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tamsier
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 Posted - 26 Jun 2010 : 17:11:54
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Originally posted by kobo
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Originally posted by tamsier
Are you so insecure about your religion or something? Why are you so offended by my remarks you have to come up with your usual waffle and hate? You are very insecure and more so about your religion that’s why you take every comment to heart just to reaffirm you are muslim. That comment of mine made no reference to islam so why bring it up?
I bet the usual liberal do gooders who like to call me intolerant would not come and castigate you for your intolerant views. Some of them are muslims of course so that’s understandable but others are not and would not dare say anything against intolerant muslims on this forum. You see what I am saying. Anyone can insult the Sereres but no one would say anything but speak against islam the usual suspects jump on the band wagon. Some people just have no honour or principles.
PLEASE RE-VISIT ALL MY POSTINGS AND QUOTE ANY POINT FROM ME ABOUT HATRED, SLANDER OR MY GUILT ON ANY OFFENSIVE STATEMENTS?
YOU STARTED BY BEING PROVOCATIVE & THE SLANDER AGAINST ISLAM. AM JUST SETTING THE RECORDS STRAIGHT AND DEFENDING MY RELIGION; TO EDUCTAE YOU. ITS PATHETIC TO HEAR YOU CRYING FOUL PLAY IN ORDER TO DIVERT ATTENTION WHEN FACTS ARE BEING TENDERED TO EXPOSE THE TRUTH ABOUT ISLAM. AM NOT BOTHERED ABOUT YOUR ORAL HISTORY & WHAT YOU BELIEF BUT I CANNOT CONDONE ANY DISTORTION AND SLANDER AGAINST ISLAM, PROPHET MUHAMAD (MAY PEACE BE UPON HIM) BEING PROPAGATED.
I said: 'Long live Serere Animism....'
You then came up accusing us of devil worshipping, enslavement and submission to the High Priest etc. Where did I say anything about Islam in that post which caused you to respond with such hateful terms? Are you that stupid that you can't see those as words of hate? You people have the nerve to accuse me of being intollerant. Take a look at yourselves.
Not only do you show your self to lack any brain cells whatsoever, it is aparent that you can't read. This thread started in reference to muslims who were behaving as criminals and hating others who had nothing to do with them. They are your so called muslim brothers and your silly remarks should be directed at them not me. You have the nerve to question why people can't stand you lot. You muslims have destroyed any unity of Senegambia. Your loyalty is always to the arabs and their religion. Our land and people is second priority as far as your lot are concerned. We Animist Sereres don't see you as our brothers and sisters. We have nothing in common with you lot. We have more in common with other African Animists than you lot whom we share a land with. Damn we have more in common with the Haitians vooduns than you lot. These Africans and Haitians are our brothers and sisters you are not.
Further, I will demolish the pillars of islam if I am pushed to do so and neither you nor your arab masters can stop me. Who the hell are you to tell me what you will tolerate? Slaves like you who bow to the whip of the arabs - trying to dictate to me! Don't make me laugh. Never try to rise above your status. You will not when you adress you arab master so never try it with me. |
Tamsier
Serere heritage. Serere religion. Serere to the end.
Roog a fa ha. |
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turk
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Posted - 26 Jun 2010 : 18:22:54
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A bigot is a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices. The correct use of the term requires the elements of intolerance, irrationality, and animosity toward those of differing beliefs.
The term has evolved to refer to persons hostile to people of differing race, ethnicity, nationality, sexual orientation, and religion in modern English usage. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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tamsier
United Kingdom
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 26 Jun 2010 : 19:11:34
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Tamsier. Can you share with us what SENEWEB covered for this cultural festival please? It would have been more useful to share with us at cultural forum serere animism and the festivals?
I think you are out of order to castigate ISLAM by referring media propaganda, irresponsible or biased journalism (for coverage of Serere cultural festival), Senegambia oral history and its politics?
