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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 04 May 2010 : 09:48:46
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Originally posted by kayjatta
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Originally posted by Moe
Eh !! "quote:
Originally posted by kayjatta
Okay, got your point...
Oh yeah, UDP always kick butt, Moe. Remember the last presidential election? They kicked butt there too. With 32% (or something like that), they won the elections
Actually what I meant by "okay I got your point" was that Nyari. did not want me to list UDP's strings of failures...
But I hope that they stop attacking Mr. Sallah for no reason and focus on their problems or at least acknowledge his efforts. He is even trying to secure Femi peters' release...
No,I didn't stop you from doing anything. All I advised was that the readership will be intrigued if you should be kind and honest enough, as an insulate PDOIS member/supporter, to chronicle your party's 25yrs history of dogma and absolute failure. What UDP have or have not achieved is exclusively a matter for its general membership.
As far I know, PDOIS is far much older than UDP. It has been around more than a decade before the emergence of the UDP but there still exists a gulf of disparity between UDP’s electoral achievements and that of PDOIS. So why don’t you be kind enough to acknowledge that and even go further to spell out the 25yrs history of Ayatollahs and all the failures associated with it. Those who live in glass house don't throw stones. Besides, PDOIS is not an opponent to UDP. We have only one opponent and that is APRC.
I don't think you deserve serious engagement on Gambian politics because you are naive and extremely out of touch. The fact that you said you cannot recall a single moment when Lawyer Darboe was arrested and detained is a testimony to this. It is therefore better to leave you to wallow in your own sea of delusion and misinformation. No wonder you prefer the APRC tyranny over the prospects of a demcratic Gambia under the stawardship of the United Democratic Party.
What a shame that your naivity resulted in reducing a healthy debate to some sort of silliness; a weakest link of all debates.
Kind regards
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kayjatta
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Posted - 04 May 2010 : 10:26:20
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First of all, there is no prospect of democracy under UDP. UDP, as we come to know it, will always be a tyranny of the so-called majority.
Second of all, PDOIS is not interested in any cheap popularity, pomp or fanfare like UDP is. We do not celebrate Birthday parties for our leaders grinning in front of cameras. We do not fill the ears of our supporters with sounds of sectarian drumbeats, but concrete ideas that will liberate them. If it takes 100 years for them to understand it, we are ready to wait. PDOIS wants to lead a conscious people...
Third of all, under the current electoral system in the Gambia-winner takes all-UDP's 32% votes and PDOIS' 2% votes both means the same thing: Losses. The sooner you guys understands that the better for you.
Fourth of all, if you dispute any assertions I have made, including that "I did not recall a single time Darboe went to jail", please set the record straight. Just remind us when he did go to jail.
Fifth of all, it is futile to antagonize Halifa Sallah; a great citizen and the Gambia's most important politician and opinion leader. Love him or leave him, even if he departs today he will be remembered in Gambian history forever; more than the sum of all the UDP's so-called achievements...
Sixth of all, UDP is a spent force. It is a party centered around one person. After 2011, when the cult (tribal) leader is disqualified by age, the party will wither like its predecesors, PPP, GDP,GPP, and NCP: the dinnossaurs that once ruled the Gambia's political world are all reduced to history. Kooni sembo bi ka labann. Ali teeka teeka kuu . PDOIS is a unique party comprising of unique people who are not power-hungry. After all is said and done, the last one standing will be PDOIS. Mark my words!!! |
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Senegambia
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Posted - 04 May 2010 : 11:37:33
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Originally posted by kayjatta
After all is said and done, the last one standing will be PDOIS. Mark my words!!!
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kayjatta
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Posted - 04 May 2010 : 11:38:04
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 We have just held our congress; when you UDP holds its congress (I don't recall when last they held a congress), then come back I will talk to you more... |
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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
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Posted - 04 May 2010 : 11:47:42
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Kay, you are sick and delusional. I have no doubt that the readership is having a big laugh about your recent tirade. You manifest the mind of a scummy mandinkaphobic here and if you expect me to respond to your nonesense garbage thereby reducing myself to your level, then I have a bridge to sell you in Wuli Nyakoi.
You better go get treatment for you Mandinkaphobic tendencies. It is a disease of mind that you have developed because you are insulate to all other aspects of Gambian politics except the 'Suratul Soveignty of the people' mantra.
