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Nyarikangbanna
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 Posted - 02 May 2010 : 18:22:11
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Originally posted by Janko
Kay
You seem to be seeing Nyarikangbanna all over the place.
He seems to be catching with you on your tracts, but be assured he has nothing to do with the forwarding of this link.
You are right Janko. Kay sees me as a some sort of a threat and i don't know why. He should be assured that I am not a threat to anybody but only ever determine to fight off any silly ideology or fanaticism that professes to hold us all to ransom.
I better stop here because a very healthy debate is now emerging on this topic and I rather not jeopardise it.
Kind regards
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I do not oppose unity but I oppose dumb union. |
Edited by - Nyarikangbanna on 02 May 2010 18:42:05 |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 03 May 2010 : 08:52:30
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All this anti-Halifa, anti-NADD, anti-Agenda 2011 rap is nothing but a UDP propaganda. They don't want any genuine coaltion, all they want is essentially a 'one party system' where all parties rally behind UDP. It is not going to happen! If UDP wants a genuine "Party-led Coalition", it has to be negotiated. Leadership is negotiated, not handed on a silver platter.
Others are talking about ideology blah blah. What ideology is Halifa talking about, can you guys be specific? All he talked about in the interview are the essence of democracy, not ideology per se.
Yet some are still blaming Halifa and PDOIS and their ideology for "all talk but no action". This is laughable. What has the UDP done other than just talk and run into the Senegalese embassy? Atleast Halifa, Sedia and Sam have all bravely gone to jail and have helped in the transition program, and continue to be major opinion leaders in understanding of national trends, policies and politics.
The lack of action in the Gambia is not Halifa's fault. The man is the single most active person in the Gambia's political scene in bringing all the divergent political forces to bring about change. If anyone feels that you have something to offer, please bring your concrete suggestion, instead of vague resistance and denials like "it is not practical", "all talk not action", "it is boring", etc, etc.
The lack of action in the Gambia is a result of the general Gambian inertia (resistance to movement or change). They will always say, "it is not workable", "its is socialism/communism", "it is not practicable" or something like that, yet they never have any solutions to offer and what they have always had never worked either.
Gambia will never change for the better unless you start listening to your leaders. Leaders like Halifa and co who are not greedy or power-hungry, instead of self-perpetuating and dynasty-seeking leaders in UDP... |
Edited by - kayjatta on 03 May 2010 08:54:24 |
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Santanfara
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Posted - 03 May 2010 : 11:50:28
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Kay
As DBaldeh said, there is no need for quarelling over our politics any more. The proof of the pudding is in the eating. We at the UDP will be doing things that Gambians understand. The core of the voter apathy is fear and lack of ineterest. Political parties must do the talking and visiting people.
And finally, are you saing Darboe never went to mile two? Are you saying Femi Peters is not in jail? Are you saying Kanyiba Kanyi is not still missing for over two years, are you saying Sinygle Nyassi, Rambo Jatta were not jailed, beaten and oppressed for months?
Kay to be frank, I am no more interested in the back and forth argument over PDOIS and UDP. However, no opposition politician or there members suffer more than the UDP. We have the highest level of support, and due to that, our leadership and its member suffer more than others.
Support Halifa,sell his message, all i can do is wish you good luck. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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Santanfara
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Posted - 03 May 2010 : 11:56:31
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Originally posted by dbaldeh
You cannot continue to play the same old game and expect different results. With all my respect for Halifa and their political ideologies, I disagree with the way they are taking things.
We have heard the same thing over and over every election cycle and we get nothing but the same results.
Agenda 2011 while perfect in a democratic society it is not going to work in the Gambia. Yes, you can go around the country and sensitize electorates to select their own leader, but at the end of the day someone has to lead these people to come to that conclusion. The same successful conclusion the opposition is not able to reach.
They have to answer the question, HOW?
When PDOIS says the people will be empowered to select their own leaders How?
When UDP says Jammeh is going to lose the 2011 elections. How?
What are they doing different.
With all due respect I like Mai Fatty's approach even though I can't verify if he is a legally registered political party without living in the country. He would not respond to an invitation to an interview.
Diplomatic pressure works and it should be the alternative to unwinnable elections.
Tell me something new....
