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kaanibaa
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 Posted - 25 Apr 2010 : 21:19:32
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| Thanks Moe , you again made some maths for me which just made my head reel ; yeah , imagine goods costing 1000 USD on arrival at a port in Banjul to become goods valued at 2000 USD then to 2500 USD in the shop , these figures jumped at me and made me dizzy. You see you telling me that the costs that you added accrued from the handling and other related matters so they make these figures good or sound economically. I as a layman simply see extortion shouting or howling at me simple ! How the figures can double and add half more to its original as per your "costimation" beats me bro and makes me boil up to extreme highs , with you going on like this who needs cocaine or heroin eh? On the other hand I simply read you telling us that the Government tax regime is somewhat complicit in driving up the said costs and thus give credence to Shaka's position me thinks.Get some more soom soom and come back again bruver ! |
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kobo
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Moe
USA
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Posted - 25 Apr 2010 : 22:03:12
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I think you were already drunk prior to runing your mouth "Sulaaar Bi". Ask anyone who imported even a bicycle into the Gambia . Of course you have no clue as the lay man u are . Thats why am here to help you out, everything I said is verifiable and you can ask around, am pretty sure you know of someone who does business , Shaka is doing the talking, you are just a "talibe baye faal or niass" ,let him dispute or reject my numbers ,after all atleast he agrees and disagrees and is not a blind man.Okay lets try this one more time and if you tell me otherwise ,seriously we just might have some serious problems ,no joke . So lets say You as a business decided that you were gonna send $20,000 worth of goods to Gambia , A 40 foot container is $5000 dollars, transportation,labour to load the containers lets assume is worth $1000-$2000 dollars and this includes time spent on acquring the said products, customs fees upon arrival in banjul is about $2000-$4000, transportation and labour to your warehouses is about $300 dollars dollars ,how much do you think your products are worth? and how much do you think the retailers can sell it for at a profitable rate to cover their over head costs assuming each product was worth $1.00? Look don't get me started again Kaaniba I hate calling you names .....................................................Peace quote:
Originally posted by kaanibaa
Thanks Moe , you again made some maths for me which just made my head reel ; yeah , imagine goods costing 1000 USD on arrival at a port in Banjul to become goods valued at 2000 USD then to 2500 USD in the shop , these figures jumped at me and made me dizzy. You see you telling me that the costs that you added accrued from the handling and other related matters so they make these figures good or sound economically. I as a layman simply see extortion shouting or howling at me simple ! How the figures can double and add half more to its original as per your "costimation" beats me bro and makes me boil up to extreme highs , with you going on like this who needs cocaine or heroin eh? On the other hand I simply read you telling us that the Government tax regime is somewhat complicit in driving up the said costs and thus give credence to Shaka's position me thinks.Get some more soom soom and come back again bruver !
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shaka
996 Posts |
Posted - 26 Apr 2010 : 02:05:20
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| Moe put the satala away for a minute and let's deal with the figures properly. You are wrong to say that goods retail for 2 or three times their original wholesale value when they hit the shelves of Banjul shops. They sell for 7 to 10 time the wholesale value instead. Let us take a look at the Nike scenario. Assuming the manufacturer is selling for $30 a pair. They whosaler pays $33 a pair(that is plus 10% VAT or more depending on which state). The wholesaler decides to sell for $60. The Gambian business man will pay the US wholesaler $66(10% VAT included) but will be refunded $3(being the tax paid by the wholesaler to the manufacturer because you cannot be taxed twice unless you are the end user). So the Gambian businessman pays $63 a pair. Let ussume that the cost of transporting to the port of exit, port handling and other costs comes $1.50 a pair and shipping cost is $2 a pair. Upon arrival at Banjul port the cost per pair will be $66.5(that is, wholesale value + logistic and other cost. The cost of bringing the shoes from Banjul port to the businessman' warehouse in Kanifing racks in another $3.50(that is, the cost of duties, port handling, transportation etc) a pair. Up until this point the shoes are valued at $70 a pair. The businessman decides to sell to retailers for $100 a pair. The retailer sell for $120(D3000) a pair. Now the big question is how much does a decent of pair of Nike trainer cost in today's Gambia. We would be talking D7000-D10000. You Know that. That is the reality. The Government does not give a hoot because it prefers 10% of D7000 to 10% of D3000. Therein lies the criminal enterprise. The prices of comodities are not extorbitant in the Gambia for no reason. This clueless criminal government must be booted out for the country to ragain it's sanity. |
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shaka
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Posted - 26 Apr 2010 : 03:01:54
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Originally posted by Moe
You Know I don't Like Everybody Mbye " Sawaye Dull Rekk" , I was baptized by father christmas" Santa clause"........................................peace quote:
Originally posted by shaka
Thanks Kaani. Moe just likes to talk. Everybody Mbye spat in his mouth at the State House grounds last month. What a griot!! Nyaka fulla!!
