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Karamba
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 14 Mar 2010 : 16:44:46
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Something we all seem missing out will help the perception and fairer judgements. Regarding the issue of disclaimer, that is just a standard practice. Most establishments do that for whatever reasons. Point to take home is that Kobo could not be out of the way by posting the selected sites. Much more, in this day and age, authority and authenticity are matter of whatever it takes.
Question is to ask is, to what extent the information provided goes unfounded. It does not matter where the information is coming from. There are so many unknown matters of public interest. The fact that some facts and events are not written does not amount to their non occurence. It stands very weak to blame bloggers and Google, Kitabul Arerr or Kobo for sourcing.
Will you Sister Omega or your close rank Turk accept or deny the culpability of Yaya Jammeh on what has been brought to our general attention? Let us assume nothing was written, has anything ever happened then? Is Yaya Jammeh clean on the claims of those dealings?
If we are looking for legal arbitration to determine the culpability of Mr Jammeh, Gambia is not the place. It is very much IMPOSSIBLE for laws of Gambia to catch Yaya Jammeh between 1994-2010 and may be beyond. Who knows? Kobo, what is the INDEMNITY CLAUSE in Gambian Constitution about? Please help. |
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shaka
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Posted - 14 Mar 2010 : 17:30:35
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Originally posted by Sister Omega
Also in the interest of enquiry, probity and high profile investigation against the president at least have the backbone to reveal yourself for transparency because hiding behind a pseudnym slinging these accustions is cowardly and warped as the writer of this thread himself.
Take Karamba on the value and substance of his word instead of the face behind the words. The essence of this bantaba was never how ugly or beautiful your face is. As a citizen of the Gambia Karamba has the right to critique Jammeh and his goverment as much as he wants WITHOUT SHOWING HIS FACE. Likewise, the rules of this forum permits him to critique the utterances of every member without doing the 'Bantaba catwalk.' If you don't like that, you might as well scapper to Facebook, where you might be lucky to chat with Danzel Washington, Oprah and Mohammed Ali. |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 14 Mar 2010 : 17:58:52
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Shaka,
Many students in final exams failed Comprehension and Summary bit of the test. What you have just done is best summary for my digest. Take whole 100 over 100 without compromise.
I could not have put it in any simpler for such a magnitude of understanding.
The greatest error of Sister Omega is that bogus laws of Yaya Jammeh apply in all human encounters, especially here in Bantaba. Trust me, if it were not for his lethal and crude nature, I would choose facing Jammeh in Kanilai and tell things to his nice face.
Gambians are not scared of Jammeh neither does he command all the respect he yearns for. It is just that he is dangerously armed to the teeth and so seriously harmful. Yaya Jammeh is not true rep of the Gambian good nature.
I want Yaya to come on Bantaba and reveal his ID. Then and only then I shall consider trading mine for purpose. |
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Edited by - Karamba on 14 Mar 2010 19:33:29 |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 14 Mar 2010 : 21:33:27
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Sister Omega. You did not read properly what I said? "THESE ARE SERIOUS ALLEGATIONS AGAINST HIM IN THE INTERESTS OF ENQUIRY, PROBITY & INVESTIGATIONS"
THE DOTS ARE THERE TO FRAME HIM EASILY IN TRAFFICKING (WHETHER ARMS OR DRUGS) THERE WERE THE CONFLICTS IN SUB-REGION; CASAMANCE, GUINEA BISSAU, SIERRA LEONE, LIBERIA, CHAD, MALI, GHANA, CONNECTIONS WITH CHARLES TAYLOR, STRASSER, GHADAFFI & BABA JOBE AS SPECIAL ENVOY DURING HAY DAYS OF COUP
IN ADDITION TO THE ATROCITIES THAT HAS BEEN COMMITTED, THE FACT OF EXTRAVAGANT LIFESTYLE OR FLAMBOYANT LIFESTYLE EXISTS FOR THE PRESIDENT (JAMMEH'S MILLIONS)
WHERE DID JAMMEH STARTED HIS POLITICS OF "RAMPANT CORRUPTION, ACCOUNTABILITY, TRANSPARENCY, COMMISSIONS OF ENQUIRY (& FORMER PRESIDENT FOUND WITH NOT EVEN A MILLION DALASI OVERALL), AND JAMMEH FROM POOR TO RICHES "
CULTURE OF COUP HAS BEEN PROMOTED BY JAMMEH AND ANY SOLDIER (OR SIR JACKAL) CAN VENTURE TO TAKE OVER REIGNS OF POWER TO CONTAIN JAMMEH'S EXCESSES; IN THE INTERESTS OF NATION & BASED ON ALLEGIANCE TO THE STATE
AM CRITICAL ON NORMS OF ACCOUNTABILTY, TRANSPARENCY & PROBITY IN THE INTERESTS OF THE NATION |
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
2085 Posts |
Posted - 14 Mar 2010 : 22:18:01
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Kobo, Karamba and Shaka repeating these points over and over again on the Bantaba isn't going to change a thing. If none of you guys haven't got the courage to step up to plate and put your sllegiations on record. It's just as effective as dogs barking at the moon who can't change anything!