WHY SWEEPING STATEMENTS AGAINST MUSLIMS (ALL RACES INCLUDED PLUS SERERE) AND SADLY THE WRONG APPROACH TRYING TO COMPARE A CULTURAL HERITAGE OF SPIRITUAL RITUALS WITH ISLAM AS A RELIGION
BY THE WAY HOW CAN WE UNDERSTAND WHO IS ROOG, WHAT ARE THE POWERS AND WHAT ARE THE UNIQUE ATTRIBUTES FROM THESE STATEMENTS QUOTED BELOW
"Our religion is not only a mere religion but a way of life - governed by ancient customs and traditions. We share virtually many aspects with all African Animism. Our religion predates both Christianity and Islam even Judaism itself. Roog is our supreme deity but we also have other lesser Gods – Thiorak, Takar, Mindisse [a Goddess] etc. We pay tribute to the ancient Pangool [spirits who have long departed the physical world]. They are the interceders. The High Priests who are initiated and well learned possess the powers to do this. We also have a long history of herbalism – using herbs and the knowledge passed down from generations beyond memory to cure certain ailments even the Senegalese government recognises this and set up an Herbalist School in order to encourage, preserve, learn and teach this ancient knowledge to the next generation. We used the movements of the sun and the moon to determine the date of our numerous Holy Festivals. Of course we didn’t have a Calender like the Gregorian Calender in ancient times but what we did have was a holy stick with markers to date how many winter months have passed. That was for the safe keeping of the highest of the Priestlihood. This was how our forefathers dated events etc. Our religious festivals are more numerous than the religious events of all the Abrahamic religions put together. Some of which are:"
I LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR DEMOLITION OF PILLARS OF ISLAM |
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Moe
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Posted - 26 Jun 2010 : 20:31:55
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Tamsier I know my history and the role every religion played within our region. I will be a blinded fool not to acknowledge the role of Islam in general. I know my history and I know for a fact even in The Gambia I have seen Castrated Black males from mauritania and else were . As a kid I knew they were slaves and castrated by Arabs to curb their strong ungovernable sexual appetites as is widely believed when it comes to black men. Trust me Tam your creed is as endangered as the Jews themselves or quite possibly worst since their plight has never been addressed. The question is what happened to all the African religions that existed prior to the Islamization of West Africa?...................................................................Peace
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOs_iv6djhk&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNwhbo451YM&feature=related
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Originally posted by tamsier
Really! Take a look at your people's actions [arabs] then take a look at me and tell me who is the worst:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KU48Xvd6dzs&feature=related
http://www.buzzle.com/articles/ecoterra-press-release-288-the-somalia-chronicle-june-december-2009-no-101b.html
Now tell me. Who is worst - your people or mine?
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I am Jebel Musa better yet rock of Gibraltar,either or,still a stronghold and a Pillar commanding direction
The GPU wants Me Hunted Down for what I don't know ..... |
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tamsier
United Kingdom
556 Posts |
Posted - 26 Jun 2010 : 21:11:49
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Originally posted by kobo
Tamsier. Can you share with us what SENEWEB covered for this cultural festival please? It would have been more useful to share with us at cultural forum serere animism and the festivals?
I think you are out of order to castigate ISLAM by referring media propaganda, irresponsible or biased journalism (for coverage of Serere cultural festival), Senegambia oral history and its politics?
