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toubab1020
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 Posted - 15 Jun 2010 : 01:20:43
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Pleased you are happy here and you are satisfied by Her Majesty,(God Bless Her )however hard times are to come when we the taxpaying public have to make sacrifices to pay for the financial problems that most of the world suffered in the recent past,money will then be tight and doubtless jobs will go and benefits cut or done away with,not all milk and honey in the western countries.
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Originally posted by Nyarikangbanna
Janko,
Don’t worry about Turks. I don't know who told him we have to be registered before we can operate here in the UK. I think he is bit naive. We are a Gambian organisation which under UK's Human Rights Act of 1998 has the right to freedom of Political Association and Assembly, and we are certainly having good time enjoying this inalienable right here and with gratitute. ''God save the Queen''
The Gambian constitution also provides for not only full participation of Gambians overseas in the political process but also the right to vote in any given election. Unfortunately the latter is being denied to us by the ruling APRC for political reasons.
The UK is a free country [not an autocracy] where the rules of registration applies only to businesses and charity organisations and even in that case, they are deliberately made relax and easy to meet that anybody can establish a business or charity organisation in the UK. Nonetheless, the UDP-UK is neither a business entity nor a charity organisation but a pure political organisation. It is also worth mentioning that among UDP-UK membership are several Gambian solicitors.
I must say though, I find the Taliban connotation very offensive and I hope that will be withdrawn. I don’t care about the rest of his [turks] comments for it is pure nonsense that does not worth my comment.
Kind regards
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Karamba
United Kingdom
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Posted - 15 Jun 2010 : 01:24:26
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Whatever, whatever! That's no gentleman's exit out of a genuine discussion. You knew Turk, that when exposed, your last resort is to take on your heels.
You have no case to raise and therefore better off, sleeping well.
Gambian laws are dead. That is why it takes one man to call it whatever, if you know what I mean.
As someone of legal concern, Yaya Jammeh needs you more. At last one person stands to take legal issues seriously this time round. Good to know you care about laws in Gambia. |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 15 Jun 2010 : 08:15:25
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Originally posted by Nyarikangbanna
''If you wish to be elected then you MUST have policies in place on which the electorate can vote,The Electorate should not vote for personalities but for policies,I have not seen any publication that shows ANY policies from ANY of the canditates.Do published policies exist?''-Toubab1020
This is not a fair comment. In the lead up to the 2006 election, all the parties published their programmes and policies. In any case, unless you can show that you own a stake in opposition politics by putting your hand in the process, you have no right to criticise for you have by default, relinquish ownership as a Gambian [that is if you are a Gambian]. So it is better that you don't know published opposition policies exist.
If you want to be heard, you must take ownership by either donating to the opposition or canvass for votes for them. Otherwise, you may forever hold your peace as you have no right or credibility to criticise.
Kind regards
I beg to differ with my "Learned Friend", Nyarikangbanna. The right to criticize a political party or government is a right of citizenship. It is not a privilege of financial contribution.. Every Gambian, at home or abroad, with or without money to give, has an absolute right to criticize any political party or government of the Gambia.
To say otherwise is to indicate some disturbing early signs of autoritarianism. |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 15 Jun 2010 : 10:41:44
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I knew you couldnt resist a topic with law and Gambian politics ...WOW |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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kayjatta
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Posted - 15 Jun 2010 : 10:55:18
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| I tried to remain quiet but couldn't help it, Toubab |
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toubab1020
12314 Posts |
Posted - 15 Jun 2010 : 11:12:36
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A bit like TURK going and then returning to bantaba,
"I tried to remain quiet but couldn't help it,"
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Originally posted by kayjatta
I tried to remain quiet but couldn't help it, Toubab
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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toubab1020
12314 Posts |
Posted - 15 Jun 2010 : 11:15:58
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KARAMBA this applies here 
"long letters and mere political rhetoric."
I borrow a quotation by MOE from another topic(http://www.gambia.dk/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=9185&whichpage=4)
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Originally posted by Karamba
Turk,
Will you please take this weak strings of whatever to the scrap yard. Who are you preaching legality? If you are serious about unlawful conduct, the most unlawful person is there in Gambia needing your service.
You seem to play like people can't tell difference between colours. Do you know the composition of those calling it UDP-UK or other formations? May be, among them, there are those capable of teaching you better legal sense.
For now, since you already know that there is a Gambian organisation that openly donated an amount for the purpose stated, your best place is UK law makers and enforcement agents. Go to the nearest legal contact point and report about what you call whatever.
Who says these people had intention to associate any of those deadly elements you bring up? For anything, it is you who signposts the other direction. It is therefore your full responsibility.
Come up with legal tools to handle this issue. Where is the crime? Ask Yaya Jammeh where he excavates all the diamond and gold to do whatever he is doing. If what Yaya does is no crime, how much crime is there with decent people using their funds for what they believe and doing it so open?
Don't this Gambian organisation not know their legal obligations operating as decent people anywhere in the wide world.
On occasions I have mentioned your rather whatever treatment of Gambian matters and that is now very much evident.
How dare you think so low, Turk?
Go to the laws of Gambia and UK and file a suit. I would not imagine the organisation on this occasion requiring your legal advice or rather coarse surfacing.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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kayjatta
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Posted - 15 Jun 2010 : 11:25:57
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Originally posted by toubab1020
A bit like TURK going and then returning to bantaba,
"I tried to remain quiet but couldn't help it,"
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Originally posted by kayjatta
I tried to remain quiet but couldn't help it, Toubab
Exactly! As soon as I saw that Flotilla topic I knew Turk would have to be dead to remian silent... |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 15 Jun 2010 : 13:17:21
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| I have many fans here, why disappoint them! |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 15 Jun 2010 : 20:12:50
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Toubab1020,
Your full scale of bias is clearly exposed. All the time it was this cunning scheme of pretending you detested politics.
