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turk
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 Posted - 18 Jun 2010 : 20:10:42
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Janko
While state subsidy is a must, state subsidy exist or not, there should be restriction/regulation to foreign transactions.
P.S. I don't have any problem with UDP-UK. I am actually familiar with the leader of UDP and he is a fine gentleman. I have problem with this clueless-wanna-be-politician. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Janko
Gambia
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Posted - 18 Jun 2010 : 20:31:16
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turk,
you are still not coming up with information about "state subsidies to PPs in Gambia. Without that piece of the puzzle our discussion is doomed. Let me put it this way; is there a system of subsidies to PPS in Gambia?
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Clean your house before pointing a finger ... Never be moved by delirious Well-wishers in their ecstasy |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 18 Jun 2010 : 21:22:47
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I could not find any information on the net about state subsidies for political parties in Gambia. I do not think there are subsidies. For me, out come of this discussion.
- Gambia restricts the non-Gambian/corporate funding for Political Parties.
- It is absolutely essential for political parties to get funding from the Government.
- There is no audit mechanism for political party funding campaing abroad.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 18 Jun 2010 : 22:42:34
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Janko,thanks for the update toubab2010 instead of the old toubab1020  a genuine question,how can a www site be secret? that is surely the point of a www site to give one exposure or make communication with millions. I am curious why you would write that Turk hacked into a www site,Is access to certain www sites not allowed in The Gambia? I am not stirring things up I don't understand.
TURK is not my buddy,sometimes he has sensible things to write othertimes not so sensible,this topic is getting very technical,hard facts about the UDP in relation to their policies and manifesto are hard to come by.
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Originally posted by Janko
turk
I agree, if there is state financial assistance in place, absolutely, but if not, then ...
Toubab2010,
you are unlucky for turk was there before you, you came after he’d hacked the site. I know he does not like UDP/-UK but that is no reason to sabotage. So as a buddy, tell him that is punishable by law in Gambia, for he would not listen to me .
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Janko
Gambia
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Posted - 19 Jun 2010 : 00:16:19
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Yes, turk,
the three points you mention are the important aspects of the discussion, I agree with you on that. What I think is questionable is how you arrange them, the chronology; The arrangement I would choose is;
1. State subsidies to political parties
2. Audit mechanism for party funds
3. Restrictions for non-Gambian/corporate funding for Political Parties
I my arrangement my number one is your number two because it is the foundation on which the rest is built. Thereafter, my number two is your number three, hence after giving subsidies to political parties it would be necessary to have a control instance, “audit mechanism” in place, not before. Last on my list comes your number one. If the state, for the sake of fair play and democrativity takes the expenses of political parties on itself it is responsible to scrutinise their financial status, no question about that. The question is why did you start with restricting non-Gambian/corporate funding for Political Parties, before a state funding system?
Did it not occur to you that UDP-UK may have taken note of your call for more action and less rhetoric?
Lastly, it is very interesting that you came up with a handful of web-addresses on the distrustful and punitive aspects of illicit party funding but not a single web-address or piece of information about subsidies to political parties in Gambia. What does that tell?
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Clean your house before pointing a finger ... Never be moved by delirious Well-wishers in their ecstasy |
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Janko
Gambia
1267 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jun 2010 : 00:28:13
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Toubab,
Sorry,I did not mean to update you against your will.
I mean, to delete or replace the content, or hijack a website that is not yours, is punishable by law in Gambia, how about in England
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Clean your house before pointing a finger ... Never be moved by delirious Well-wishers in their ecstasy |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jun 2010 : 03:43:19
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Janko
I did not list the items based on an order. I did not order that way purposely. I think your order is fine. I am not holy, my words are not holy. I am open for discussion. If you read my initial posts and questions, it was not like statement, it was more like initiating a discussion, don't you think? I am all for debate.
All the websites are related to points I raised. There is no information about subsidies political parties in Gambia. That is not my fault. it is Gambian public that they don't have any information. Maybe it has never been discussed before and there is not study about it. I can't be exclusive about the information I provide. There are other parties in this discussion. I post what I found. Other parties, including you, to free to post any site, information, supporting argument, counter argument, facts. So, I don't really get your point like questioning my hidden agenda or approach. What are you saying really? You want to discuss the issue or you wanna discuss about 'turk'. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 19 Jun 2010 : 10:41:50
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Name,no problem,amusing ,Are you writing that TURK has obtained control of the webpage that I viewed from his link (http://www.udpgambia.com/ )and deleted the information that was put there by the UDP ? or that that link did not go to the correct UDP website? I do not know if such actions as "to delete or replace the content, or hijack a website " are offences in England,but of course there are lawyers who will find a case to answer in any court if the client has enough money to pay their fees  .
Janko my question to you is simple, was the webpage that the link posted by TURK pointed to genuine in the content that was displayed there on the day the link was posted?
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Originally posted by Janko
Toubab,
Sorry,I did not mean to update you against your will.
