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mansasulu
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 Posted - 16 Jun 2010 : 16:03:27
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Tamsier, my serere brotha! when will you stop being bitter? If you confronted "the low life" muslims in Fatick, whats the point bring it up here. You definately dont spare your self from more pain, do you?
By the way, how is the rest of the serere family doing in Fatick? Next time you go tell them one of their sons conveys his greetings and invites them to the pleasure and blessings of following the religion of Allah. |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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tamsier
United Kingdom
556 Posts |
Posted - 16 Jun 2010 : 17:27:29
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Originally posted by Janko
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Originally posted by tamsier
Hi Janko, I get the point you are making. Some of us including myself use the phrase Serere Animism to others who do not know what we are talking about. If we say Serere, they will think it is just a tribe, but as we all Sereres know,there is more to the word Serere than just a tribe. We call ourselves Serere which is an ethno-religion. All serere values, custom, tradition etc stems from our religion. Nevertheless I get the point you are making. It is merely to ease understanding. Are you Serere?
Tamsier,
You see, there are no peoples who are as kindhearted as Africans. Your generosity to those who do not know what we are talking about is a good example. However, I think those who genuinely want to understand our worldview should do it from our point of view. So, even whereas I understand your kindheartedness, using the lens of animism has unwilling effects that sway from understanding the real meaning of Serere theology (involving science, philosophy, knowledge of the divine and religion).
It is blissful that such institution and knowledgebase exists in our area. It is my standpoint that as far as we have such knowledgebase, there is still hope that we can recover some important aspects of our philosophy and believe systems. Hence, these are central to our way forward, our independence and self-understanding.
Am no Serere, but a Senegambian who has great respect and admiration for their steadfastness, watchfulness and strength in maintaining and keeping such an institution, knowledgebase. My wish is to attain this festival some day.
I'm sure you will have a great time when you finally decide to go. Your first experience would always be the best experience. The rituals and chants are so old you are bound to be moved as it connects you to the ancient ancestors who have long departed this world. Even if you can't speak or understand the language you are bound to feel moved. I attended my first Xoy when I was 9. I can still remember it as if it was yesterday. Senegambia and Africa in general has always had these ancient theologies etc. One of our best philosopher was of course the 16th century - Mam Kotcha Berma. Many of his proverbs are still recited today. The Senegalese government no matter what I think of it is trying to preserve this ancient knowledge. Of course they could do more but at least is a first step. Those who want to know will know, those who don't want to know won't know. That's the way I see it. |
Tamsier
Serere heritage. Serere religion. Serere to the end.
Roog a fa ha. |
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tamsier
United Kingdom
556 Posts |
Posted - 16 Jun 2010 : 17:31:01
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Originally posted by mansasulu
Tamsier, my serere brotha! when will you stop being bitter? If you confronted "the low life" muslims in Fatick, whats the point bring it up here. You definately dont spare your self from more pain, do you?
By the way, how is the rest of the serere family doing in Fatick? Next time you go tell them one of their sons conveys his greetings and invites them to the pleasure and blessings of following the religion of Allah.
You are not Serere. |
Tamsier
Serere heritage. Serere religion. Serere to the end.
Roog a fa ha. |
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mansasulu
997 Posts |
Posted - 16 Jun 2010 : 17:45:45
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| My roots are from Sine... |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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tamsier
United Kingdom
556 Posts |
Posted - 16 Jun 2010 : 18:00:54
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Originally posted by kobo
Cultural heritage (for e.g Serere animism, hinduism, judaism, paganism etc) is not comparative to other religions (for e.g Christianity, Islam).
This religion (Judaism) is considered as forming the basis of the cultural and social identity of the Jews
Cultural rituals and practice is all about dark ages and getting stuck in crude ideology, corrupted over time and towards tendency of discrimination.
Religion is about EQUALITY, UNIVERSALITY, HUMANITY & PIETY FOR MANKIND. Its only through Islam that we can understand HOW TO DEFINE THOSE TERMS IN ARABIC for e.g;
"Yaa baani Adam" = HUMAN RACE. The quran is a letter addressed to the human race and not for any other purpose. It does not belong to arabs, africans, asians, muslims, christians, jews, wollof, serere etc.
"ALLAH" = Unique name of ONLY ONE SUPREME GOD FOR ALL MANKIND = UNIVERSALITY IN SENSE OF DIRECTION TOWARDS ONLY ONE SUPER BEING & MASTER OF THE UNIVERSE, WITH 100 ATTRIBUTES THAT EMPOWERED HIM ABOVE "YAA BAANI ADAM".