As for facebook Shaka millions of people globally have signed up on it, and yes it's great to mingle with the stars, don't you think? And as for freedom of speech in today's climate it isn't necessarily as free as we are led to believe because there are Sedition laws and libel laws etc. Each ourvereignty has its own interpretations on what Free Speech and Civil liberties are.
Karamba how can a law be bogus isn't that a contradiction in itself? The law can definitely be an Ass but bogus means that it's not authentic.(And another thing in reference to Jammeh's wealth)I'm yet to see a Pauper remain a pauper once they're in the highest seat of power throughout history, so why should Jammeh be an exception? If the Head of State remains a Pauper then what use is social mobility?
As for your allegations spectulation is one thing, evidence is another, and the truth is the truth. That's why there is a Judiciary to decide on such matters.
Karamba bravado is one thing and courage is quite another besides an Armchair or seatee is much more safe and comfortable, don't you think? So I understand why you won't be heading to Kanilai anytime soon.
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Edited by - Sister Omega on 14 Mar 2010 22:46:09 |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 14 Mar 2010 : 22:39:48
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By demands of most respected Sister Omega:
"Kobo, Karamba and Shaka repeating these points over and over again on the Bantaba isn't going to change a thing. If none of you guys haven't got the courage to step up to plate and put your sllegiations on record it's just as effective as dogs barking at the moon who can't change anything..."
Looking for a brave Gambian who is ready to take the bull by the horn, well, here comes Mai Fatty:
http://thegambiaecho.com/Homepage/tabid/36/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/1841/Default.aspx
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 14 Mar 2010 : 22:56:02
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Yes Sister Omega he got SUCCESS (INCLUDING RICHES & AUTHORITY) BUT APPEAR TO BECAME GREEDY & OBSESSED WITH POWER!
ALSO HE ALWAYS INDICT OR CONTRADICTS HIMSELF BY WORDS & ACTIONS LIKEWISE THIS DRUG SAGA IS ALL ABOUT LOOKING FOR A SCAPEGOAT; " AS HE tends to indict everyone of plotting against him."
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shaka
996 Posts |
Posted - 15 Mar 2010 : 00:02:54
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| You still don't get it, do you Sister O? You can take on Karamba or anybody in this forum on their utterances as much as you want, on the basis of substance and yielded value. Karamba putting his real name or face behind his utterances does not add or decrease the value or substance of his words. The physical fight against Jammeh's tyranny is one thing, while critiquing Jammeh and his government as citizens and believers in democracy is another thing. It does not not take physical presence to effect the latter. It is the exchange of ideas through debates and conversations. That is the whole essence of Bantaba in cyberspace. That is what we do here. We have able and capable leaders doing the the pysical fight against Jammeh's tyranny on the ground and they have our unflinching support. It is just a matter of time before the significant numbers recognise their value and throw their weight behind them. Governments come and go. The APRC tyrannical government is certainly no exception. How is Danzel and Oprah at Facebook by the way? It seems like the 'Bantaba catwalk' does not have the Facebook appeal. Sorry to dissapoint you. |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 15 Mar 2010 : 00:05:18
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Karamba. You are confused. You confuse law and politics. Your reaction to me makes no sense whatsoever.
You declare Jammeh criminal based on your ‘biased perception’ and ‘google search’. And you accepted this as ‘overwhelming’ evidence. From the law perspective, you have no base and your criteria for evidence are plain comedy.
I am no lawyer, I am in but how the hell some blogs and report would be overwhelming evidence and they make the president of Gambia a drug dealer.
Having perception, believe or opinion of the culpability of Yaya jammeh is subjective. It depends on your political position. That is a discussion for politics. And I have never objected you to make this discussion, or make speculation within political discussion. I am acknowledging that you have right to oppose your president within the political base. How ever, what you missing is that you are limited by ethics of politics. No smear campaign. No dirty politics. If you have any link to his criminal activity, there is a judiciary process, you can start the process.
If you think the legal process is useless in Gambia, than your priority is to work on the legal process in Gambia.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
2085 Posts |
Posted - 15 Mar 2010 : 00:37:14
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Shaka the last time I looked on facebook Oprah was doing just fine!
Shaka do you seriously believe what you wrote, times have changed in the 21st Century visuals count for a lot. Just ask an artist to sale music without a DVD, and see where they would reach in the charts.
Now I understand that many people choose to remain annoymous that's fine and of course I'm fully aware about what bantaba is all about and its tendancy to draw out a subjects and go out on tangents etc. Yes, I agree with you that we all have a right to our opinions, and to agree, diagree, agreeing to differ and refraining to comment altogether. Karamba's thread as Turk rightly said is " subjective " to say the least and all of us here are fully aware about his stance on the ARPC government. However at least he could talk about policy rather than personality after all that's what politics is about. On the other hand he wishes to continually assasinate other peoples character but is to afraid to reveal his own face. That in my mind is a mark of a coward full of bravado and no substance.