WHY SWEEPING STATEMENTS AGAINST MUSLIMS (ALL RACES INCLUDED PLUS SERERE) AND SADLY THE WRONG APPROACH TRYING TO COMPARE A CULTURAL HERITAGE OF SPIRITUAL RITUALS WITH ISLAM AS A RELIGION
BY THE WAY HOW CAN WE UNDERSTAND WHO IS ROOG, WHAT ARE THE POWERS AND WHAT ARE THE UNIQUE ATTRIBUTES FROM THESE STATEMENTS QUOTED BELOW
"Our religion is not only a mere religion but a way of life - governed by ancient customs and traditions. We share virtually many aspects with all African Animism. Our religion predates both Christianity and Islam even Judaism itself. Roog is our supreme deity but we also have other lesser Gods – Thiorak, Takar, Mindisse [a Goddess] etc. We pay tribute to the ancient Pangool [spirits who have long departed the physical world]. They are the interceders. The High Priests who are initiated and well learned possess the powers to do this. We also have a long history of herbalism – using herbs and the knowledge passed down from generations beyond memory to cure certain ailments even the Senegalese government recognises this and set up an Herbalist School in order to encourage, preserve, learn and teach this ancient knowledge to the next generation. We used the movements of the sun and the moon to determine the date of our numerous Holy Festivals. Of course we didn’t have a Calender like the Gregorian Calender in ancient times but what we did have was a holy stick with markers to date how many winter months have passed. That was for the safe keeping of the highest of the Priestlihood. This was how our forefathers dated events etc. Our religious festivals are more numerous than the religious events of all the Abrahamic religions put together. Some of which are:"
I LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR DEMOLITION OF PILLARS OF ISLAM
You see what I was saying. You are not very bright no matter how clever you think you are. Seneweb.com is a Forum as noted in my initial post. Your arrogance to think that I should have deposited my post under the cultural forum instead of the religious forum shows the level of you intelligence quotient as well as your disrespect and ignorance to any other religion which is not islam and more so to Serere Animism. Now I throw your arrogance back to your face you ‘pad’. My religion is superior to your religion islam. My supreme deity Roog, is superior to your god alllah [al illah – the pagan moon god of the arabs]. Now you tell me, who is more honourable:
Animist Sereres who follow the ancient religion and culture of their forefathers or muslims like you who adopt the religion and culture of a foreign land? You are nothing but a slave. Held in bondage by your religion. You are controlled by the arab race using their religion islam as a tool to do so. A slave is what you are. Never forget it! The arabs have tried for centuries to dominate others. In instances where they have failed, they used islam to achieve their goal. Slaves like you ran to their master in submission. The only noble and honourable Africans left are the Animists. Now you tell me. Who is more cowardly?
As for the media, they are in league with the muslim masses who have no objection promoting islam at the expense of Serere Animism. Therefore, my remarks where appropriate.
People like you do not know your history. That’s why you run around like the dogs you are backing from pillar to post. When you cannot find answers in your adopted religion [islam], you revert back to the religion of your forefathers who you insult on a daily basis in order to find answers. Once you find the answers you seek, you revert back to islam and pretend as if nothing has happened like the true hypocrites you are. You will not find such behaviour in orthodox Animist Sereres/ Africans. We go by a code of honour that you will never comprehend. That’s why we are nothing like you. Unlike you, we do not run around with our tails between our legs. Our loyalty is always to the land of our forefathers and not the arabs or their religion. You cannot say the same. I will tell you a secret. Many Animist Sereres and Jolas [but mainly Sereres] have woken up and see you people for what you truly are. I tell you another thing. They are not holding back. The same is true throughout the Animist Diaspora. Even certain African muslims [not in mass numbers of course, but in considerable numbers] are beginning to ask questions and reverting back to Animism or giving it great consideration or choosing atheism – something they would never have thought they would do. In not so distant future, you people will have to choose. The cowards that have converted to islam in the 19th century in masses will have will have their descendants confronted by another thread. I can assure you, the African orthodox Animists including the orthodox Serere and Jola Animists who bravery fought and died in order to preserve their ancient religions and culture against islam have succeeded before [hence the survival of their religion and culture] and will succeed again.
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Tamsier
Serere heritage. Serere religion. Serere to the end.
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tamsier
United Kingdom
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Posted - 26 Jun 2010 : 21:14:51
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Originally posted by Moe
Tamsier I know my history and the role every religion played within our region. I will be a blinded fool not to acknowledge the role of Islam in general. ....
Exactly! Unfortunately, there is an enemy within us [the muslim masses]. |
Tamsier
Serere heritage. Serere religion. Serere to the end.