"LAA ILLAHA ILLAL LAH" = THERE IS NO GOD EXCEPT ALLAH
More on last sermon of Prophet Muhamad to get the message about Islam under http://www.alhafeez.org/lastsermon.htm
Discrimination! MMMMMM! I don't see Sereres Animists in masses discriminating against others. It is actually the other way round as I have noted above. The media didn't turn up in numbers to cover the Xoy which would not have happened had it been a Muslim or Christian even.
You speak of humanity. When Amadou Bamba Mbackeh was falsely set up by a Muslim prince [who shall remain nameless] of piling weapons to attack the French and the French wanted to prosecute him, who was there to defend him? Just in case you didn't know, not a single member of the Muslim Elders came to his defence. It took a Serere Animist King - Kumba Ndoffene Fa ndeb Joof to challenge the French by telling them the honourable qualities of Amadou Bamba and told the French matter of factly the accusations levied against Bamba are nothing but lies and he should be released at once. Have you forgotten? That was the only reason Bamba was released. Humanity! Oh yes the Sereres know the meaning of humanity. The question is do you?
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Tamsier
Serere heritage. Serere religion. Serere to the end.
Roog a fa ha. |
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tamsier
United Kingdom
556 Posts |
Posted - 16 Jun 2010 : 18:03:20
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Originally posted by mansasulu
My roots are from Sine...
Yeh right! |
Tamsier
Serere heritage. Serere religion. Serere to the end.
Roog a fa ha. |
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tamsier
United Kingdom
556 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jun 2010 : 21:31:01
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Long live Serere Animism. The only noble religion of our forefathers.
Roog-a-faha |
Tamsier
Serere heritage. Serere religion. Serere to the end.
Roog a fa ha. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 24 Jun 2010 : 02:01:06
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WHAT RELIGION? ITS ABOUT CULTURAL RITUALS WITHOUT ANY BASIS, A KIND OF DEVIL WORSHIP, PAGANISM, IDOL WORSHIP, ENSLAVEMENT OR TOTAL SUBMISSION TO THE HIGH PRIEST. ISN'T IT
SERERE ANIMISM IS A SPIRITUAL TRADITION LIKE MANY DURING THE DARK AGES AND BEFORE MAN ADVANCES TO MORE POPULAR RELIGIONS WITH DIVINE KNOWLEDGE & WISDOM.
WE HAVE GOOD SERE MUSLIMS FOR THEY UNDERSTAND WHERE THEY BELONG AND THEIR IDENTITY PROPER UNDER ISLAMIC STANDARDS OF MEASURE FOR HUMANITY & EQUALITY ("yaa bani Adam" - "Dormi Adam").
However I will help to enlighten you further why ISLAM IS ONE OF THE NOBLEST RELIGION!
Bev has pointed out that its about "education" and different from "indoctrination" or "preachings". However tamsier; you can live your own dream, write your own history, have your own conviction but matters that affects humanity should be addressed very seriously.
There are many ISLANDS ACROSS THE GLOBE.
CUL! |
Edited by - kobo on 24 Jun 2010 02:31:13 |
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tamsier
United Kingdom
556 Posts |
Posted - 24 Jun 2010 : 07:35:24
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Are you so insecure about your religion or something? Why are you so offended by my remarks you have to come up with your usual waffle and hate? You are very insecure and more so about your religion that’s why you take every comment to heart just to reaffirm you are muslim. That comment of mine made no reference to islam so why bring it up?
I bet the usual liberal do gooders who like to call me intolerant would not come and castigate you for your intolerant views. Some of them are muslims of course so that’s understandable but others are not and would not dare say anything against intolerant muslims on this forum. You see what I am saying. Anyone can insult the Sereres but no one would say anything but speak against islam the usual suspects jump on the band wagon. Some people just have no honour or principles.
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Tamsier
Serere heritage. Serere religion. Serere to the end.
Roog a fa ha. |
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mansasulu
997 Posts |
Posted - 24 Jun 2010 : 15:42:40
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Kobo,
Serere Animism is a dying phenomenon. I thank Allah everyday for guiding and giving my forefathers the foresight to leave this way of life and come to the straight path. ALLAHU AKBAR! |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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tamsier
United Kingdom
556 Posts |
Posted - 24 Jun 2010 : 18:13:55
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| There goes one hypocrite who doesn't practice what he preaches. ANYBODY ELSE? |
Tamsier
Serere heritage. Serere religion. Serere to the end.
Roog a fa ha. |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 24 Jun 2010 : 18:38:28
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A bigot complains about the intolerance and criticism from another religion with no creditability. The bigot now seeks for compassion and tolerance from others.