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 15 Mar 2010 : 00:40:20
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"If you have any link to his criminal activity, there is a judiciary process, you can start the process.
If you think the legal process is useless in Gambia, than your priority is to work on the legal process in Gambia." Turk
Gentleman Turk,
It is now that you have point to cry confusion. Don't you recognise that seizing power by coup is both illegal and politically inapproriate? What kind of justice do you intend to extract from the body plants of POLITICS and LAW especially in Gambia?
What animal concepts are these two disciplines that protrude larger than human?
When a person breaks law by seizing power through coup, that person has destroyed the whole LEGAL and POLITICAL pillars of governance. That person can only survive by doctoring and nursing illegality and crude manner of governance. Yaya Jammeh of Gambia is such a person. Perceived from both legal and political lenses, the same blurred picture emerges.
In short, it does not work in the best interest of Yaya Jammeh to permit clean justice and decent politics. Who are you to preach us about pursuit of blunt Jammeh code of conduct through a legal or political system that do not exist?
I believe it is you who choose to confuse the audience and you cheaply prefer to throw that in my court. No, no Turk you miss it.
Sister Omega, Yaya Jammeh is the one inviting all that you challenge about. Simple as anything, he has the whole world to stop clinging on that power pole. It is one big insult in this day and age that one person counts him or herself as THe most and only suitable for a given public role. That is wrong in my SUBJECTIVE VALUE JUDGEMENT, if you want me to admit being subjective. Yaya Jammeh is so subjective that it takes a subjective concoction of values in treating him.
For example, what is the OBJECTIVE rationale for having Yaya stay as Gambian president for 15 or more years?
Answer: ....because there is no better Gambian for the post. Gambians deserve this (Turk)
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
2085 Posts |
Posted - 15 Mar 2010 : 00:56:48
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The UK, USA, Russia, China and France to name five countries off of the top of my head were all became the modern states that they are today because of coups. Now just imagine how the world as we know it today would be like, if their coups hadn't happened?
As for the Judicial system we are fully aware that it isn't up to scratch and that detainees are languishing in jail. That is the failure of the legal system in Gambia and why are these Civil Servants prolonging these cases? When time after the President has sent directives for them to speed them up Karamba. Stop pretending that the opposition are passive forces you and I both know they aren't. Now, Karamba again why is it that? Whenever there have been any positive developments happening on the ground in Gambia, you've overlooked them. But you'll keep on continuing with this onesided monologue campaign.It reminds me of the 49 years US campaign when they decided to bombard Cuba with propaganda, after the Cuban's defeated the US at the Bay of Pigs, which no Cuban could ever receive because the Cuban government had blocked them anyway. Until Obama had the sense to stop it because it was a waste of US Taxpayers moneyand his recognition of Cuban Souvereignty,
http://www.statehouse.gm/swearing-5-high-court-judges-judicial-service-comm_080310.htm
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Edited by - Sister Omega on 15 Mar 2010 01:10:53 |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 15 Mar 2010 : 01:10:02
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Karamba
I am convinced our debate is not going anywhere. Let us agree on disagreement. However.
There is a roadmap for you if you want to change things in Gambia within the political framework. There is an election coming and win the election. The process is clear. You need to win the election. Than change the legal process. It may be a long shot, but there is no other way. Deal with the reality. I understand your frustration but the changes must be done within political framework exist in Gambia. I hope you are not suggesting another coup or uprising which would be the worse thing for Gambia.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
2085 Posts |
Posted - 15 Mar 2010 : 01:16:05
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Turk these guys keep on inciting coups and they hide under the guess of anomymity whilst those who follow them pay the price of being prosecuted. Each time there's been an attempted coup in Gambia these guy's in cyberspace have been actively encouraging it, and when they occur they're the first ones to deny inciting it.
I concur with Turk Karamba go for the Presidency and convince the Gambian people that you are the best guy for the job. In fact the more the merrier after all there are many potential leaders in the country both men and women, young and old. What say you isn't that what democracy is all about? Now start your electioning you've got a year to do it in. Good Luck
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Edited by - Sister Omega on 15 Mar 2010 01:23:05 |
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shaka
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Posted - 15 Mar 2010 : 01:45:45
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| Sister O, i know the grande bubu the Sheikh gave you is beautiful, so stop showing off, ok. I am not interested in catwalks, i reserve my interest to beautiful minds. My take on cyberspace is that it is an ghost that remains incomparable to the sales of DVDs and what not. It is just a myriad of thoughts, images, sounds and colours cast in a vacuum. A web of fantasy and dreams that deceives reality. What you see, hear or are led to believe are not always what they seem to be. The sweet, innocent and beautiful faces portrayed have never been what they appear to be, while the catchy phrases, slogans and entrancing thoughts could be the figment of imagination of sociopaths and psychopaths. The illusions of cyberspace is not lost on me, therefore i am not delirious about image or colour in cyberspace. I just sieve through substance for what adds value to my life and to mankind. Facebook is beautiful, don't get me wrong, but it will never sway me to delirium like it seems to entrap so many innocent beings. Never take cyberspace too seriously. |
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