Roog a fa ha. |
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Moe
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 27 Jun 2010 : 13:10:52
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NEVER MIND YOUR TONE OF LANGUAGE AND INSULTS TAMSIER! JUST TELL ME HOW ISLAM CONDONED SLAVERY? ANYTHING THAT IS DISCOVERED FROM THE HOLY QURAN AND SERMONS FROM PROPHET MUHAMAD
"It's not just the moslem masses, the problem is tolerance and lack of respect for the African and his culture. It's funny Africans are declared a people of a dark nation when civilization first started in Africa. Please watch all the videos associated with Dr John Henrik Clark's interview Part 1-9 Did you know that "Bilal" as portrayed, a slave in Arabia was an Ethiopian lawyer who was sold or captured into slavery......................................................................Peace" quotes from Moe
WHO HAS SHOWN LACK OF TOLERANCE OR RESPECT FOR THE AFRICAN AND HIS CULTURE
This is about LOCAL SENEGAMBIA Xoy Festival of Fatick & Serere Animist like all other cultural heritage; so why the fuss trying to compete or castigate muslims or Islam? This festival covered ceremonial activities, rituals for deity and fun fare. Anyone is free to enjoy himself but certain beliefs and ritual activities are not compatible with certain religions.
IF IT IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH ISLAM THERE IS NO JUSTIFICATION TO BE ANGRY WITH THAT FACT
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tamsier
United Kingdom
556 Posts |
Posted - 27 Jun 2010 : 20:40:06
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I have held numerous discussions on this forum about islam and slavery. I have even used the first video Moe has used before. All my accounts are in the religious section - some of which are titled: Islam! The danger within our midst; The legacy of islam in Africa; etc and my contributions to other people's threads. I suggest you refer to those posts where I lay the evidence for the answers you seek. I have neither the time nor the inclination to repeat them here for people like you.
By the way, it is islam which is not compatable with Serere Animism. |
Tamsier
Serere heritage. Serere religion. Serere to the end.
Roog a fa ha. |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 27 Jun 2010 : 23:49:37
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http://www.africawithin.com/kwaku/afrikan_involvement.htm
http://www.ghanaweb.com/GhanaHomePage/NewsArchive/artikel.php?ID=180999
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saloum
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The military power of Saloum had been built on its involvement in the slave trade and the goods it received from the Europeans in exchange for slaves. After the end of the slave trade it entered the groundnut trade, exporting large quantities of nuts to Europe.
Serere actually made profit on slave trade by selling other Africans. Looks like the ancestor of our well-known bigot made lots of profit selling the other africans to Arabs/Europeans.
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While arriving at Sine, Malinkes brought in the Serer's country the system of the castes, because before their arrival the company serer was a levelling company, without castes - with the exception of the Laman and his family [the royal family] who were at the top of the pecking order.
One of the worst in a society having caste system. Serere society was based on the cast system where there are classes in the society based on your economic and social status. And moving/marriages within caste system were not allowed. The bigotry was already a part of serere society where one social class was superior to others. Islam changed this. Now we know how our bigot became a bigot.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 28 Jun 2010 : 01:02:58
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Originally posted by tamsier
I have held numerous discussions on this forum about islam and slavery. I have even used the first video Moe has used before. All my accounts are in the religious section - some of which are titled: Islam! The danger within our midst; The legacy of islam in Africa; etc and my contributions to other people's threads. I suggest you refer to those posts where I lay the evidence for the answers you seek. I have neither the time nor the inclination to repeat them here for people like you.
By the way, it is islam which is not compatable with Serere Animism.
AS YOU HAVE RAN OUT OF IDEAS THE ONLY WEAPON YOU HAVE IS DIRECT PERSONAL ATTACKS. HOWEVER BEFORE I REVIEW YOUR COMMENTS AGAINST ISLAM LET ME POINT OUT THESE POINTS.
YOU ARE SLEEPING IN SLUMBER AND HAVE NOT SAID ANYTHING THAT CAN PROMOTE SERERE ANIMISM AS A RELIGION. IT IS JUST AS OLD AS OTHER CULTS, WITCH CRAFT AS YOU HAVE RIGHTLY ACKNOWLEDGED TO BE WITH THE SAME STANDARD OF OTHER VOODOO CRAFTS DEEPLY ROOTED IN BLACK MAGIC, SORCERY, PAGANISM & WORSHIP OF DEITY.
YOU APPEAR TO BE A VERY SMART HISTORIAN AND KNEW THERE WERE MORE DEITY WORSHIP IN THE MECCA WHERE ISLAM ORIGINATED. DEITY WORSHIP HAS BEEN IN EXISTENCE SINCE TIMES OF DARK AGES AND LINKED WITH ALL RACES AND CULTURES. SERERE ANIMISM IS NO EXCEPTION WITH FAITH DEEPLY ROOTED IN SUPERSTITION AND FALSEHOOD.