Once again, your sick tirade above is another manifestation that you don't worth anybody's time or engagement on a serious debate about Gambian politics. You are not only detached but also retard, insulate and delusional. Instead of talking substance you sought refuge in tribalism by insulting mandinkas.
You deserve a spit on your face for you have disgusted the readership.
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kayjatta
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Posted - 04 May 2010 : 11:52:04
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Santanfara
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Posted - 04 May 2010 : 13:15:33
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Originally posted by kayjatta
Okay, got your point...
Kay
If you cannot recall, the ask. A man of your standing should scrutinise his words before launching errorneously. Darboe was sued by yahya for murder. I wonder where were you when those trials was on.
Tell Yahya he knows where Darboe is. I know you are pulling on legs, but you know how dictators operates, they target the vulnebrable. even gaint America is good at muscling minor powers. Yahya too can arrest certain folks willy nilly, but he knows who to cheapily put behind bars and go to Kanilai. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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maple
United Kingdom
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Posted - 04 May 2010 : 13:34:45
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| Its a pity how we put others to task and when its our turn we run, hide and seek you name them. Well PDOIS survived becuase Jammeh knows give them four more centuries they will still remain a back runner party as they started with litle substance but WORDS beyond the understanding of majority of Gambian electorates hence depending on words to give themselves some thing to measure their success. Talk is cheap. So keep bla bla bla-ing PDOIS as others search for solutions. |
"Don't waste your time with explanations: people only hear what they want to hear" Paulo Coelho. |
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Santanfara
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Posted - 04 May 2010 : 14:19:51
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Originally posted by kayjatta
thanks buddy...
Tuesday, 4 May 2010
UDP Leader's past arrest and Detentions by the Dictators government
(From The Independent (The Gambia) - AAGM)
Byline: Pk Jarju
The number two man in the United Democratic Party leadership has confirmed his release after five days. After five days in police custody in police cells.
Yaya Jallow told The Independent Wednesday that he was just told by the Bundung police to go home after he was held by them for five days in what later passed off as a weekend raid in the homes of members of the UDP leadership among them Ousainou Darboe who is still being held.
Shyngle Nyassi and Lang Marong are still not accounted for, although there is strong suspicion that they are being held at an undisclosed location. …
From The Independent (The Gambia) - AAGM)
Byline: Omar Bah
The final judgment of the appeal case filed by the State against the granting of bail to Ousainou Darboe and co-accused has been preceded by passionate arguments for and against the accused.
The appeal, which was heard Thursday October 24, heard the demand for the court order for the accused not to be arrested should the High Court's decision be nullified
Lawyer Ousman Sillah who led the team for the respondent sought the court's guarantee for the accused person's 'undisturbed liberty if the appeal succeeds'.
Since an application for bail will be pending before the High Court if appeal against the decision succeeds
From The Daily Observer (The Gambia) - AAGM)
Byline: Sidiq Asemota
The criminal trial of Ousainou Darboe and four others charged with the offence of murder resumed yesterday at the High Court in Banjul.
The accused persons, Ousainou Darboe, Shyngle Nyassi, Baba Drammeh, Lang Marong and Rewane Secka, were alleged to have been involved in the murder of one Alieu Njie in June 2000 in Basse, URD while on a political tour of the area.
At the sitting yesterday, Defence Lawyer Ousman Sillah raised the issue of the fundamental rights of the accused persons to elect their mode of trial.
Lawyer Sillah argued that Section 24 subsection 9 of … (From The Daily Observer (The Gambia) - AAGM)
Byline: Omar Bah
The murder trial of UDP leader Ousainou Darboe and four of his supporters, resumed yesterday at the High Court, presided over by Justice AH Tahir.
However, when the case was called up, the DPP, Chief Akomaye Agim, told the court of his unpreparedness for that day's sitting.
He said he was too occupied with the treason trial of Dumo Sarho and others throughout last week. He therefore applied for an adjournment.
The cased was adjourned to the April 2 after the defence counsel raised no objection to the application.
Meanwhile, all but one of the …
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The above snapshot news items are were taken from the independent achieves held by the:
http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/summary_0286-22679503_ITM.
For those who think Ousainou Darboe was never arrested or trial, they should think again. Our apparent dislike of each other's politics shouldn't make us blind to the truth. The killer and criminal presiding in the Gambia is Yahya Jammeh. Let us tackle him peacefully.
