they have?
Toubab, the government cannot tell us how many people are in Prison... you kidding me? they cannot even tell how many civil servants are in their books or payroll? There is no more updated record in Gambia trust me... All the files are corrupted and civil servants are moving from one office to another within days and hours... how then do we expect acurate records.
They don't even believe in records. That is how disoriented the regime is...
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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Posted - 08 Jul 2010 : 08:33:04
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People are held without charge for a few days or weeks or months and then released without charge. These people don't appear on any statistics.
The fact the regime does this is enough to keep local people in fear.
People from the regime DO read Bantaba. |
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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
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Posted - 08 Jul 2010 : 10:21:18
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I have a gut feeling that these figures only represents those who have been lawfully convicted and even in that case, I doubt its accuracy. It is out of date for a start and does not take account of those who have been unlawfully detained without trial in police stations and other suspected secret dentention centres right across the country. It also failed to take account of the suspected cases of enforced disappearances.
Once Sister Omega has let me down for leaving her brain under her pillow.
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I do not oppose unity but I oppose dumb union. |
Edited by - Nyarikangbanna on 08 Jul 2010 10:23:50 |
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Sister Omega
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toubab1020
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toubab1020
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Posted - 08 Jul 2010 : 18:11:35
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Post a reply MOE,? Why ?
[quote]Originally posted by Moe
Toubab1020 you a true definition of stupidity,
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
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Posted - 08 Jul 2010 : 21:06:03
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Toubab unfortunately I haven't had time to contribute fully to a debate due to commitments. The source of this info comes from the CIA Fact book in order to get up to date info on the Gambia situation then one has to collate the info and do the research. However by following the links provided Readers can see the geographical information about Gambia within a Global context rather than a subjective one.
By all means these Stats can be refuted however at least it gives us an overview of Gambia in relation to other nations not just the fabricated evidence of people who are trying to create an illusionary picture for their own political ambitions.
Nyarikangbanna you weren't far from the truth I posted just before I went to bed. However I still feel that's important put these endless allegations into some sort of context, and I've put it into a Global one. As Gambia is a small nation where people have close family and community networks. Then it becomes very difficult to understand that people have just disappeared without no one knowing where they are. Really, people talk, the prison guards have family and friends, so do the cleaners, cooks, soldiers and the public at large.
Nyarikangbanna even in the UK an Asian Prisoner was detained for six years under the Terror Laws which was broadcasted on the BBC news this morning. The Gambian government has already recognised that the wheels of justice are turning too slow within the country. That too many people have to wait too long to be brought to trial, and that there are too many adjournments. There has been also more foreign Judges employed to assisting in speeding up the process. However there does seem to be a backlog of cases that really need to be address and the process needs to be reformed.
How would you suggest the system be reformed? As for the data unless people are employed to collect the relevant data for the Stats then reliable and up-date information will be sparse.
Gambiabev people are in fear especially when they read this rubbish on the internet and repeat on the street taking what they hear as news. That's way a lot of the ex members of the APRC government peddle their propaganda online. Within this Bantabaa there are and have been members of the government, opposition and their Ambassdors all participating on the Forum. Come on now the readership of the Bantabaa is large.
Bev let's be real the Gambian authorities don't pick up the local people as much as the British Police pick up African and Asian youth or men. They don't stop and search and lock children up in Police stations as much as they do in the Inner Cities of Britian. Gambia's don't live with shoot outs as much as occur in the US or UK. Neither do they carry out the death penalty.
Gambian children are freer to walk down the street without the threat of being murdered and kidnapped. People communicate with each other and have conversations in the street and know their neighbours. They don't have to have bars on their windows, burglar alarms. They not spied upon 24/7 with CCTV, and the State doesn't dictate nearly every part of their lives. Gambians are so much freer, and most didn't realise how much more until they decided to claim Political Asylum.
When I first visited Gambia it was ranked in the bottom 20 of the poorest countries in the world now 18 years later it is now ranked 92 out of 261 economies in the world.
The point is despite what others would like Readers to believe Gambia is now going from strength to strength in real terms. Of course it is not Utopia however Gambia is not hell on Earth either.
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toubab1020
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Posted - 08 Jul 2010 : 21:16:56
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Sister O Thanks for that honest posting one piece of which stood out for me "There has been also more foreign Judges employed to assisting in speeding up the process. However there does seem to be a backlog of cases that really need to be address and the process needs to be reformed.
How would you suggest the system be reformed? "
My favorite Gambian,Judge Moses Richards should be reinstated in his former position.
To the shame of my country your words are quite true:
"Gambian children are freer to walk down the street without the threat of being murdered and kidnapped. People communicate with each other and have conversations in the street and know their neighbours. They don't have to have bars on their windows, burglar alarms. They not spied upon 24/7 with CCTV, and the State doesn't dictate nearly every part of their lives. Gambians are so much freer, and most didn't realise how much more until they decided to claim Political Asylum."
In defence I would submit that the UK has many more millions of people than the Gambia,lawyers everywhere are in business to make money those who have a "calling" end up with the small pieces and fade away,if you want to be rich in the law game you have to network and play the game.
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
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Posted - 08 Jul 2010 : 21:40:49
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Toubab I agree with you that Britain's population is much bigger and yes Lawyers make a lot of money. The Prison business is big business in the US and Britain isn't too far behind. The same can't be said of the Gambia. There seems to be some double standards, when some of the online opposition sites cry corruption and when Gambia government tackles such issues they cry injustice regardless of who or what that individual has alledgedly done. When there are too little Judges its a problem. When their are Foreign Judges its a peoblem. Yes there needs to be more Gambian Judges. so how many of theese Guy are actively sponsoring family members or friends to go into Law to become Judges or are taking Law Degrees in their adopted homes to supply Gambia with the Brain Gains it needs?
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dbaldeh
USA
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Posted - 08 Jul 2010 : 22:09:03
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Sister O, this is what caught my attention:
"The Gambian government has already recognised that the wheels of justice are turning too slow within the country. That too many people have to wait too long to be brought to trial, and that there are too many adjournments. There has been also more foreign Judges employed to assisting in speeding up the process. However there does seem to be a backlog of cases that really need to be address and the process needs to be reformed.
How would you suggest the system be reformed?"
To reform the system the government need to start with its hands off the Justice system. You know the judges in the Gambia are not independent to make their decisions according to law. There is constant threat of firing and sometime disappearance if judges rule against the government.
The government has its hands in the high courts in Banjul hiring and firing any one they deem a threat to their cooked laws.
Sister O, only in Gambia that a witness will testify to be a criminal, a drug dealer and yet still they are presented as credible witness by the regime.
The Gambian justice system used to be fairly free and full of Gambian citizens from the lower to the high court.... What do we have now?
Many goverment supporters fail to recognize the inconsistencies of this regime and when people criticize the regime they are branded as enemies of the state or opposition.
No, look at the facts and you will be see in plain language how clueless this regime is... all they think is that development is about structures and using tax payer resources to donate to our own departments... What a shame really |
Baldeh,
"Be the change you want to see in the world" Ghandi
Visit http://www.gainako.com for your daily news and politics |
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