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turk
USA
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 Posted - 16 Jun 2010 : 19:58:01
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I remember in Turkey for example, political parties can't accept donation from non-Turkish organizations/individuals. I think USA has similar rules. Is there similar regulations for political parties in Gambia?
Also, isn't is unfair in terms of competition of political party which may have link to i.e. Iran to have influence in Gambian politics just because they have money?
Is UDP-UK a constitutional under the Gambian law? Does Gambian Government audit this organization funding?
How can be a Gambian organization that is registered/operating in UK? When they collect this money, is it a British receipt? When donate this money to UDP, who is giving the money? An organizaiton from UK? It may Gambian in terms of 'agenda' and 'members' but it is a British Organization in terms of 'legal entity'. Isn't it operating in UK. No? So I am not sure if you are correct. I do not think it is Gambian.
Can political organization exist out of Gambia according to political party laws? That would be nice to get some information on this.
So my argument has two parts. Legal argument: Can a political party in Gambia get funds from other countries? I.e. can they get fund from Taliban?
Political Argument: Should parties be allowed to get funding from foreign countries?
All my questions are legit. And the discussion was contaminated when the below was posted!
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And please keep your "taliban" politics to yourself, and out of Gambian politics.
It is so obvious that taliban here hypothetical/ supposed to demonstrate the potential dangerous issue of having non-regulated political party funding scheme. And why am I taliban? I am secular, liberal and against all sort of radicalism. I am not promoting neither Islamic Ideology nor I have any methodology taliban is using such as violence. I have never endorse the politics by Taliban. Associating me with taliban has no base, to be honest, it is stupid. It is a profiling as I am from middleeastern and I am fundamentalist. And I have right to express my thought including Gambian politics. Who are you telling me what to post and what not.
And one party official is showing off for 100G. Don't make me laugh. 100G is very small amount of money.
Below is the total content of the UDP webportal. That is a shame. The party claiming the lead the nation can't even design a website, nowadays, 10 years old kids do.
Look at the
http://www.udpgambia.org/
And the
http://www.udpgambia.com
A party has a web site with .com. Welcome to our business. lol. Our so-called-wanna-be clueless party official should get the following.
www.udp.gm
domain with gambian content. Does it make sense clueless party official?
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Welcome the the new home of United Democratic Party. We hope to engage the public on the issues of concern to all Gambians.
Feel free to contact us for any ideas and suggestions you have for the party via our Contact page.
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"GAMBIA, SUNU REW. NYO KO MOM"
Let's all Get Involved to have a say in the future of The Gambia!
Coming Soon!
Party Manifesto of Programs and Policies:
Coming Soon!
Gambian News Papers:
The Gambia Journal -http://www.thegambiajournal.com
The Gambia Echo -http://www.thegambiaecho.com
Gainako -http://www.gainako.com
Freedom -http://www.freedomnewspaper.com
Senegambia News -http://www.senegambianews.com
The Gambia Daily -http://www.dailynews.gm
The Point -http://www.thepoint.gm
Foroyaa -http://www.foroyaa.gm
Other News Orgs:
BBC -http://www.bbc.co.uk
CNN -http://www.cnn.com
Gambia-L Discussion List -http://listserv.icors.org/SCRIPTS/WA-ICORS.EXE?A0=gambia-l&D=1&T=0
UDP Party Bureau
1a Blain Street
Banjul, The Gambia
Phone: (220)4201730 / Fax: (220)4224601
Email: info@udpgambia.com or udpgam@gmail.com
I have noticed something. The website has the link of the newspapers and one newspaper is missing. That is
http://observer.gm/
Do you know why? Because this newspaper favors the Government and UDP excluded that newspaper from the list. What a democratic perspective on the freedom of press. Any comment, so-called-party-official? |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
Edited by - turk on 17 Jun 2010 04:33:35 |
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Moe
USA
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Posted - 17 Jun 2010 : 07:46:52
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Senegambia, Personally speaking I think he is a good friend of The Gambia in regards to the clarifications and objectivity. If I said it, then ya'll say Jammeh bought me, so lets see how effective the Turk man is going to be. He is right in one aspect, that the UDP party accepts sponsorship from terrorist organizations and is affiliated with non entities and enemies of the State, Note I did not say "Jammeh" I said enemies of the STATE. Whats the deal with that OMISSION was it deliberate or just an insult to the Daily observer, I think GRTS is also on their list . UDP is a hopeless party and led by hopeless individuals thats for sure. This is the funniest part Santafara a UDP representative "INahdilaye".....................................Peace |
I am Jebel Musa better yet rock of Gibraltar,either or,still a stronghold and a Pillar commanding direction
The GPU wants Me Hunted Down for what I don't know ..... |
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Janko
Gambia
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Posted - 17 Jun 2010 : 11:28:09
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turk,
am still waiting for information about “state subsidies” to political parties, hence you are advocating for fairness in politics … what say you?