Posted by UDP-U.K at 04:58
www.lawyerdarboe.blogspot.com
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Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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kayjatta
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Posted - 04 May 2010 : 15:42:45
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Thanks Santafara for doing some homework. Atleast you are more practical-minded that Nyari whose irrational obsessive hatred-akin to an unresolved oedipal complex-of Halifa Sallah has blinded him to all reality.
Your evidence is essentially flawed however. In my next paper (coming soon), I will put your argument in proper perspective, and prove that your evidence and by extension your party leader did not pass the litmus test. An alleged murderer and one caught up in a security sweep is different from one fighting for freedom and principles... |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 04 May 2010 : 16:45:17
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Originally posted by maple
Its a pity how we put others to task and when its our turn we run, hide and seek you name them. Well PDOIS survived becuase Jammeh knows give them four more centuries they will still remain a back runner party as they started with litle substance but WORDS beyond the understanding of majority of Gambian electorates hence depending on words to give themselves some thing to measure their success. Talk is cheap. So keep bla bla bla-ing PDOIS as others search for solutions.
WHAT ELSE DO YOU WANT THERE ARE PROPER SOUND SOLUTIONS FROM AUDIO HALIFA SALLAH ON GRTS INTERNATIONAL. SERIOUSLY THIS IS NOT "SILLY IDEOLOGY" BUT AN OPEN PROPOSED DEBATE BY HALIFA SALLAH TO CONSIDER STRATEGIES & THE AGENDA FOR 2011 FORTHCOMING GENERAL ELECTIONS; BY ALL THOSE WHO OPPOSED JAMMEH OR CURRENT REGIME
THERE IS DEVIATION FROM DISCUSSION ON HALIFA'S MESSAGES & FRANK DISCUSSION WITH GRTS INTERNATIONAL; AS THE ATTACKS ARE PERSONAL, PREJUDICES, SMEARING CAMPAIGN & CONDEMNATION OF HALIFA NOT TO EXERCISE HIS POLITICAL RIGHTS
WE SHOULD MATURE AND KNEW WHAT IS AT STAKE; TO STOP POLITICS OF CONFRONTATIONS STOP ATTACKING THE MESSENGER AND ADDRESS THE MESSAGE AND PROPOSALS PLEASE
I HAVE SOME PETTY ISSUES TO CLEAR WITH dBaldeh, Nyarikangbanna, Senegambia & Marple BUT I WOULD NOT WASTE ENERGY ON PETTY ISSUES OR HOLD BRIEF FOR ANYONE! HOWEVER WOULD ENDEAVOUR TO CAPTURE & TRANSLATE STATEMENTS FROM THE AUDIO FOR US TO FOCUS ON IT AND THE ISSUES!
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shaka
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Posted - 04 May 2010 : 17:01:35
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How, when and where was the door shut for opposition unity from Mr Sallah's comments? If Agenda 2012 is so unappealing, where is the UDP alternative. The UDP is scared to death to bring forth its agenda for public scrutitiny. The reason why you are busy hating Agenda 2010 and Hlaifa Sallah is because some people are honest enough to put forth their opinion on the way forward. Last time i checked the UDP leader was "not presumptious" to tell Gambians about the UDP's plans and position on the way forward. We are still waiting for the official position of the UDP with months to go before the elections. I know for sure that Ousainou Darboe and the UDP are not mad enough like the that cretin at the Gambia Echo to dare suggest that we should effect an undemocratic coup d'etat to put the UDP in power. He claims to be a democrat, so it will be very interesting to hear what he has to offer Gambians. In the mean time all the surrogate's delusions and halluciations counts for nought.quote:
Originally posted by Nyarikangbanna
Through this interview, Halifa has now shut the door on the possible inclusion of PDOIS in any future ‘‘all party coalition’’. The STGDP must take note of this and re-direct their efforts towards building ‘‘a coalition of the willing’’ that includes all the other parties including PPP-OJ. If they [STGDP] have really broken that umbilical cord that once bond them to NADD, then this shouldn't be a problem, and it is the fierce urgency of now.
There is no point debating the merits or de-merits of Agenda 2011 which, frankly speaking, is a damp squib. Besides, it is a PDOIS thing. It is always going to be either dogmatic in approach or ill-concieved in substance. Unfortunately, Agenda 2011 has both.
