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Kitabul Arerr
Gambia
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 Posted - 17 Mar 2010 : 20:10:58
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Originally posted by Sister Omega
Kitabul and your point is?
Karamba let's be serious if the authorities really wanted to gain access to our identities all they would have to do is to trace our IP addresses. So let's just keep it real guys and stop trippin.
Peace
Sister Omega
How would your colleagues at the NIA, Sis, gain access to my IP address through the Bantaba forum? This's getting scary, but whatever!
Anyway, let's not deviate from the thread topic, which is: Is our President in Drug Dealings?
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turk
USA
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Posted - 17 Mar 2010 : 20:39:37
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To answer your question: Based on the absense of any credible evidence, no.
I have a question for you Kitab. Is it possible Mahmadou is working for NIA? lol. :)
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
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Posted - 17 Mar 2010 : 21:02:30
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Stated by Karamba, quoted by Turk. No qualms, no regrets, the truth stands that:
"Yaya Jammeh remains THE only obstacle to normal life in Gambia"
Without any obligation for an explanantion, here is how Yaya Jammeh remains THE most critical stumbling block to peace and stability in Gambia.
First there was no place for him in Gambian politics. Realising that by taking up guns, he was capable of causing maximum impact of fear and terror, that is exactly what he survives on. We are taken hostage and the bandit still refuses to succumb.
Turk, that lame view about level of sophistication does not hold for Gambia. Yaya Jammeh has infected the entire political environment with deadly virus. Even if 90% of Gambians bag all the educational credentials from the moon, they have no healthy political environment to operate in. The bandit Yaya Jammeh is standing high with deadly weapons.
That is the meaning when it was pointed out that:
" Yaya Jammeh remains THE only obstacle to normal life in Gambia"
Gambians have to use all tools of civil communication and outreach to ensure that people like you Turk and Sister Omega don't get far with this deluded scheme.
Kitabul Arerr, don't take a word of what Sister Omega has on how Yaya agents will reach out on Bantaba. Even if they do, what about that? Sister Omega, stop your scare tactics.
Is our president in drug dealings ? |
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Edited by - Karamba on 18 Mar 2010 00:34:01 |
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shaka
996 Posts |
Posted - 17 Mar 2010 : 23:00:58
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| Turk, you have made some reasonable points. I will get back to you as soon as possible. Never mind the rainy season in July, it is well within the Sheikh's powers to halt the rain for a week. I will pass on your concerns to him. Karamba, Sister O understand your side of the story very well, she is just too consumed by the ALSAMADEH project, like all Jammeh fanatics, so much so that she does not believe that there Gambians capable of doing better than Jammeh. |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 17 Mar 2010 : 23:09:12
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Gambians have to use all tools of civil communication and outreach to ensure that people like you Turk and Sister Omega don't get far with this deluded scheme.
Check the number of the posters here. How many of them like me are non-Gambian. How many of them diaspora. How many Gambians in Gambia has chance to read your points. I ask.
Karamba
You amaze me with your lack of understanding of the discussion here. Let me tell you again. If you fail to recognize the difference between me and sister omega, this discussion is not going to further. Sister support Jammeh. That is her choice. I am on the other hand, as an outsider, do not have any position to support anyone. Take me as a devil advocate and now I am addressing to you.
What I am discussing here that: Gambia is lacking the quantity/quality of opposition and has realities presents obstacles for Gambia. It is unfair to simplify the problem to the current president of Gambia. Also, your allegation has no base as you fail to provide any supporting evidence or opinions. So far, you indicated he possibly be a 'drug dealer' because of your subjective assessment of him. Oh and the blogs based on google search. That is a smear campaign and a dirty politics. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
Edited by - turk on 17 Mar 2010 23:11:44 |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
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Posted - 18 Mar 2010 : 00:32:23
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"Also, your allegation has no base as you fail to provide any supporting evidence or opinions. So far, you indicated he possibly be a 'drug dealer' because of your subjective assessment of him. Oh and the blogs based on google search. That is a smear campaign and a dirty politics."
Turk,
With all your superior scale of understanding, you have failed to meet targets this time round. Turk, it is not a matter of you twisting and turning the message. It is the message that matters. What is the allegation about?
Yaya Jammeh as army lieutenant broke Gambian laws on 22 July 1994. That is no allegation. Even if there was no record of that event, it surely happened. Because a whole country of Gambia is being deceived and induced to accept that violent act, it is no allegation to bring it up many thousand times so that the truh lieutenant Jammeh and his gang strive to bury alive will live on to pursue them.