And stop HACKING the UDP homepage, it is illegal in Gambia |
Clean your house before pointing a finger ... Never be moved by delirious Well-wishers in their ecstasy |
Edited by - Janko on 17 Jun 2010 12:47:57 |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 17 Jun 2010 : 12:34:51
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Mr Fault Finder Turk! You see, I knew, you are not serious about genuinely discussing the "external" funding of political parties in Gambia because you can't even stick to the issue. Look, there is a lot of distractions in your posting like the website issue and the "showing off for 100G" thing. But I leave those bits for UDP to respond to.
Moe, welcome aboard. You're a sell-out anyway so just spit it out, we can handle your crap, LOL. You see Moe, Turk needs your help where you share common grounds. Don't stay on the sidelines thinking "effective". He'll be crushed before you can rescue...
No hard feelings guys |
Tesito
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 17 Jun 2010 : 14:30:03
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Originally posted by Janko
turk,
am still waiting for information about “state subsidies” to political parties, hence you are advocating for fairness in politics … what say you?
And stop HACKING the UDP homepage, it is illegal in Gambia
Here we go, passage from the Turkish Constitution about the state aid to the parties. I could not find the details of the aid regulation, but the state helps parties with some formula determining the amount of money, based on the last election result, number of the party members and number of the branches in different election posts...
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...........The state shall provide the political parties with adequate financial means in an equitable manner. The financial assistance to be extended to political parties, as well as procedures related to collection of membership dues and donations are regulated by law.
B. Principles to be Observed by Political Parties
ARTICLE 69. (As amended on October 17, 2001)
The activities, internal regulations and operation of political parties shall be in line with democratic principles. The application of these principles is regulated by law.
Political parties shall not engage in commercial activities.
The income and expenditure of political parties shall be consistent with their objectives. The application of this rule is regulated by law. The auditing of the income, expenditure and acquisitions of political parties as well as the establishment of the conformity to law of their revenue and expenses, methods of auditing and sanctions to be applied in the event of unconformity shall also be regulated by law. The Constitutional Court shall be assisted in performing its task of auditing by the Court of Accounts. The judgments rendered by the Constitutional Court as a result of the auditing shall be final.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
Edited by - turk on 17 Jun 2010 14:31:00 |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 17 Jun 2010 : 14:39:03
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Senegambia
If you and the mr.wannabe, focused on the message and the discussion rather than 'me' the messenger we could have had healthy discussion. No?
Also, I am a devil. I am a bad man. I am not in popularity contest. I speak my mind regardless if I am going to be liked or not. I also give you credit and appreciate your position and expressing your displeasure about me and further profiling me based on my ethnic background and joining mr.party official pointing my ethnic background with the 'turks' innuendo. I love to know my enemies.... :)
Let me clarify: My ethnic background has nothing to do with me. I am a natural born bad man. It is all about me. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
Edited by - turk on 17 Jun 2010 16:53:44 |
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Senegambia
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Posted - 17 Jun 2010 : 19:31:18
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Turk, if you read my postings properly you will see no mention of ethnicity. I would like to think we are all better than that. I only asked you to stop bringing in terms like Taliban in political discussions. The same way I asked Moe to be careful of using words like Terrorism/Terrorist as he was at the peak of a heated discussion with you. Those terms are only mere exaggerations with no relevance to most topics in here. I do not debate with emotion. However, if I fundamentally disagree, I will stand up and debate with devotion.. Just like I am doing.