THIS TOPIC RIGHTLY BELONGS TO CULTURAL FORUM BECAUSE THE XOY FESTIVAL IS SAME AS RELATED BANTABA CULTURAL TOPIC THE KING OF CASSAMANCE UNDER http://www.gambia.dk/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=9114
IF YOU WANT US TO STUCK WITH OUR CRUDE CULTURAL WAYS THERE WON'T BE ANY ROOM FOR DEVELOPMENT. ON YOUR AFRICAN OR RACE RHETORICS ASK YOURSELF WHY THEY SENT YOU TO SCHOOL AND LEARN WHAT BELONGS TO EUROPEANS. WHY NOT STAY IN YOUR VILLAGE AND CONTINUE WHAT YOU INHERIT FROM FOREFATHERS AND FOLLOW CUSTOMS AND TRADITIONS |
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tamsier
United Kingdom
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Posted - 28 Jun 2010 : 02:29:37
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To the Mamluk above, posting a link about Africans' participation in the Atlantic Slave Trade is futile. Most Africans know their history and know Africans' involvement in that ghastly trade. We also know that there were Kings and certain tribes involved in the slave trade just as we know the Islamic Marabou Movement of the time was also involved in the trade. We also know that not every tribe or king was involved in that trade just as we know that not every ordinary muslim [who was not a member of the Marabou Movement] was involved in the trade. These are basic facts and nothing more than O'level history. By putting that link here, this demonstrates that this Mamluk [above] knows nothing about our history other than what he googled. First of all, the content of the link is a general synopsis of the Trans Atlantic Slave Trade mostly concerned with West Africa. There is nothing new in that link that I do not already know. I use the first person singular because I am in no doubt that this imbecile was addressing me. As I have told him long ago, I am well versed in the history of my people and do not need an arab commoner to tell me. Coming here with such ridiculous links in order to argue his case just shows the level of his intellect, arrogance and ignorance.The arrogance of the Mamluk to even think he can teach me the history of my people - I find laughable. Furthermore, notice how this Mamluk posted a link about the Atlantic Slave Trade but failed to provide any link about the Sub-Saharan Slave Trade. Of course as we all know the Europeans were involved in the Atlantic Slave Trade. The Sub-Saharan Slave Trade on the other hand was the doing of the Arabs [the people of this Mamluk]. If this Mamluk things he can divert my attention away from the evils of arab then he would be fooling himself. Unlike certain muslims who have a tie to him by virtue of their shared religion [islam], I on the other hand have no ties or loyalty to him nor to islam but to the land of my forefathers. Again, I reiterate to him that I am an Orthodox Serere Animist. Apart from the loyalty to my faith and people, my loyalty is not to islam. Neither is it to Christianity. My loyalty is to the land of my forefathers. In simple terms, I would have no hesitation killing an arab who tries to kill my people or destroy the land of my forefathers. In similarity, I would have no hesitation, sending a Senegambian/African Muslim to the gallows if they are in league with the arabs and treacherously try to launch jihad or implant evil in the land of my forefathers. For anyone of you who is well verse in Senegambian history would remember the mayhem at the Battle of Ngaye as well as the Battle of Naodourou. Using those two examples, historians would of course know what also happened in those incidents. The Serere villagers committed matyrdom when finally defeated rather than succumb to islam. Many of my ancestral distant relatives died in the name of honour in those two battles. I say, any Senegambian muslim that betrays the land of our forefathers in the name of arab imperialism through the door of islam is an enemy of the land and my enemy as well as the enemy of the Animist as well as all those decent Senegambians whose loyalty is to the land and her people irrespective of the religion or tribe they belong.
ARAB!!!! Listen to me and listen to me good. If we are to cross paths in The Gambia and you try introducing arab imperialism through the back door of islam in order to destroy the land of my forefathers as well as kill my people through jihad or terrorism, I will have no hesitation killing you. Further, if you have accomplices even if they are Senegambians, I would have no hesitation killing them too. They ceased to be loyal to the land by virtue of their treachery and therefore, their deaths only make sense.