Demba
I believe that all long time members here know of your support for PDOIS. But for some to attack you base on your independent judgement, that is a serious set back. telling the facts about our parties doesn't mean we abandon them, it mean we should also have a voice, if that means going against what some of our opposition leaders are doing, so be it. We are not after creating a man idea system of society. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
www.suntoumana.blogspot.com |
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Janko
Gambia
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Posted - 03 May 2010 : 12:03:03
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THE GAMBIA ECHOOnline NEWspaper
Editorial
Brief Overview: Yahya Jammeh’s Removal, Ousainou Darboe and Halifa SallahBy Mathew K. Jallow, Associate Editor" Editorial
Brief Overview:
Yahya Jammeh’s Removal, Ousainou Darboe and Halifa Sallah
By Mathew K. Jallow, Associate Editor
"...Mr. Ousainou Darboe and Omar Jallow on a ticket to contest elections as representative of the opposition. In the same vein, Halifa Sallah ought to put aside his grand theories and never-ending philosophical postulations such as Agenda 2011, get into campaign mode, and join Ousainaou and O.J. on the road. We need to deal with real problems and challenges, and not distracted by empty rhetoric. Our over-riding responsibility is to dislodge Jammeh from State House. Rivisionist historians will worry later whether Gambia was colonized 100, 300, or a thousand years; as if it will have any relevance in our people's struggle to eke out a living from our bankrupted economy. ..." |
Clean your house before pointing a finger ... Never be moved by delirious Well-wishers in their ecstasy |
Edited by - Janko on 03 May 2010 15:08:36 |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 03 May 2010 : 12:45:22
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Originally posted by Santanfara
Kay
As DBaldeh said, there is no need for quarelling over our politics any more. The proof of the pudding is in the eating. We at the UDP will be doing things that Gambians understand. The core of the voter apathy is fear and lack of ineterest. Political parties must do the talking and visiting people.
And finally, are you saing Darboe never went to mile two? Are you saying Femi Peters is not in jail? Are you saying Kanyiba Kanyi is not still missing for over two years, are you saying Sinygle Nyassi, Rambo Jatta were not jailed, beaten and oppressed for months?
Kay to be frank, I am no more interested in the back and forth argument over PDOIS and UDP. However, no opposition politician or there members suffer more than the UDP. We have the highest level of support, and due to that, our leadership and its member suffer more than others.
Support Halifa,sell his message, all i can do is wish you good luck.
I have not recalled a single time that Darboe went to jail. It has always been someone else. Shingle Nyassi, Waa Juwara, Femi Peters, Kanyiba kanyi. Maybe you can remind me.
Let's go back to uncharted waters of the AFPRC time, before even politics was allowed, when everyone PPP, NCP, GPP, GDP and all the PPs before UDP was born. It was no one other than PDOIS (Halifa, Sam and Sedia) who stood against the AFPRC and their draconian decrees during the pre-transition program and the transition program. It was PDOIS who single-handedly rammed the referandum to constitutional rule down the throat of the AFPRC by mobilising and shaping national opinion. Without PDOIS and the courageous efforts of people like Halifa, Sam and Sedia, there will perhaps be no UDP to talk about in the first place. I do not know when UDP suffered more than any other party, after being formed on a silver platter, after PDOIS tamed AFPRC and leveled the political playing field...
Furthermore, if UDP prides itself for being the largest opposition party, so large that it does not see the need to negotiate with others; then the failure of the opposition in the Gambia should be largely blamed on them not PDOIS or NADD.
Even PDOIS carries a negligible share of the electoral votes, the PDOIS team is the opinion leader in Gambian socio-politics. This is largely because UDP and the other so-called biggest parties (32% to 37% of the electorate is only a marginal party), and the numbers are falling each year)are totally devoid of ideas and momentum. "Agenda 2011", for example is not entirely a PDOIS interest, but its is its brainchild. It is a comprehensive strategy for a way forward for the opposition in the Gambia. Let others bring their ideas to the table instead of just sitting back and grumbling and trying to force everyone to support UDP unconditionally...
If the leaders in other parties do not want to think painstakingly and bring out their ideas instead of annual birthday celebrations in front of cameras, PDOIS will do the thinking for them, and they can sit back and snub and grumble about ideology and what not. PDOIS has told you from the beginning that they are not in this just for votes by hook or crook like others do. They are here to lay the foundation for decent, principled politics by educating and setting examples. There is no point removing Jammeh and electing a UDP dynasty. I would rather join my friend Moe and vote for APRC
NOTE: Kayjatta is not speaking for PDOIS, NADD or any of their individual leaders or members. Anything and everthing he said here is his own personal opinion and representation. |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 03 May 2010 : 12:53:46
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Originally posted by Janko
THE GAMBIA ECHOOnline NEWspaper
... "...Mr. Ousainou Darboe and Omar Jallow on a ticket to contest elections as representative of the opposition. In the same vein, Halifa Sallah ought to put aside his grand theories and never-ending philosophical postulations such as Agenda 2011, get into campaign mode, and join Ousainaou and O.J. on the road. We need to deal with real problems and challenges, and not distracted by empty rhetoric. Our over-riding responsibility is to dislodge Jammeh from State House. Rivisionist historians will worry later whether Gambia was colonized 100, 300, or a thousand years; as if it will have any relevance in our people's struggle to eke out a living from our bankrupted economy. ..."
Janko do not be fooled by these UDP propagandists. Jammeh Tyranny = UDP dynasty. Mathew baldeh cannot choose a leader for Gambians. Leacdership is transacted not by bethrothal. |
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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
1382 Posts |
Posted - 03 May 2010 : 14:17:06
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Originally posted by kayjatta
All this anti-Halifa, anti-NADD, anti-Agenda 2011 rap is nothing but a UDP propaganda. They don't want any genuine coaltion, all they want is essentially a 'one party system' where all parties rally behind UDP. It is not going to happen! If UDP wants a genuine "Party-led Coalition", it has to be negotiated. Leadership is negotiated, not handed on a silver platter.