Dear Turk, that is not my allegation. I am not the creator of that event but simply keeping living account on it. I have no authority to add or subtract, so I would never try that. But, yes of course, the truth about lieutenant Jammeh having staged an unlawful act (coup), that I have no regrets repeating one million times. I am quite aware that it is no news but will not permit anyone to bury the truth about it.
The bit about Yaya Jammeh and drugs. Again, this thread began with a question and the question is not answered satisfactorily. Part of the failure in getting a clear answer is because you Turk decided to swing from branch to branch leaving the stem.
Can't you just answer simple question. If you feel you have no answer for lack of EVIDENCE, there may be someone somewhere better informed than me and you about drug dealings of lieutenant Yaya Jammeh. May be also, someone has good EVIDENCE to show that he (Yaya) is not dealing in drugs directly.
We can only assume.
Where in this world does a question amount to smear campaign?
Sincere apologies if anything looks like blending you and good Sister Omega in one grinder. From now on you are detached if that was my fault.
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Edited by - Karamba on 18 Mar 2010 00:40:34 |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 18 Mar 2010 : 00:43:08
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Karamba
I have already answered. He is innocent until he was proven guilty of 'drug dealing'. This is a criminal process. My opposition to the your 'charge' without evidence. It is smear campaign if you are 'charging' someone without evidence in the name of political gain. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 18 Mar 2010 : 03:27:21
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Turk,
Opinion is largely divided on many issues of human experience. While you reserve exclusive rights of personal opinion regarding the affairs of your patron on drug dealing queries, you have no EVIDENCE to prove his INNOCENCE. This person (Yaya Jammeh) is playing with money in ways that ordinary drug dealers will not do. It is up to Yaya providing PROVE OF CLEAN INCOME. Up to this minute, all we see is someone in public office flipping through raw bank notes of hard currencies and he is not paid that much from the very poor country you parade about as populated by down-throdden low educated people.
Worst of it all, Yaya is in control of the entire Gambia with deadly weapons at his disposal.
Where it turns out he is not dealing in drugs, that is not stopping further questions. People may ask if he is dealing in human skulls. What would you say then?
Drug dealing is just not the biggest issue when anyone bothers to account what it means with Yaya Jammeh as leader of Gambian nation.
How he uses the proceeds of his illicit wealth by destroying the nation goes beyond the mark.
If you cannot see or prefer not to see all that is so bad about a political position holder posing this magnitude imbalance, that is up to you.
Yaya Jammeh is subject to questioning and that is exactly why this particular question came up.
Certainly, I am in serious doubt that someone who claims as Yaya does, will sit there playing with dirty money from sources he will not disclose.
Turk, I am addressing Yaya Jammeh and quite confident that he gets all the posts. He is just a coward not to face the nation to explain how much money he floats on in that filthy pool of illicit funds.
Don't bother. There is no way you can stop this enquiry. More people will be asking more questions. For now this is mine:
Is our president in drug dealings?
"Honesty is the best policy" |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 18 Mar 2010 : 03:39:36
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Karamba
It does not work like that. I don't have to have any EVIDENCE to prove his INNOCENCE. Neither the president of Gambia. Based on your illogical logic, I can state this "Karamba is drug dealer" and now you have to prove your innocence.
The answer to your question: There is not concrete evidence other than 'conspriacy theories', 'smear campaign', 'internet blogs', 'google search results' and Karamba's accusations that the president of Gambia involve in drug dealings. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 18 Mar 2010 : 04:16:52
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Turk,
In an ideal world where all the legal systems for determination exist, competent judges have means of establishing those fantastic streams of whatever your higher sense of evidence amounts to.
Being the most logical person and still unable to question why a political position holder of a poor nation is so rich and you will not doubt that speaks a volume.
Well Turk, be happy. I am not seeking to convince you. As already noted earlier, the message is for Yaya Jammeh and possbly he gets to know especially with all the sophisticated tracking gadgets.
One last question:
What happens to legal instruments when they are stolen away?
You sound like Yaya Jammeh. There is a line to link dictatorial and lawless tendencies; especially by occasion of flawed interpretation.
If you cannot recognise a bit of all that is wrong with Yaya in Gambia of today because you lack evidence, that too is new discovery. But, hey this is a wonderful world. |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 18 Mar 2010 : 05:47:03
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Your focus should not be 'smear campaign' and 'dirty politics'. As a citizen, here is what you can do.