By the way, Wiki is never a good sources. Of course you wouldn't know that because you are obsessed with Wiki. As I have always said you are truly the Wiki generation.
I suggest you refer to the books I stated previously if you really want to know the Sereres' view, history and culture about slavery. That is, if want to exercise your brain for once.
WIKI! How pathetic!
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Tamsier
Serere heritage. Serere religion. Serere to the end.
Roog a fa ha. |
Edited by - tamsier on 28 Jun 2010 02:39:08 |
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tamsier
United Kingdom
556 Posts |
Posted - 28 Jun 2010 : 02:45:06
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Originally posted by kobo
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Originally posted by tamsier
I have held numerous discussions on this forum about islam and slavery. I have even used the first video Moe has used before. All my accounts are in the religious section - some of which are titled: Islam! The danger within our midst; The legacy of islam in Africa; etc and my contributions to other people's threads. I suggest you refer to those posts where I lay the evidence for the answers you seek. I have neither the time nor the inclination to repeat them here for people like you.
By the way, it is islam which is not compatable with Serere Animism.
AS YOU HAVE RAN OUT OF IDEAS THE ONLY WEAPON YOU HAVE IS DIRECT PERSONAL ATTACKS. HOWEVER BEFORE I REVIEW YOUR COMMENTS AGAINST ISLAM LET ME POINT OUT THESE POINTS.
YOU ARE SLEEPING IN SLUMBER AND HAVE NOT SAID ANYTHING THAT CAN PROMOTE SERERE ANIMISM AS A RELIGION. IT IS JUST AS OLD AS OTHER CULTS, WITCH CRAFT AS YOU HAVE RIGHTLY ACKNOWLEDGED TO BE WITH THE SAME STANDARD OF OTHER VOODOO CRAFTS DEEPLY ROOTED IN BLACK MAGIC, SORCERY, PAGANISM & WORSHIP OF DEITY.
YOU APPEAR TO BE A VERY SMART HISTORIAN AND KNEW THERE WERE MORE DEITY WORSHIP IN THE MECCA WHERE ISLAM ORIGINATED. DEITY WORSHIP HAS BEEN IN EXISTENCE SINCE TIMES OF DARK AGES AND LINKED WITH ALL RACES AND CULTURES. SERERE ANIMISM IS NO EXCEPTION WITH FAITH DEEPLY ROOTED IN SUPERSTITION AND FALSEHOOD.
THIS TOPIC RIGHTLY BELONGS TO CULTURAL FORUM BECAUSE THE XOY FESTIVAL IS SAME AS RELATED BANTABA CULTURAL TOPIC THE KING OF CASSAMANCE UNDER http://www.gambia.dk/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=9114
IF YOU WANT US TO STUCK WITH OUR CRUDE CULTURAL WAYS THERE WON'T BE ANY ROOM FOR DEVELOPMENT. ON YOUR AFRICAN OR RACE RHETORICS ASK YOURSELF WHY THEY SENT YOU TO SCHOOL AND LEARN WHAT BELONGS TO EUROPEANS. WHY NOT STAY IN YOUR VILLAGE AND CONTINUE WHAT YOU INHERIT FROM FOREFATHERS AND FOLLOW CUSTOMS AND TRADITIONS
If you are insecure about yourself or religion that is not my concern but yours. There was no personal attack in my previous post to you. You on the other hand were the one being insulting and repeating the same things over and over again. I suggest you come back when you have something new and factual to say.
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Tamsier
Serere heritage. Serere religion. Serere to the end.