How many people have posted longer strings of what they prefer and yet you only have eyes to see what you wish to see?
To make it even clearer, what I put over here is purely my choice. You, on your good part have better choice, keeping eyes off, especially when you so badly hate politics.
Going to the extent as you have just been doing puts you in the highest rank of bias people.
I stand by all that I ever put up here and no regrets. I will never be influenced by your judgemnent or anyone's for that matter.
You are still free to label my posts according to your thin opinion. That is entirely yours. I am happy with what I stand for and quite at ease.
Do not blame the speaker/writer, be warned by his/her words. Your position is clearly seen, but very unfortunately, nothing to influence mine. Equally, I will never think of counting on your opnion for anything. |
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sab
United Kingdom
912 Posts |
Posted - 15 Jun 2010 : 20:45:38
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The Gambian Constitution
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I already check the constitution. There is no such reference about the donations. One needs to correct me if I am wrong. If needed i can provide the constitution of Gambia. However, if there is a law i.e. Political parties legislation that is something i am interested in.
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there is reference in the constitution see below - it is from my posting on Bantataba 16th April 2006.
Part 7: Political Parties 60 (7) A registered political party shall not receive any contribution or donation to its expenses or otherwise from any person who is not a citizen of The Gambia, or from any corporate or unincorporated body.
How will NADD overcome any repercussions of money donated from ‘Fundraising for NADD in Minnesota’ Or am I looking at this incorrectly?
Bantaba / The Gambian Constitution 16th April 2006
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The world would be a poorer place if it was peopled by children whose parents risked nothing in the cause of social justice, for fear of personal loss. (Joe Slovo - African revolutionary) |
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toubab1020
12314 Posts |
Posted - 15 Jun 2010 : 21:05:53
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KARAMBA I have clearly got up your nose, I do dislike politics.
It is played as a game,but it is a game played with peoples lives and not telling the facts.I don't like that.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 15 Jun 2010 : 21:56:19
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Turk,
there is reference in the constitution see below - it is from my posting on Bantataba 16th April 2006.
Part 7: Political Parties 60 (7) A registered political party shall not receive any contribution or donation to its expenses or otherwise from any person who is not a citizen of The Gambia, or from any corporate or unincorporated body.
How will NADD overcome any repercussions of money donated from ‘Fundraising for NADD in Minnesota’ Or am I looking at this incorrectly?
Thanks sab. I am interested in full text if available.
You see, these wannabe politician have no clue about what is being discussed. Mr. Party official was talking about the UK law. The issue I raised has nothing to do with UK law. Are you a 5 years old trying to play a political game? And further, this wannabe-party-official got offended although my post - nowhere- critical on the UDP, but only initiate the discussion on political party funding scheme. Further this wanna-be-party official got offended with the taliban link and request the withdrawal even though it was explaine
d that taliban example was not associated with the UDP-UK.
The so-called-party-official. Here are some feedback.
- Do you have any idea about public relations? Here is the opportunity for you to engage public and you messed up big time. If I was a chairman I would fire you as a party official because of lack of interpersonal skills and your approach with the audience.
- Get some knowledge about the party system. You had no clue about the issue I raised. As a party official you need to know the rules, regulations and issues about the political party. As a party official you could have pointed about the party's funding scheme. But you have no clue. You should thank to me as I am doing your job to provide information. This is your job. You claim to be a party official.
Here is my suggestion. Leave the UDP and try to find another job where interpersonal skills and political knowledge not required.
I will contact UDP officials and asked them to fire you. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
Edited by - turk on 16 Jun 2010 00:28:04 |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 15 Jun 2010 : 22:03:21
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Sab
For my 'invalid' arguement, there is plenty of discussion/research. I got some info:
http://www.afrimap.org/english/images/documents/file42651a8bb6112.pdf
http://www.iec.gm/files/images/Elections_Decree_78_of_1996.pdf
http://www.freedomnewspaper.com/Homepage/tabid/36/mid/367/newsid367/362/HonHalifa-Sallah-to-grace-the-occasion-via-conference-connect-at-Minnesota-fundraising-show/Default.aspx
Here is some info:
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Section 104 – Participation of political parties in election
(a) Substitute for subsection (3), the following new subsection –
“(3) The number of political parties shall not be limited by law and
every citizen of The Gambia shall have the right freely to choose
whether or not he will become a member of a political party and which
party he will support.”;
(b) Insert immediately after subsection (5), the following new subsections –
“(6) A political party shall be required to –
(a) as occasion may require, declare to the Commission
and the public, its revenues
(b) publish annually, its audited accounts and to lodge a
copy with the Commission.
(7) A political party shall not receive any contribution from any person
who is not a citizen of The Gambia, or from any corporate or
unincorporated body.”.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 15 Jun 2010 : 22:04:35
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Originally posted by toubab1020
KARAMBA I have clearly got up your nose, I do dislike politics.
It is played as a game,but it is a game played with peoples lives and not telling the facts.I don't like that.
Toubab1020,
I agree with you on that bit and clearly understand that when facts surge up politics becomes sour.
In most developed parts of the world, there is still this struggle to get people confident in politicians. |
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