You mentioned yourself that you're just being devil's advocate. Well, no one likes devils' advocates! But that does not mean they are "devilish" themselves. They even command some peoples' respect for been brave enough to stand out. Me and you may disagree now and in the future but I believe we can still hang out and have a good time..
Cheers! |
Tesito
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 17 Jun 2010 : 21:44:49
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| Taliban is reality and I don't see no harm bringing to highlight the issue. It may have been hypothetical extreme example and exaggeration, but for the purpose of political point it has no harm. I did not associate UDP with taliban. Besides you have no authority to dictate your methods and standards of the discussion. When you did I react. Sorry for the being hard on your but I am not as nice as you are. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Moe
USA
2326 Posts |
Posted - 18 Jun 2010 : 06:34:55
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| Hey men, Look Senegambia I am a story teller and telling stories is what I do. How can I see terrorist activities and little terrorist boys runing around and you want me to say Freedom fighter. Tell me one person out of the whole lot who fits the profile of a freedom fighter. Either you are a freedom fighter like Mandela or a terrorist. You can wear a skirt, Chaya , Haftan, even Ebadou but you are still a terrorist. Thats just what it is no in between or half and half either you are or you not. This is what am telling you if it says Newspaper online and it is not based out of Gambia trust Moe on this, they are Terrorist.....................................................Peace |
I am Jebel Musa better yet rock of Gibraltar,either or,still a stronghold and a Pillar commanding direction
The GPU wants Me Hunted Down for what I don't know ..... |
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Janko
Gambia
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Posted - 18 Jun 2010 : 17:26:52
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Thanks, turk,
for the information, the Turkish solution of party subsidies is a good and constructive system. Have you not yet found what the Gambian constitution says about party subsidies, hence all you references are regarding who could/should donate?
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Clean your house before pointing a finger ... Never be moved by delirious Well-wishers in their ecstasy |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 18 Jun 2010 : 17:48:02
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Gambian law restricts contribution from non-Gambian individuals and corporation. In my opinion, following ideas may be beneficial.
1. Restriction of foreign citizen/companies/NGOs funding political parties should continue.
2. Companies should be restricted from the political party funding.
3. Government should subsidize political parties based on some formula.
4. The Gambians living out of Gambia should be able to donate money to Political parties but that has to have a regulation. For example, they may be able to do it in Gambian Embassy confirming their citizenship. Or other way to make sure the confirmation of citizenship.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 18 Jun 2010 : 17:58:39
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I went to the UDP webpage as linked by TURK and to see under the heading of manifisto this:
"Friday, June 18, 2010
Party Manifesto of Programs and Policies:
Coming Soon!"
It is hardly inspiring people to vote for this party.
Under the heading of get involved are these words:
"Friday, June 18, 2010
Let's all Get Involved to have a say in the future of The Gambia!
Coming Soon!"
Again not a rallying call for a political party.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 18 Jun 2010 : 20:01:44
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Toubab
Why are you so hard on them? Maybe they are still trying to figure out how to use 2000plus sterling they collected. Or they do not have any manifesto of programs of policies.
OK, let me provide you technical expertise about publishing manifesto. I am assuming they have a computer! And their supposed manifests are stored in a file. Also, they have access to their own website environment. They just need to copy and paste the manifest file to the webserver. They edit the link. This usually takes 2 Minutes!!! If they do not have an expertise. I am offering help. Or I have a 9 years old cousin he can help also.
And the second part is funny. When others involve by raising an political issue, mr-wannabe-party-official found the issue not worth to comment. I guess they know what the public wants already. The party official has NOTHING to say about political party financing.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
Edited by - turk on 18 Jun 2010 20:06:50 |
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Janko
Gambia
1267 Posts |
Posted - 18 Jun 2010 : 20:02:25
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turk
I agree, if there is state financial assistance in place, absolutely, but if not, then ...
Toubab2010,
you are unlucky for turk was there before you, you came after he’d hacked the site. I know he does not like UDP/-UK but that is no reason to sabotage. So as a buddy, tell him that is punishable by law in Gambia, for he would not listen to me .
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Edited by - Janko on 18 Jun 2010 20:04:31 |
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