Kobo and Mansa
It is much better approach not to interfere with others religions. One of my friend, very good Muslim, advise me once that, best way to promote Islam is 'living it and showing by living Islam you are happy, prosperous and successful, and not to make comments about others' religion. What was said in Islam, your religion is yours, my religion is mine. Let us hope the bigot is taught to be respectful. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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tamsier
United Kingdom
556 Posts |
Posted - 24 Jun 2010 : 19:34:51
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This mamluk still address me no matter how often I’ve told him to get back to the hole that he came from. Still joining my threads like the common trash he is. Of course this is typical of the Arab race, treat them like the dirt they really are and they come back for more - begging you to degrade them even further. Treat them like gods and they enslave you. Well get this filthy arab, my direct ancestors were not slaves and this Serere bows to no arab unlike the usual suspects here. Get back to that slave who-re of yours whom you have bought from your trip to the Gambia and ask her to serve you. Whist you are at it, ask her parents to serve you as well since they have no objection selling their daughter to an arab. Remember this! This Serere comes from the house of honour and never expect him to be one of you herd of slaves. We have nothing in common. Remember that! You drunkard hypocrite muslim. Feel free to repeat your usual gabbage. I will not honour you by responding to it. Enjoy this last post.
I now await the slaves to come to the defence of their arab master.
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Tamsier
Serere heritage. Serere religion. Serere to the end.
Roog a fa ha. |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 24 Jun 2010 : 20:10:04
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Oh, I was talking to mansa and kobe. I mentioned 'bigot'. It is good to recognize whom you are.
Congrats... Not only you proved to be a bigot one more time, you also proved to be that you are a sub-human. Normally i am no darwinist, but when i see samples like you, i have doubts if the darwin is correct or not. Only sub-humans are for their kind. We, humans have compassion for those kind who are not their kind. In Islam, Muslims proud to be part of ummet-i Islam regardless of race, ethnicity, nationality. That is why Islam is universal and diverse, not based on specific race. Muslims proud to have families regardless of ethnicity and race including mixed of serere and european. What a great religion it is. I am no Arab. My position is I am colour blind to any ethnicity and race, unlike your ideology. I categorize you with other sub-humans like white-supremacists. You both have the common. Both hava the ideology based on specific race and religion. Islam goes beyond that. It is irrelevant what is your race and ethnicity. I am glad more serere has realized this and find the correct path.
Gambians, your sisters, mother and daughters proud how you talk about your fellow Gambian woman!!!! I am sure you have the same respect level for your women in the house. I feel sorry for them to be honest. You see how insulting you are. Go home and tell them your mother your accomplishments today. You insulted a woman you don't even know. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
Edited by - turk on 25 Jun 2010 04:59:13 |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 26 Jun 2010 : 13:24:13
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Originally posted by tamsier
Are you so insecure about your religion or something? Why are you so offended by my remarks you have to come up with your usual waffle and hate? You are very insecure and more so about your religion that’s why you take every comment to heart just to reaffirm you are muslim. That comment of mine made no reference to islam so why bring it up?
I bet the usual liberal do gooders who like to call me intolerant would not come and castigate you for your intolerant views. Some of them are muslims of course so that’s understandable but others are not and would not dare say anything against intolerant muslims on this forum. You see what I am saying. Anyone can insult the Sereres but no one would say anything but speak against islam the usual suspects jump on the band wagon. Some people just have no honour or principles.
PLEASE RE-VISIT ALL MY POSTINGS AND QUOTE ANY POINT FROM ME ABOUT HATRED, SLANDER OR MY GUILT ON ANY OFFENSIVE STATEMENTS?
YOU STARTED BY BEING PROVOCATIVE & THE SLANDER AGAINST ISLAM. AM JUST SETTING THE RECORDS STRAIGHT AND DEFENDING MY RELIGION; TO EDUCTAE YOU. ITS PATHETIC TO HEAR YOU CRYING FOUL PLAY IN ORDER TO DIVERT ATTENTION WHEN FACTS ARE BEING TENDERED TO EXPOSE THE TRUTH ABOUT ISLAM. AM NOT BOTHERED ABOUT YOUR ORAL HISTORY & WHAT YOU BELIEF BUT I CANNOT CONDONE ANY DISTORTION AND SLANDER AGAINST ISLAM, PROPHET MUHAMAD (MAY PEACE BE UPON HIM) BEING PROPAGATED. |
Edited by - kobo on 26 Jun 2010 15:02:48 |
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