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Wahumala duul reek but he can also rewrite the history of the Gambia to fit in The Sheikh's baye, mam ak mamatiman through ngewelyaa. The man drives the Sheikh to delirium all the time and everytime he goes home with a brand new car or a plastic carrier bag. Harit waaye harit!! |
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shaka
996 Posts |
Posted - 26 Apr 2010 : 03:18:25
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Originally posted by bread man
Here you go again with your wrong assesment of the subject. But lets be a little objective here, you see in comparison to where in Babilon i live the Gambian Thai rice is 400% cheaper. Because here the 5kg thai rice cost equivallent to 365dalasi. Now you seems to be a good economist as stated earlier, so do the math and see for your self that the Proffessor is trying. You see centuries of colonial destruction and decades of curruption by the first independent govt canīt be fixed in 16yrs. But be rest assured that Jammeh will clean the residue of all that and make us proud to be Gambians.
Ok Breadman you won. But i am still not convince that the Thai Jasmine is sold for that price in the Gambia. I bought the Thai Jasmine from a supermarket in the Gambia for nearly D300 for a 5kg bag not long ago. So your news still a shock to my system. Yeah, yeah, yeah!! '400 years' of colonialism, three decades of useless PPP and nearly half a billion dollars in the red under the AFPRC/APRC, the country is still under-developed. Go figure. |
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Moe
USA
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Posted - 26 Apr 2010 : 06:24:24
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Well hold on a minute ,my plan was just to exonerate the government a bit. This is how it all works shaka. The shippers or importers Bill of Laden determines the value of the products and there is also a standard set.Either way the government has no option but to go by the dictates of the bill of Laden or else they can determine the value which is then inspected and all applicable charges are tagged on to it. The vendors determine the price of their goods and determine what value they are gonna tag on it . We can argue the advantages and disadvantages of price control all week ,but rest assured , The sky rocketing prices on commodities is not caused or created by the government . No matter what, our ports are there to generate revenue , Remember what happened the last time the government tried to regulate the price of meat ," DOMA YE YEP DORR DI NAAW" my beautiful cow is worth such and such, my cow this ,my cow that.
Well just to further butress my point this is what happened recently http://observer.gm/africa/gambia/article/wr-youths-present-farm-produce-to-president-jammeh...........................................Peacequote:
Originally posted by shaka
Moe put the satala away for a minute and let's deal with the figures properly. You are wrong to say that goods retail for 2 or three times their original wholesale value when they hit the shelves of Banjul shops. They sell for 7 to 10 time the wholesale value instead. Let us take a look at the Nike scenario. Assuming the manufacturer is selling for $30 a pair. They whosaler pays $33 a pair(that is plus 10% VAT or more depending on which state). The wholesaler decides to sell for $60. The Gambian business man will pay the US wholesaler $66(10% VAT included) but will be refunded $3(being the tax paid by the wholesaler to the manufacturer because you cannot be taxed twice unless you are the end user). So the Gambian businessman pays $63 a pair. Let ussume that the cost of transporting to the port of exit, port handling and other costs comes $1.50 a pair and shipping cost is $2 a pair. Upon arrival at Banjul port the cost per pair will be $66.5(that is, wholesale value + logistic and other cost. The cost of bringing the shoes from Banjul port to the businessman' warehouse in Kanifing racks in another $3.50(that is, the cost of duties, port handling, transportation etc) a pair. Up until this point the shoes are valued at $70 a pair. The businessman decides to sell to retailers for $100 a pair. The retailer sell for $120(D3000) a pair. Now the big question is how much does a decent of pair of Nike trainer cost in today's Gambia. We would be talking D7000-D10000. You Know that. That is the reality. The Government does not give a hoot because it prefers 10% of D7000 to 10% of D3000. Therein lies the criminal enterprise. The prices of comodities are not extorbitant in the Gambia for no reason. This clueless criminal government must be booted out for the country to ragain it's sanity.