1. Go to court, present the evidence. If you don't have confidence in the law system.
2. Became a politician. Election is coming. Win the election.
The above step is not easy. Considering the mass population in the rural area do not have tv, electicity. They don't read newspaper. I hope you are not expecting Mr.Lamin in Basse reads the bantaba here. Most of the CAN'T read newspaper. How are you going to reach them? Even you reach them, are they motivated as you are. Are they aware of the issues? Can you convince them? What language will you speak with them? Will they listen to you if you are a different tribe? What if they have different priorities? Religioun, their tribe, water, electricity, job, healthcare? What if they actually happy with Jammeh? Do you have money for a political campaign? Are you equiped with the political knowledge, skills. Even you are, do you have a team, organization? And most important, Jammeh has legimate support, he has lots of supporters. I know it, because my relatives support him. Look, Karamba, I am more critical than you are when i have debate with them, i play very good devil advocate role. These people are happy with the president of Gambia. To be honest, I think things in Gambia is improving. Have you been to Sierre Leone, Guinnea Bissau, Guinnea, Mali and Liberia? Despite of lack of natural resources, good soil and being so small, Gambia has made a progress when you compare it with the other countries around.
You remind me the Republican People's Pary in Turkey. They are nationalist, secular, left party. Last election campaing, they organize the best political campaign, best politicians. And the during the election, they focus on 'secularism' and the leading political party had islamic roots. Seemed like they had a great momentum when you see them on TV debates, masses on the street. Then the election occured. They got 20 %. The Conservatives got 47 %. So, it was a shock.
One thing election observers were missing. The priorities. At the end of day. While 'secularism' is important for the people, they vote for the party who can provide wealth. Democracy, human rights etc... are secondary to ordinary people. When i see the talk here, most focus you guys have are not necessarily priorities for ordinary gambians. I mean, it explain that most bantaba members are diaspora and they do not have the issues ordinary gambian faces (health care, education, food prices etc), your priority is different than them. To be honest, the bantaba members may have been out of the realities of ordinary gambians. Don't you think.
Me. I have great interests in politics etc. But at the end of day, when i vote, to me, the tax I am going to pay, the childcare services, education and healthcare priority for me. They are more important than how the government will act on palestine-israeli issue.
Here are the next steps.
3. Fix the legal system.
4. Go to court, present the evindence.
No smear campaign. No dirty politics. No coup. No violance. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
Edited by - turk on 18 Mar 2010 06:14:20 |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 18 Mar 2010 : 22:27:23
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From the desk of Turk:
"Your focus should not be 'smear campaign' and 'dirty politics'. As a citizen, here is what you can do.
1. Go to court, present the evidence. If you don't have confidence in the law system.
2. Became a politician. Election is coming. Win the election."
That sounds purely dictatorial Turk. No wonder you stick by the cruel Gambian coup maker.
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 18 Mar 2010 : 22:42:16
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| How am I dictatorial? OK. I propose you a road map, 'law' and 'election' as an alternative and I am dictatorial. What other options do you have? I hope you are not going to say another coup or uprising. I listen to you and your kind more and more, I am more convince that the current president of Gambia has no alternatives. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 18 Mar 2010 : 22:57:49
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FOR ME. YES COUNTER-COUP FOR JAMMEH'S "ACCOUNTABILITY, TRANSPARENCY, ATROCITIES, HIGH-JACK OF DEMOCRACY/THE CONSTITUTION & RAMPANT CORRUPTION"
"Mr Jammeh himself came to power after a bloodless coup in 1994."
UNDER PRESENT CIRCUMSTANCES ANOTHER WELL PLANNED COUNTER-COUP IS THE BEST REMEDY OR THE BEST OPTION TO TOPPLE AND GET RID OF A COUP OPPRESSIVE LEADER LIKE JAMMEH! ENOUGH IS ENOUGH OF LAME POLITICS FOR THE GAMBIA OUR HOMELAND.
SORRY TURK NO CIVILTY IN GAMBIAN POLITICS ELECTIONS ARE JOKE IF OPPOSITION PARTIES ARE DENIED PERMITS, BIASED I.E.C, STATE MEDIA, LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES, INTER ALIA. READ MORE FROM BANTABA GAMBIAN POLITICS TOPIC; Dailynews Editorial: The 2011 General Election Is Around the Corner, Are We Ready? UNDER http://www.gambia.dk/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=8865
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 18 Mar 2010 : 23:04:59
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Turk,
Your thoughts are yours and my thoughts mine. You will break your back soon when you seek to think and act for others. Your judgement is up to you.
All I know is that nothing you think about holds around me. You can paint whatever picture by stretch of your imagination.
These bits about me don't matter. The question is about excess filthy wealth of a president who is not ready to be accountable.
If you believe that Yaya Jammeh is not a drug dealer, that is up to you. |
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