Others are talking about ideology blah blah. What ideology is Halifa talking about, can you guys be specific? All he talked about in the interview are the essence of democracy, not ideology per se.
Yet some are still blaming Halifa and PDOIS and their ideology for "all talk but no action". This is laughable. What has the UDP done other than just talk and run into the Senegalese embassy? Atleast Halifa, Sedia and Sam have all bravely gone to jail and have helped in the transition program, and continue to be major opinion leaders in understanding of national trends, policies and politics.
The lack of action in the Gambia is not Halifa's fault. The man is the single most active person in the Gambia's political scene in bringing all the divergent political forces to bring about change. If anyone feels that you have something to offer, please bring your concrete suggestion, instead of vague resistance and denials like "it is not practical", "all talk not action", "it is boring", etc, etc.
The lack of action in the Gambia is a result of the general Gambian inertia (resistance to movement or change). They will always say, "it is not workable", "its is socialism/communism", "it is not practicable" or something like that, yet they never have any solutions to offer and what they have always had never worked either.
Gambia will never change for the better unless you start listening to your leaders. Leaders like Halifa and co who are not greedy or power-hungry, instead of self-perpetuating and dynasty-seeking leaders in UDP...
Kay,
UDP is not calling for any coalition with PDOIS. It is the STGDP which is trying to forge a coalition of all opposition parties. The UDP told them what their position is and it is now up to STGDP to workout an approach towards realising that goal but going by the Ayatollah's recent interview, it looks like the shutters have come down on that prospect. Anyway, that is a matter for the STGDP but can I tell you one thing; The United Democratic Party will never engage a fringe and lightweight infested party like PDOIS in any talks whatsoever. You can say whatever you want since that's all you can do;talk, talk, talk. I am combining talk and action through the formidable UDP-UK.
Kind regards
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I do not oppose unity but I oppose dumb union. |
Edited by - Nyarikangbanna on 03 May 2010 14:52:09 |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 03 May 2010 : 14:47:32
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 okay tell us what you have done or achieved. As far as we know, and as far as we can see, UDP has only registered failure upon failure. Do you want me list them here? It is a disastrous record, I will warn you... |
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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
1382 Posts |
Posted - 03 May 2010 : 14:50:21
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That is not a matter for you but for UDP general membership. I think you are better of listing PDOIS's 25yrs tremendous failures. That will definitely intrigue the readership here.
Kind regards |
I do not oppose unity but I oppose dumb union. |
Edited by - Nyarikangbanna on 03 May 2010 14:55:57 |
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kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 03 May 2010 : 22:37:28
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| Okay, got your point... |
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Moe
USA
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Posted - 03 May 2010 : 23:01:46
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Eh !! "nah Kebba canna Borr" at tay boo taae la" Yeah, yeah, yeah ,he is kicking your butt Kay ,whats your comeback......................................Peacequote:
Originally posted by kayjatta
Okay, got your point...
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I am Jebel Musa better yet rock of Gibraltar,either or,still a stronghold and a Pillar commanding direction
The GPU wants Me Hunted Down for what I don't know ..... |
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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
1382 Posts |
Posted - 04 May 2010 : 00:33:55
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Originally posted by kayjatta
Okay, got your point...
Good. The fact that you said you cannot recall any single time when Lawyer Darboe was arrested and detained also shows that you are detached and out of touch with the realities on the ground. Due to your past postings, I had been wondering whether you actually know anything about Gambia's second republic era politics, and your statement about Darboe above tells me you don't. I suppose that is the problem with fanaticism; it insulates you from the reality and blinds you from the other side of the coin.
It is a disgrace that you have reduced a healthy debate on this topic to silly pettiness.
Kind regards
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I do not oppose unity but I oppose dumb union. |
Edited by - Nyarikangbanna on 04 May 2010 01:16:38 |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 04 May 2010 : 00:54:46
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Getting a little hot here politicos  ....let's see if the flames are fanned enough to have a great conflagration  (OK not cool !) |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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kayjatta
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Posted - 04 May 2010 : 05:43:40
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Originally posted by Moe
Eh !! "nah Kebba canna Borr" at tay boo taae la" Yeah, yeah, yeah ,he is kicking your butt Kay ,whats your comeback......................................Peacequote:
Originally posted by kayjatta
Okay, got your point...
Oh yeah, UDP always kick butt, Moe. Remember the last presidential election? They kicked butt there too. With 32% (or something like that), they won the elections
Actually what I meant by "okay I got your point" was that Nyari. did not want me to list UDP's strings of failures...
But I hope that they stop attacking Mr. Sallah for no reason and focus on their problems or at least acknowledge his efforts. He is even trying to secure Femi peters' release... |
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