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I am Jebel Musa better yet rock of Gibraltar,either or,still a stronghold and a Pillar commanding direction
The GPU wants Me Hunted Down for what I don't know ..... |
Edited by - Moe on 26 Apr 2010 07:26:17 |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 26 Apr 2010 : 07:49:47
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Originally posted by bread man
Here you go again with your wrong assesment of the subject. But lets be a little objective here, you see in comparison to where in Babilon i live the Gambian Thai rice is 400% cheaper. Because here the 5kg thai rice cost equivallent to 365dalasi. Now you seems to be a good economist as stated earlier, so do the math and see for your self that the Proffessor is trying. You see centuries of colonial destruction and decades of curruption by the first independent govt canīt be fixed in 16yrs. But be rest assured that Jammeh will clean the residue of all that and make us proud to be Gambians.
Let's forget about the comparative monetary value of commodities like rice and others between U.K., U.S. and the Gambia. Let's even forget about differential effect of inflation. Let's consider AFFORDABILITY. What share of the Gambian's income is taken up by the same quantity of the said commodity (rice) as compared to his/her British or American counterpaits?
No matter what the price of rice is, if the average Gambian cannot afford it, then there is a problem. The Sheik's Gambia is not as rossy as Moe and Breadman would like to make it sound... |
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Moe
USA
2326 Posts |
Posted - 26 Apr 2010 : 08:24:30
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| You really need to go back Home Kay from Banjul to Koina everyone has two cell phone so stop the propaganda Kayjatta ,you are talking just for the sake of it. The average Gambian can afford more than a bag of rice , I will agree fish is expensive ,but Gambians are like "Bay + water" the two don't mix, when it comes to the fishing industry. As of present it's untapped yet the price of fish is so high ,makes you wonder huh!trust me on this our natural resources are up for grabs and the Ghanians ain't wasting no time taking ownership ....................................Peace |
I am Jebel Musa better yet rock of Gibraltar,either or,still a stronghold and a Pillar commanding direction
The GPU wants Me Hunted Down for what I don't know ..... |
Edited by - Moe on 26 Apr 2010 08:40:32 |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 26 Apr 2010 : 08:41:01
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Just because you spent five months in the Gambia does not qualify you to tell me to go back home, okay . I told you before that I will return only after DBaldeh returns. By-the-way, did Dalton know that you are back?
Seriously Moe: what is the average salary of a Gambian worker? How much is the bag of rice? What is the ratio? Compare that to his/her U.K. or U.S. counterpart and see what I am talking about. |
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Moe
USA
2326 Posts |
Posted - 26 Apr 2010 : 08:51:11
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God knows am back , I would assume the unknowing seem to be pretending that the Grand marabout is in town. I got all kinds of "Koubay Jarra" and I am a better "Seetal Kat" nowadays. "Barke Sheikh" "Si Alla Jabey Si alla Jabaneh". The average watchmans salary is at 1500-2000 and the average maid is about the same,civil servants salaries have improved over the years if the services can still be rendered ,meaning watchmen and maids
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I am Jebel Musa better yet rock of Gibraltar,either or,still a stronghold and a Pillar commanding direction
The GPU wants Me Hunted Down for what I don't know ..... |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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shaka
996 Posts |
Posted - 27 Apr 2010 : 02:47:15
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I will come back to you later. I am a bit tied up. Your government can never be exonerated. They are partners in crime in the rising cost of prices. By the way, how do the Domas get to fly when the Sheikh has killed them all with posong. quote:
Originally posted by Moe
Well hold on a minute ,my plan was just to exonerate the government a bit. This is how it all works shaka. The shippers or importers Bill of Laden determines the value of the products and there is also a standard set.Either way the government has no option but to go by the dictates of the bill of Laden or else they can determine the value which is then inspected and all applicable charges are tagged on to it. The vendors determine the price of their goods and determine what value they are gonna tag on it . We can argue the advantages and disadvantages of price control all week ,but rest assured , The sky rocketing prices on commodities is not caused or created by the government . No matter what, our ports are there to generate revenue , Remember what happened the last time the government tried to regulate the price of meat ," DOMA YE YEP DORR DI NAAW" my beautiful cow is worth such and such, my cow this ,my cow that.