Roog a fa ha. |
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turk
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3356 Posts |
Posted - 28 Jun 2010 : 02:50:47
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quote:
Originally posted by tamsier
To the Mamluk above, posting a link about Africans' participation in the Atlantic Slave Trade is futile. Most Africans know their history and know Africans' involvement in that ghastly trade. We also know that there were Kings and certain tribes involved in the slave trade just as we know the Islamic Marabou Movement of the time was also involved in the trade. We also know that not every tribe or king was involved in that trade just as we know that not every ordinary muslim [who was not a member of the Marabou Movement] was involved in the trade. These are basic facts and nothing more than O'level history. By putting that link here, this demonstrates that this Mamluk [above] knows nothing about our history other than what he googled. First of all, the content of the link is a general synopsis of the Trans Atlantic Slave Trade mostly concerned with West Africa. There is nothing new in that link that I do not already know. I use the first person singular because I am in no doubt that this imbecile was addressing me. As I have told him long ago, I am well versed in the history of my people and do not need an arab commoner to tell me. Coming here with such ridiculous links in order to argue his case just shows the level of his intellect, arrogance and ignorance.The arrogance of the Mamluk to even think he can teach me the history of my people - I find laughable. Furthermore, notice how this Mamluk posted a link about the Atlantic Slave Trade but failed to provide any link about the Sub-Saharan Slave Trade. Of course as we all know the Europeans were involved in the Atlantic Slave Trade. The Sub-Saharan Slave Trade on the other hand was the doing of the Arabs [the people of this Mamluk]. If this Mamluk things he can divert my attention away from the evils of arab then he would be fooling himself. Unlike certain muslims who have a tie to him by virtue of their shared religion [islam], I on the other hand have no ties or loyalty to him nor to islam but to the land of my forefathers. Again, I reiterate to him that I am an Orthodox Serere Animist. Apart from the loyalty to my faith and people, my loyalty is not to islam. Neither is it to Christianity. My loyalty is to the land of my forefathers. In simple terms, I would have no hesitation killing an arab who tries to kill my people or destroy the land of my forefathers. In similarity, I would have no hesitation, sending a Senegambian/African Muslim to the gallows if they are in league with the arabs and treacherously try to launch jihad or implant evil in the land of my forefathers. For anyone of you who is well verse in Senegambian history would remember the mayhem at the Battle of Ngaye as well as the Battle of Naodourou. Using those two examples, historians would of course know what also happened in those incidents. The Serere villagers committed matyrdom when finally defeated rather than succumb to islam. Many of my ancestral distant relatives died in the name of honour in those two battles. I say, any Senegambian muslim that betrays the land of our forefathers in the name of arab imperialism through the door of islam is an enemy of the land and my enemy as well as the enemy of the Animist as well as all those decent Senegambians whose loyalty is to the land and her people irrespective of the religion or tribe they belong.
ARAB!!!! Listen to me and listen to me good. If we are to cross paths in The Gambia and you try introducing arab imperialism through the back door of islam in order to destroy the land of my forefathers as well as kill my people through jihad or terrorism, I will have no hesitation killing you. Further, if you have accomplices even if they are Senegambians, I would have no hesitation killing them too. They ceased to be loyal to the land by virtue of their treachery and therefore, their deaths only make sense.
By the way, Wiki is never a good sources. Of course you wouldn't know that because you are obsessed with Wiki. As I have always said you are truly the Wiki generation.
I suggest you refer to the books I stated previously if you really want to know the Sereres' view, history and culture about slavery. That is, if want to exercise your brain for once.
WIKI! How pathetic!
Bigot would kill!!!!! I never scared of cowards. Don't make me laugh. You already failed to defend and lost. Serere has no political, economical, cultural and social impact now. Even tobaski was replaced by Islamic version. They are basically disappearing from the earth, only cultural festivals, we observe them as part of show for entertainment. I am looking forward to see them in a hotel. I am hoping you are one of them to entertain the tourists as well. If you defend it, this would not happened. You would not be hiding in the bush. You can only stand against women and insult them. You are coward, only bully in the internet world. You have no manner and respect anyone. Look, this is not a caste system within your society. You must show respect others who are equal to you. Bigotry is only within your sect. As I told you, you are disappointment for being sexist, racist bigot.
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If we are to cross paths in The Gambia and you try introducing arab imperialism through the back door ....
Hello!! Gambia is already Muslim, there is not need for introduction.... You declared 90 percent of Gambians who are Muslims enemy. LOL. Yes, in bantaba you can kill, insult Gambian women. But you can't talk like that in Gambia. You would be hiding in the bush when you see my Gambian brothers. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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