I mean, to delete or replace the content, or hijack a website that is not yours, is punishable by law in Gambia, how about in England
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Janko
Gambia
1267 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jun 2010 : 11:21:03
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turk,
it is very interesting that there is no information about party subsidies in Gambia,yet, don’t you
toubab,
my question; is it UDP´s official homepage or something else ?
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toubab1020
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Posted - 19 Jun 2010 : 12:10:23
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Thanks for that clarification,I do not know,only the UDP can answer that,all I will write is that is appears to promote the UDP videos of meetings and be quite professionally designed with contact details displayed but very little other content,which I find a little surprising knowing that all politicians in the world seem to enjoy writing lots and lots of glowing words about what they promise,when in power some or all of these promises are unfilled,due to "changing times" changing "availability of funds" or " I am sorry you misunderstood the words that were written". To sum up then MAYBE this somewhat empty website is very advanced,there being no questions that could be asked when the promises are unfilled when the party is in power.Somewhat thought provoking
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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toubab1020
12314 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jun 2010 : 12:14:15
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"you wanna discuss about 'turk'" That would make a good topic I am sure
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Originally posted by turk
Janko
I did not list the items based on an order. I did not order that way purposely. I think your order is fine. I am not holy, my words are not holy. I am open for discussion. If you read my initial posts and questions, it was not like statement, it was more like initiating a discussion, don't you think? I am all for debate.
All the websites are related to points I raised. There is no information about subsidies political parties in Gambia. That is not my fault. it is Gambian public that they don't have any information. Maybe it has never been discussed before and there is not study about it. I can't be exclusive about the information I provide. There are other parties in this discussion. I post what I found. Other parties, including you, to free to post any site, information, supporting argument, counter argument, facts. So, I don't really get your point like questioning my hidden agenda or approach. What are you saying really? You want to discuss the issue or you wanna discuss about 'turk'.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Santanfara
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Posted - 19 Jun 2010 : 13:38:01
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An interesting exchanges. It is very good to see two alleged non-Gambians paying this much attention to Gambian internal politics, sometimes even more than Gambians. The internet, an interesting place for master disquise.
Janko I enjoyed your pointers. The UDP-U.K is a Gambian only members club. All funds raised are from Gambians. I think, non-Gambians have better things to donate their wealth on.
What we have in the Gambia for years is the rulling party using Government vichiles, money, public broadcasting networks, the police, the army, the traditional rullers for their end. The government monopolise everything.
The opposition has no cake to bite. The government eat it all and in fact, make campaign period only one week or two at most, whilst in between the rulling party continue campaigning through diffent methods whilst it stops the opposition from doing.
I thought our non-Gambian, Gambian lovers should have known this fact.
The UDP does not accept donation from foriegn sources. If any foriegner insist to help, then you do it through the IEC.
The party doing unfairness is the rulling party. The Allah's bank is now open for all to see. I hope the west take note. The drug saga coincide with a shortage of foriegn currency in the Gambia. Something is smelling bad, bad. I thank the non-Gambians here.
I am in serious doubt about the Toubabyaa of some folks though... Anyhow, it is all good. We can see double speak, or even triple that.
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jun 2010 : 15:03:03
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Originally posted by Janko
my question; is it UDP´s official homepage or something else ?
Mr. Party Official
Roger that.....
Answer the question.
Roger.... |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 19 Jun 2010 : 16:36:50
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Santafara,I dont quite understand your words,are they referring to me? and if so can you clarify,in simple terms please I assure you that I am not a Gambian.
I too would be extremely interested as to the welfare and whereabouts of my favorite Gambian.I miss his straighforwardness,his common sense,his pride in making justice his paramount objective.
"I am in serious doubt about the Toubabyaa of some folks though... Anyhow, it is all good. We can see double speak, or even triple that."
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Originally posted by Santanfara
An interesting exchanges. It is very good to see two alleged non-Gambians paying this much attention to Gambian internal politics, sometimes even more than Gambians. The internet, an interesting place for master disquise.
Janko I enjoyed your pointers. The UDP-U.K is a Gambian only members club. All funds raised are from Gambians. I think, non-Gambians have better things to donate their wealth on.
What we have in the Gambia for years is the rulling party using Government vichiles, money, public broadcasting networks, the police, the army, the traditional rullers for their end. The government monopolise everything.
The opposition has no cake to bite. The government eat it all and in fact, make campaign period only one week or two at most, whilst in between the rulling party continue campaigning through diffent methods whilst it stops the opposition from doing.
I thought our non-Gambian, Gambian lovers should have known this fact.
The UDP does not accept donation from foriegn sources. If any foriegner insist to help, then you do it through the IEC.
The party doing unfairness is the rulling party. The Allah's bank is now open for all to see. I hope the west take note. The drug saga coincide with a shortage of foriegn currency in the Gambia. Something is smelling bad, bad. I thank the non-Gambians here.
I am in serious doubt about the Toubabyaa of some folks though... Anyhow, it is all good. We can see double speak, or even triple that.
Where is Moses Richard?
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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kobo
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