Well just to further butress my point this is what happened recently http://observer.gm/africa/gambia/article/wr-youths-present-farm-produce-to-president-jammeh...........................................Peace
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 27 Apr 2010 : 19:58:15
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Originally posted by bread man
Mo, say it again, I also just came from the beautiful Gambia 3days ago and the Jammeh critics must be sorry for them selves. Can you imagin one of the best quality rice in the world is (Thai jasmine rice AAA) is availabe in the gambia at affordable prices (20kg@340dalasis) Now the people can eat real rice and not the donkey rice we all grew up in. Jammeh is feeding the people and thats what really counts. I hope bros karamba and co can go and see for them selves.
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Originally posted by Moe
God knows am back , I would assume the unknowing seem to be pretending that the Grand marabout is in town. I got all kinds of "Koubay Jarra" and I am a better "Seetal Kat" nowadays. "Barke Sheikh" "Si Alla Jabey Si alla Jabaneh". The average watchmans salary is at 1500-2000 and the average maid is about the same,civil servants salaries have improved over the years if the services can still be rendered ,meaning watchmen and maids
...................................................Peace
Shaka can deal with price controls, trade & economics but am going to present a simple layman analysis for a typical Gambian family.
Moe I would have spend your watchman/maid salary between D1,500-D2,000
ON A MODEST BUDGET FOR BREAKFAST ONLY (D50/day x 30days)= D1,500 or (D70/day x 30days)= D2,100.
I MAY EVEN NOT EACH THAI JASMINE RICE FOR I CANNOT AFFORD IT
I NEED TO SPEND ANOTHER D300-D500/day FOR AVERAGE GAMBIAN FAMILY LUNCH/DINNER (D300/D500 x 30 days)= D9,000-D15,000.
REMEMBER KILO OF RICE PER DAY IS NOT ENOUGH FOR AVERAGE GAMBIAN FAMILY. LETS GO FOR TWO-THREE KILOS PER DAY = 60-90KGS (2-3 Bags x D340)= D680-D1,020 PER MONTH.
REMEMBER I NEED TO PAY MY UTILITIES BILLS ON DOMESTIC CONSUMPTION; FOR NAWEC ONLY D3,000-D4,500
YOU CAN IMPUTE YOUR TRANSPORT & POCKET MONEY FOR KIDS AND WORK OUT WHETHER DIRECTORS & TOP RANKING OFFICIALS BREAK-EVEN OR BALANCE AND HAVE A CHANGE FOR SAVINGS TO MAINTAIN THEIR LUXURY/FLAMBOUYANT LIFE-STYLES I NEED A DECENT HOUSE THEREFORE BAGS OF CEMENT, FURNITURE, FUEL FOR MY PRIVATE VEHICLE ETC.
YOU ASK YOURSELF HOW ARE THEY LIVING OR AFFORD TO LIVE IF THERE IS RAMPANT FIRING & DETENTION OF BREADWINNERS OF THE FAMILY
WE ARE ALL BORN & BRED FOR THE GAMBIA OUR HOMELAND SO GUYS BE REALISTIC & LET JUSTICE GUIDE OUR ACTIONS! TO THE GAMBIA EVER TRUE
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shaka
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Posted - 28 Apr 2010 : 03:27:06
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| Nice one Kobo. Good figures for Moe to ponder. How the average Gambian is surviving is the biggest miracle of the millenium. |
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