Kind regards
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shaka
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Posted - 04 May 2010 : 17:09:12
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Are you sure you have listened to the interview? Otherwise i see no reason why you would be asking the 'how' question when it was asked and answered in the very interview. Is Mr Sallah speaking Mongol or what?quote:
Originally posted by dbaldeh
You cannot continue to play the same old game and expect different results. With all my respect for Halifa and their political ideologies, I disagree with the way they are taking things.
We have heard the same thing over and over every election cycle and we get nothing but the same results.
Agenda 2011 while perfect in a democratic society it is not going to work in the Gambia. Yes, you can go around the country and sensitize electorates to select their own leader, but at the end of the day someone has to lead these people to come to that conclusion. The same successful conclusion the opposition is not able to reach.
They have to answer the question, HOW?
When PDOIS says the people will be empowered to select their own leaders How?
When UDP says Jammeh is going to lose the 2011 elections. How?
What are they doing different.
With all due respect I like Mai Fatty's approach even though I can't verify if he is a legally registered political party without living in the country. He would not respond to an invitation to an interview.
Diplomatic pressure works and it should be the alternative to unwinnable elections.
Tell me something new....
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shaka
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Posted - 04 May 2010 : 17:48:38
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Extremely boring perhaps because your intellectual capacity is very much lcking. A mark of a good leader is to be able to delve into his/her plans and agendas with clarity, precision, consistency and coherence backed by facts, figures and substance. Anyting short is mediocrity and only id*ots celebrate mediocrity. Therefore i'd suggest you enhance your intellectual capacity for better discernment. If your understanding of the English language is so limited then you are an email away from getting Agenda 2011 or anything PDOIS and NADD in a native Gambian language of your choice. You know they are the most accesble people in Gambian politics, don't you. quote:
Originally posted by Senegambia
Maybe it's just me but I've found this interview extremely boring! Misunderstand me right,I think Halifa is a smart individual. BUT I am increasingly getting convinced that all he can do is TALK! If he ever wants to become politically more effective then he needs to keep his answers reasonably short and to the point, both written and otherwise. And some of his analogies are quite a turn-off.
But hey, atleast he is giving interviews. If people have the time and patience to confuse themselves with all the right reasons then fine!
Uff! I am feeling dizzy hear!
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 04 May 2010 : 17:57:39
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FOR HEALTHY PROPER POLITICAL DEBATE, PLEASE FOCUS ATTENTION & ADDRESS HALIFA ON GRTS AUDIO TRANSLATION
GRTS"Welcome to GRTS International Broadcasting from Sylvaston Maryland in United States Of America. This is the Gambian experience and thanks for joining us. In this week's programme we will be talking to Mr. Halifa Sallah a Sociologist and former flag bearer of the opposition NADD Party. On the line from Banjul Mr Sallah welcome to GRTS International. Welcome to the Gambian experience."
Mr. Halifa Sallah "Thank you very much."
GRTS "Last year you came up with a proposal on how the Gambian political opposition is to participate in the coming 2011 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS. Under normal circumstances political parties come together on the BASIS OF SHARED BELIEFS IN PRINCIPLES, POLICIES & PROGRAMMES. And under not so normal circumstances they can AGREE TO COOPERATE BASED ON THEIR OPINION(S) ON THE POLITICAL PROCESS; for instance on ISSUES LIKE THE PRESIDENTIAL TERM LIMITS, VOTER REGISTRATION EXECISE, COMPOSITION, MANDATE & AUTONOMY OF THE ELECTORAL OVERSIGHT BODY LIKE THE I.E.C WE HAVE IN THE GAMBIA. Apart from this SHARED OPPOSITION TO PRESIDENT JAMMEH'S STYLE OF RULE & IN-ADEQUASIES IN THE DEMOCRATIC DISPENSATION IN THE GAMBIA. WHAT POLICIES DO THE VARIOUS OPPOSITION PARTIES SHARED OR ON WHAT ISSUES DO THEY DIFFER? This question to my mind Mr. Salllah are/has become somehow irrelevant in your proposal, because what you are proposing is not a coalition of political parties but an alliance of individuals? Can you dis-suade me from this assertion"
Mr. Halifa Sallah "He he he he Thank you very much. Well the fact that if you read all your on-line papers at the moment, the opposition parties are considered to be literally dead. And some people are infact calling on the Arm forces in this country to salvage the country. Thats an opinion there!
To continue later!
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